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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 14, 2024 16:41:00 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. Was it the "price" or the "conditions" that could not be agreed?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 16:41:49 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. you missed the sarcasm there I think if the next chairman youre hope for is going to take us to the places you dream about then , I see nothing but a red flag if he cant come up with what amounts to a fraction of what it would take to get there once he's in charge I think the saying is SHOW ME THE MONEY
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Jan 14, 2024 16:42:04 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. What if the figure was met and the bid still not accepted?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 16:54:21 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. What if the figure was met and the bid still not accepted? then I wouldn't believe it, would you ? especially if they never went public about it like anyone would have done, it would have got nearly all the fans on their side, caused an outrage, demos, banners, you name it, not from me, I dont really care, im just following the story and enjoying it if anything remotely like this has ever happened I would take it with a pinch of salt, a bit like P'boro offering £1M for Vela ? Norburn ? cant remember which, ie a deal with strings that are unlikely to happen
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Post by shrewswolf on Jan 14, 2024 17:06:27 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. you missed the sarcasm there I think if the next chairman youre hope for is going to take us to the places you dream about then , I see nothing but a red flag if he cant come up with what amounts to a fraction of what it would take to get there once he's in charge I think the saying is SHOW ME THE MONEY I’m not dreaming of anything other than a budget that can sustain a more entertaining version of lower third League One & an owner who uses expertise to sustainability increase our budget via other means. If Roland could do both of those things, I’d be happy to continue. I’m not even Roland Out. I just think the club needs a fresh look before we really suffer with disinterest & begin a painful drop. I also worry what happens to us if he passes before he sells. It’s horrible but it’s a concern. I also begin to question, after all of this time and all of the rumours you hear, that not a single person interested has been owt but a rogue. I don’t believe that. So then I wonder, how has he not sold up?
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 14, 2024 18:32:06 GMT 1
How dare those interested in buying us negotiate Roland’s price. How bloody dare they. They should just accept his valuation as completely fair and accurate? I think the fact they haven’t immediately met the demanded figure probably rules out most of the dodgy ‘super rich’ types. What if the figure was met and the bid still not accepted? It was met, they just didn't want RW sticking around which he wants to unfortunately so it fell through.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 14, 2024 18:41:50 GMT 1
What if the figure was met and the bid still not accepted? It was met, they just didn't want RW sticking around In what kind of role?
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 14, 2024 18:58:47 GMT 1
But they either aren’t interested, are wanting the club on the cheap or refusing to negotiate. They’ve been wasting our time got 10 years, what makes you think they’re going to buy now? You didn’t include Harris this time, I though he was the go between? BTW Tony Bywayers 82, just what we need another doddery octogenarian 😂 What's with this another doddery octogenarian? Our octogenarian might be in his eighties, but he can out run most of our players You right it was wrong of me it should have been in inverted commas as irony as that’s the current criticism from many Neither of them are doddery I apologise 😞
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 14, 2024 18:59:02 GMT 1
It was met, they just didn't want RW sticking around In what kind of role? Why would you want him around in any role? He's an odious individual who embarrasses us and falls out with everyone.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 14, 2024 19:15:19 GMT 1
Why would you want him around in any role? He's an odious individual who embarrasses us and falls out with everyone. Well, that's nailed your colours to the mast, passionate about Shrewsbury Town I'd say, that probably upsets some sometimes.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Jan 14, 2024 19:23:27 GMT 1
Why would you want him around in any role? He's an odious individual who embarrasses us and falls out with everyone. You've misunderstand my question. What capacity was he hoping to stay on as, even if he sold the club? Hence why any suggested take over has not happened.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 14, 2024 20:48:58 GMT 1
Why would you want him around in any role? He's an odious individual who embarrasses us and falls out with everyone. You've misunderstand my question. What capacity was he hoping to stay on as, even if he sold the club? Hence why any suggested take over has not happened.
Press/Public Relations Officer?
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 22:10:00 GMT 1
Why would you want him around in any role? He's an odious individual who embarrasses us and falls out with everyone. could you give some examples to back up your daily abuse aimed at our chairman ?
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Post by servernaside on Jan 14, 2024 23:02:15 GMT 1
I’m not sure why this thread has once again morphed into a ‘Roland Out’ or ‘New Management Structure Out’ I’m as frustrated as anyone at the on-field performances, but responsibility for these lay firmly at the door of head coach Matt Taylor. All coaches have to deal with injuries and possibly not having the ‘right players’ available, but for heavens sake change things around on the pitch. Perhaps play some out of their regular positions, perhaps use a less defensive formation. What is there to lose? An abysmal 17 goals scored in the league this season is a dreadful indictment of a coach not learning from previous mistakes and relentlessly and stubbornly employing the same failed formula week after week and presumably praying for some kind of miracle.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 14, 2024 23:11:57 GMT 1
I’m not sure why this thread has once again morphed into a ‘Roland Out’ or ‘New Management Structure Out’ its because we lost yesterday same few people turn up to say they've had enough and wont be going again / renewing, call various members of the club by abusive names, start a new or find their old threads to bump up, slag of those still in support of the club, and tell us how they know things but cant say as they are so top secret even the club dont know ( all whilst the players are still leaving the pitch )
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Post by suttonshrew on Jan 14, 2024 23:28:27 GMT 1
Contrary of the rumours suggesting otherwise, the buck stops at the man who trains the players, chooses the team and applies the tactics and that’s Matt Taylor.
Moore should get a chance to stamp his authority on the clubs footballing ethos and that will take a while. What he needs is a head coach/manager who will give him that time.
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Post by southshropblue on Jan 15, 2024 8:44:13 GMT 1
I like MT as a human being but certainly he and Mr Bignot must bear some responsibility for what is at the very least a disappointing season so far, but it is surely also true that the chairman chose MM and MM chose MT and recruited the players I am not sure he can be absolved of responsibility completely can he?
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Post by horse01 on Jan 15, 2024 9:48:00 GMT 1
Roland has NO real desire to sell the club. He has had his opportunity to sell the club for the benefit of its future and has failed to do so. The pressure from the fans should be on Roland not the management. A change at the very top is what is needed and would make a massive difference for the future in a positive manner you've been listening to too many rumours the guy is desperate to sell the club, but he certainly isn't going to sell it to someone who clearly cant afford it, or was just messing him around, or it that what you want ? a new guy who has to haggle about the asking price for years ? To be fair, Derek Passant can more than afford the club. In a recent article he was listed as the 89th in the Rich List of Midlands business owners, with a personal fortune of reportedly £121m, which I would suggest trumps the current incumbent? And I would suggest looking at Salop Leisure’s growth over recent times, Tony Bywater would be in a better financial position than RW - as he has hardly grown Salop since the ground move. My only concern with that is that Mr Bywater is now 82 years old - the same age as the current incumbent.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 15, 2024 10:09:56 GMT 1
Perhaps play some out of their regular positions, perhaps use a less defensive formation. What is there to lose? An abysmal 17 goals scored in the league this season is a dreadful indictment of a coach not learning from previous mistakes and relentlessly and stubbornly employing the same failed formula week after week and presumably praying for some kind of miracle. What is there to lose? His job? I just wonder whether he will just carry on as is in the hope that we scrape together enough points to stay clear of the bottom four because as daft as it might sound, he's concerned that if he does change things it could get worse still and he just can't afford to take that risk. I hope you get what I mean, I wonder if the time when he could have changed things may have passed already. As with one win in six there is just too much pressure on him at the moment to do so, as a change may result in worse and he just doesn't have the room for manoeuvre for that (as in, it may result in more and more fans questioning his position). Just musing over things anyhow. Could be wrong, hope I am and he tries something a little more attacking. And it might well change depending on the transfer window of course. And of course, with all this said I don't think we know whether its all on Taylor to change things anyhow.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 15, 2024 10:10:50 GMT 1
I’m not sure why this thread has once again morphed into a ‘Roland Out’ or ‘New Management Structure Out’ A few reasons really but ultimately it's because we are on a downward spiral having lost 6 out of the last 7 games, add in the overall pathetic goalscoring record and lack of incomings to resolve the current issues, it's no wonder people will question the direction of the club. Now some will blame Taylor (and plenty are) whilst some will blame Moore (again plenty are) but others are questioning Roland and again there are multiple reasons for this. The first is we are club plodding along and seemingly going nowhere under him so people will naturally ask is he the right person to be taking this club forward . The second is it was his decision to create this new structure so when things aren't successful, he will naturally take flack for it.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 15, 2024 10:14:40 GMT 1
Contrary of the rumours suggesting otherwise, the buck stops at the man who trains the players, chooses the team and applies the tactics and that’s Matt Taylor.
Moore should get a chance to stamp his authority on the clubs footballing ethos and that will take a while. What he needs is a head coach/manager who will give him that time. And if the recruitment of players capable of competing fails?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 15, 2024 10:19:19 GMT 1
Going back to the game on Saturday, I can't find it again (really need to bookmark posts!) but someone posted a short clip of the goal on Twitter and again it just highlighted so many basic failings. It actually stemmed from our throw in, in their half. There was some aimless hoofs forward, poor control, lack of midfield to pick up a loose ball and then a defence easily carved open.
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Post by ssshrew on Jan 15, 2024 10:20:03 GMT 1
President Truman had a no-nonsense approach to decision making. The sign, “The Buck Stops Here” on his desk reflected his belief that he was ultimately responsible for the actions of his administration.
The definition of the buck stops here as quoted.
That’s why people are questioning the people higher up the food chain that the coach.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 15, 2024 10:27:54 GMT 1
President Truman had a no-nonsense approach to decision making. The sign, “The Buck Stops Here” on his desk reflected his belief that he was ultimately responsible for the actions of his administration. The definition of the buck stops here as quoted. That’s why people are questioning the people higher up the food chain that the coach. Got a funny feeling we’re being conditioned to start at the bottom rather than higher up.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 15, 2024 10:29:34 GMT 1
Going back to the game on Saturday, I can't find it again (really need to bookmark posts!) but someone posted a short clip of the goal on Twitter and again it just highlighted so many basic failings. It actually stemmed from our throw in, in their half. There was some aimless hoofs forward, poor control, lack of midfield to pick up a loose ball and then a defence easily carved open. The guy that scored their goal has 19 goals this season (20 now?). That's the difference. Two middling sides, but one has a goal poacher.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 15, 2024 10:41:45 GMT 1
Going back to the game on Saturday, I can't find it again (really need to bookmark posts!) but someone posted a short clip of the goal on Twitter and again it just highlighted so many basic failings. It actually stemmed from our throw in, in their half. There was some aimless hoofs forward, poor control, lack of midfield to pick up a loose ball and then a defence easily carved open. The guy that scored their goal has 19 goals this season (20 now?). That's the difference. Two middling sides, but one has a goal poacher. Don't disagree although I'd also point out the pass to him. If that was us, it would either be aimlessly hoofed it forwards or controlled and then passed sideways/backwards.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 15, 2024 10:46:26 GMT 1
you've been listening to too many rumours the guy is desperate to sell the club, but he certainly isn't going to sell it to someone who clearly cant afford it, or was just messing him around, or it that what you want ? a new guy who has to haggle about the asking price for years ? To be fair, Derek Passant can more than afford the club. In a recent article he was listed as the 89th in the Rich List of Midlands business owners, with a personal fortune of reportedly £121m, which I would suggest trumps the current incumbent? And I would suggest looking at Salop Leisure’s growth over recent times, Tony Bywater would be in a better financial position than RW - as he has hardly grown Salop since the ground move. My only concern with that is that Mr Bywater is now 82 years old - the same age as the current incumbent. as I've mentioned , I'd love to have a poke around the club and find the ins and outs , all the secrets , facts and figures , trouble Is I can't afford the non refundable deposit though to do just that , some people can , even if they have no intention of buying the club , happens to a lot of clubs, big ones , small ones , giants Very rarely ends in a sale , all is does is wind the fans up
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Post by Minormorris64 on Jan 15, 2024 11:00:06 GMT 1
You've misunderstand my question. What capacity was he hoping to stay on as, even if he sold the club? Hence why any suggested take over has not happened.
Press/Public Relations Officer? With a plentiful supply of coffee & biscuits
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Post by mattmw on Jan 15, 2024 12:07:32 GMT 1
you've been listening to too many rumours the guy is desperate to sell the club, but he certainly isn't going to sell it to someone who clearly cant afford it, or was just messing him around, or it that what you want ? a new guy who has to haggle about the asking price for years ? To be fair, Derek Passant can more than afford the club. In a recent article he was listed as the 89th in the Rich List of Midlands business owners, with a personal fortune of reportedly £121m, which I would suggest trumps the current incumbent? And I would suggest looking at Salop Leisure’s growth over recent times, Tony Bywater would be in a better financial position than RW - as he has hardly grown Salop since the ground move. My only concern with that is that Mr Bywater is now 82 years old - the same age as the current incumbent. I think its always wise to treat what are in effect paper valuations of a person or business worth, against what they actually have in hard cash. With both Passant and Bywater a lot of their net worth is actually tied up in business assets, investment or land values, which are often linked to companys rather than personal wealth. Its only really when businessmen like these sell up their business and cash in the value that they have cash availble to do other things with. Such businessmen are likely to be older in age and perhaps not looking to get a more relaxed retirement than putting their cash into a league club which at any level is likely to hoover up their retriement pot pretty quickly Similarly with the value of STFC the value listed in the accounts is not really what the club is "worth" to an investor, as again a lot is tied up in assets such as the ground which themselves are tied into a series of planning and financial restrictions which mean they can't be sold on at a profit. Which in many ways its good as any new owner can't come in and asset strip the clubs assets as has happened in some other clubs, but equally means that the pool of potential investors is pretty limited as there isn't massive scope for either quick profits, or significant on pitch/league improvement. My suspicion is that the combination of the restrictions on the assets STFC (Chairman) owns, and the relatively small pool of people with the willingness and resources too take on the asset is pretty limited. The one tricky area I remain uncertain of, an its very delicate to discuss, what what should happen to the assets the Chairman owns if he passes away before any sale is made. Where do the assets go to and what continuity arrangements are in place for that unfortunatle possibility.
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Post by martinshrew on Jan 15, 2024 12:21:46 GMT 1
To be fair, Derek Passant can more than afford the club. In a recent article he was listed as the 89th in the Rich List of Midlands business owners, with a personal fortune of reportedly £121m, which I would suggest trumps the current incumbent? And I would suggest looking at Salop Leisure’s growth over recent times, Tony Bywater would be in a better financial position than RW - as he has hardly grown Salop since the ground move. My only concern with that is that Mr Bywater is now 82 years old - the same age as the current incumbent. The one tricky area I remain uncertain of, an its very delicate to discuss, what what should happen to the assets the Chairman owns if he passes away before any sale is made. Where do the assets go to and what continuity arrangements are in place for that unfortunate possibility. I think it's in the interests of the fanbase and the community that this issue be clarified by the club immediately. If there isn't solid protections for the ground, the training ground and any land associated with the club then I'm afraid it's very obvious the chairman doesn't have the best interests of the club at heart.
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