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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 12:37:23 GMT 1
I have been following this discussion with interest, but fail to understand why asserting that we were bad last season justifies being bad this season. If think you are getting the wrong end of the argument we are in a better position and place in the table than we were after 24 games last season not sure anyone was saying it was bad last season at this point so why is it this season ? We have many injuries some of which are coming back to fitness , we've already signed a new player and hopefully can swap 2 or 3 in January
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Post by zenfootball2 on Dec 27, 2023 12:39:47 GMT 1
IMO nothing more than a solid league one manager (not something we can say we have at the moment), but doing an excellent job. First 11 games, 0 goals, 1 point Last 11 games, 15 goals, 18 points. One relegation spot we may have assumed they’d already had wrapped up is now up for grabs. All credit to him he has turned things around and if that form continues they will be a midtable finish, in sharp contrast we show no sign of improvement I know we have the injuries but we have a team who can't even do the basics right.it is tedious and frustrating to watch town. I dread to think what Wrexham will do to us.
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Post by mrcricket on Dec 27, 2023 13:19:45 GMT 1
I think a lot of the emphasis on the front line was on the (now) injured Phillips, wasn't there also talk of James Collins coming back from Derby? Can't help feeling the contract extensions/ new management didn't help with things either. I'm glad Bowman got an extension, him and Udoh are proven but the current midfield doesn't work. The most creative is Shipley who is doing a job on the left. Bennett and Winchester will work all day but they rarely create. A lot is resting on Young Taylor Perry as well. I agree that Bayliss coming back would be a big boost plus the new guy from Ireland. Struggling to replace Luke Leahy's goals and creativity also. I heard mention of us missing Leahy's creativity on Saturday. To me such talk only highlights how low our expectations are. We miss him certainly, but I never saw Leahy as a creative influence. He was an inspirational leader and full of energy but creative? Not in my book. Similarly I think Shipley's too hit and miss to be relied upon for creativity. We have the creativity of Bayliss and then we have ..... precious little. Maybe its confidence that Leahy brought to the midfield, a good set piece taker (the best since Whalley) but yes I get your point about not being particularly creative. Still a hard man to replace. Steve C found a diamond there.
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Post by Mr Magoo on Dec 27, 2023 13:48:54 GMT 1
Taylor's comment about the 3 strikers. From the very start Taylor knew that Dan was coming back from a season long injury, so there was always going to be a question mark about whether or not Dan would still be the player of old. Likewise, he also had Phillips, who again was recovering from injury and was having to be kept in cotton wool at the request of his parent club. Max Mata, it was always going to be a big step up for him, he's not yet shown that he's up to this league. That just leaves Ryan Bowman. Did Taylor have any say in the summer player recruitment? If so, then the striker situation is of his making. dont forget we still have Obrien , probably on more than mata and Udoh put together, and we are having to pay for him to play for someone else, and to think we'd had to endure 3 years of several fans slagging off pyke who was probably our lowest paid player in the squad, and still giving 100% and pulling us out of the s**t time and time again shame he's not here this season Pyke? ? 😂😂😂😂 Not sure what you’ve been drinking but the Pyke I watched scored 3 league goals in 65 games 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 27, 2023 13:51:57 GMT 1
dont forget we still have Obrien , probably on more than mata and Udoh put together, and we are having to pay for him to play for someone else, and to think we'd had to endure 3 years of several fans slagging off pyke who was probably our lowest paid player in the squad, and still giving 100% and pulling us out of the s**t time and time again shame he's not here this season Pyke? ? 😂😂😂😂 Not sure what you’ve been drinking but the Pyke I watched scored 3 league goals in 65 games 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Pyke was fecking awful until his last season, when he became a useful yet unspectacular handyman because we had so many injuries last season - Cotterill managed and advised him incredibly well
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 27, 2023 14:04:04 GMT 1
I have been following this discussion with interest, but fail to understand why asserting that we were bad last season justifies being bad this season. If think you are getting the wrong end of the argument we are in a better position and place in the table than we were after 24 games last season not sure anyone was saying it was bad last season at this point so why is it this season ? We have many injuries some of which are coming back to fitness , we've already signed a new player and hopefully can swap 2 or 3 in January But you said nobody did anything in January ? Anyway no problem I do hope we can get some good signings we certainly need them!
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Post by socrates1974 on Dec 27, 2023 14:21:15 GMT 1
I have been following this discussion with interest, but fail to understand why asserting that we were bad last season justifies being bad this season. If think you are getting the wrong end of the argument we are in a better position and place in the table than we were after 24 games last season not sure anyone was saying it was bad last season at this point so why is it this season ? We have many injuries some of which are coming back to fitness , we've already signed a new player and hopefully can swap 2 or 3 in January After 24 games this season we have 27 points and a goal difference of -20 After 24 games last season we had 29 points and a goal difference of -6 I'm fully confident we'll win 6 in a row in January and early Feb like we did last season.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 14:23:38 GMT 1
Pyke? ? 😂😂😂😂 Not sure what you’ve been drinking but the Pyke I watched scored 3 league goals in 65 games 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Pyke was fecking awful until his last season, when he became a useful yet unspectacular handyman because we had so many injuries last season - Cotterill managed and advised him incredibly well he was terrible the first season , especially missing it due to injury He spent season 2 on the naughty step and getting paid to play elsewhere And season 3 bailing out the manager and his 10 other squad players Maybe we can get him back in January 👍 Wow signing 🙄
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Dec 27, 2023 14:33:27 GMT 1
If think you are getting the wrong end of the argument we are in a better position and place in the table than we were after 24 games last season not sure anyone was saying it was bad last season at this point so why is it this season ? We have many injuries some of which are coming back to fitness , we've already signed a new player and hopefully can swap 2 or 3 in January After 24 games this season we have 27 points and a goal difference of -20 After 24 games last season we had 29 points and a goal difference of -6 I'm fully confident we'll win 6 in a row in January and early Feb like we did last season. We may have won 6 in a row. But did bugger all after.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 27, 2023 15:15:45 GMT 1
After 24 games this season we have 27 points and a goal difference of -20 After 24 games last season we had 29 points and a goal difference of -6 I'm fully confident we'll win 6 in a row in January and early Feb like we did last season. We may have won 6 in a row. But did bugger all after. True but those 6 meant were weren’t looking over our shoulders in April but it looks like we could well be this time. As the saying gores, I wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with that lot yesterday.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 27, 2023 15:18:50 GMT 1
We may have won 6 in a row. But did bugger all after. True but those 6 meant were weren’t looking over our shoulders in April but it looks like we could well be this time. As the saying gores, I wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with that lot yesterday. Cotterill would have given them an almighty rollicking after that and I would have done likewise. I guess that would have made me a bully , like SAF and Mr Clough Snr.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 27, 2023 15:23:39 GMT 1
After 24 games this season we have 27 points and a goal difference of -20 After 24 games last season we had 29 points and a goal difference of -6 I'm fully confident we'll win 6 in a row in January and early Feb like we did last season. We may have won 6 in a row. But did bugger all after. we didn't get a lot of points after that but we were safe so lets win the next 6 and I think folk would reassess but right now we don't look great
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Post by wakemanender on Dec 27, 2023 16:49:47 GMT 1
Thankfully this season there are more clubs in our division who dont look great.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 17:13:55 GMT 1
True but those 6 meant were weren’t looking over our shoulders in April but it looks like we could well be this time. As the saying gores, I wouldn’t want to be in the trenches with that lot yesterday. Cotterill would have given them an almighty rollicking after that and I would have done likewise. I guess that would have made me a bully , like SAF and Mr Clough Snr. only after he moaned about the ref, injuries, bad luck , budget and picked on Stuart dunne for asking a question ;-) by the way, bullying is a thing of the past, Workplace bullying and harassment Bullying and harassment is behaviour that makes someone feel intimidated or offended. Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010. Examples of bullying or harassing behaviour include: spreading malicious rumours unfair treatment picking on or regularly undermining someone denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities not sure if fergie would last long today if he was just starting out and Clough got sacked at derby, and lasted 43 days at Leeds for being a bully in the 1970s
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 27, 2023 18:09:39 GMT 1
Cotterill would have given them an almighty rollicking after that and I would have done likewise. I guess that would have made me a bully , like SAF and Mr Clough Snr. only after he moaned about the ref, injuries, bad luck , budget and picked on Stuart dunne for asking a question ;-) by the way, bullying is a thing of the past, Workplace bullying and harassment Bullying and harassment is behaviour that makes someone feel intimidated or offended. Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010. Examples of bullying or harassing behaviour include: spreading malicious rumours unfair treatment picking on or regularly undermining someone denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities not sure if fergie would last long today if he was just starting out and Clough got sacked at derby, and lasted 43 days at Leeds for being a bully in the 1970s To me it looks like SC and many of those in his ilk would NOT be guilty on those examples: spreading malicious rumours - Wouldn't be doing that, just shouting a few home truths right into their faces, not behind their backs unfair treatment - Not if they deserved it. picking on or regularly undermining someone - the whole team would get a rollocking. apart from "lovely boy" Street and "great lad" Leahy. denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities - Nope, far from it, it would be extra training!
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Post by wookeywombat on Dec 27, 2023 18:24:10 GMT 1
Cotterill would have given them an almighty rollicking after that and I would have done likewise. I guess that would have made me a bully , like SAF and Mr Clough Snr. only after he moaned about the ref, injuries, bad luck , budget and picked on Stuart dunne for asking a question ;-) by the way, bullying is a thing of the past, Workplace bullying and harassment Bullying and harassment is behaviour that makes someone feel intimidated or offended. Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010. Examples of bullying or harassing behaviour include: spreading malicious rumours unfair treatment picking on or regularly undermining someone denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities not sure if fergie would last long today if he was just starting out and Clough got sacked at derby, and lasted 43 days at Leeds for being a bully in the 1970s Clough was sacked at neither Derby or Leeds for bullying. Check your facts. Fell out with the chairman at Derby and the players wanted him reinstated. The players at Leeds were too up Revie's backside to adapt to Clough and as it turns out more fool them.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 27, 2023 19:27:44 GMT 1
I’m trying to imagine Clough bullying Bremner, Giles, Jack Charlton or Hunter.
A clash of egos that Clough lost.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 19:30:39 GMT 1
only after he moaned about the ref, injuries, bad luck , budget and picked on Stuart dunne for asking a question ;-) by the way, bullying is a thing of the past, Workplace bullying and harassment Bullying and harassment is behaviour that makes someone feel intimidated or offended. Harassment is unlawful under the Equality Act 2010. Examples of bullying or harassing behaviour include: spreading malicious rumours unfair treatment picking on or regularly undermining someone denying someone’s training or promotion opportunities not sure if fergie would last long today if he was just starting out and Clough got sacked at derby, and lasted 43 days at Leeds for being a bully in the 1970s Clough was sacked at neither Derby or Leeds for bullying. Check your facts. Fell out with the chairman at Derby and the players wanted him reinstated. The players at Leeds were too up Revie's backside to adapt to Clough and as it turns out more fool them. that was my opinion if im still allowed one ?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 27, 2023 19:33:02 GMT 1
It’s a real shame that some people can’t acknowledge what an absolute terrible performance and result yesterday was without harking back to past history. No amount of issues or problems inherited this season justify such a terrible and concerning match.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 19:49:26 GMT 1
It’s a real shame that some people can’t acknowledge what an absolute terrible performance and result yesterday was without harking back to past history. No amount of issues or problems inherited this season justify such a terrible and concerning match. which people and posts are you on about ? I presume the one that brought Clough into the debate ?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Dec 27, 2023 21:18:30 GMT 1
Thankfully this season there are more clubs in our division who dont look great. Think its very similar to last season tbh. Nearly half the division back then were rubbish, our 6 wins meant we could coast through the last dozen or so games with no real relegation worries. Last season there were probably more decent teams at the top end who than this season, maybe a few more have dropped down to mediocrity (Wycombe for one). I'd certainly be happy when we pick up another 3 wins, wont be fully safe but will be a lot closer to it.
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 27, 2023 21:32:15 GMT 1
It’s a real shame that some people can’t acknowledge what an absolute terrible performance and result yesterday was without harking back to past history. No amount of issues or problems inherited this season justify such a terrible and concerning match. I've given up tonight, you're wasting your time. I'll just pretend from tomorrow I'm utterly thrilled about everything Salop related, it's easier than having an opinion.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 27, 2023 21:40:59 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 28, 2023 12:03:10 GMT 1
I get the point of view that its the first season with this new setup, its the first season for the DOF and its the first season for the coach and so its too early to judge; we need to just get through this season as best as we can and we have to see if there is some improvement next season. And if we are looking OK to stay up this season then I would guess that is where the majority are.
But I don't get the argument that this is acceptable because it compares well or on a par with what we have seen of late. Its poor football and if what we are seeing now continues over to next season then I wouldn't understand why we would look to continue with the same setup. And it is poor at the minute, its awful. I've watched a shed load of Town this season and even when we have managed to get a result, for the most part, we have never looked convincing.
The question is however, what happens if we do start to drop down the table. And that is something that could well happen when you look to the football we're current capable of. Although saying that, I expect us to pluck something out of nothing in the next couple of games as that does seem to be the pattern so hopefully a win against either Burton or Fleetwood is on the cards. But if that doesn't come about going into that Cup game...😬
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Post by lancsman on Dec 28, 2023 13:40:51 GMT 1
I fi nd it hard to stomach the flack that the players are getting for the performance on Saturday. The players try and play how the coach tells them to play. When tactics don’t work then there is only one person to blame. The fecking coach!!!!!! Get real everyone.
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Post by jamo on Dec 28, 2023 13:54:39 GMT 1
I fi nd it hard to stomach the flack that the players are getting for the performance on Saturday. The players try and play how the coach tells them to play. When tactics don’t work then there is only one person to blame. The fecking coach!!!!!! Get real everyone. It’s one thing to ask people to get real. It’s another to put forward such a simplistic rationale for requesting they do so.
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 28, 2023 14:16:20 GMT 1
I fi nd it hard to stomach the flack that the players are getting for the performance on Saturday. The players try and play how the coach tells them to play. When tactics don’t work then there is only one person to blame. The fecking coach!!!!!! Get real everyone. Listen to MT's latest post-match...he blames his players sayin they all had roles and they didnt do them roles. All I can think is...you only have one role too Mr Taylor...I could argue you are not doing yours...
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Post by lancsman on Dec 28, 2023 14:22:20 GMT 1
Thank you , thank you. The cause of our problem. You cannot sit deep and be on the front foot to be tight and on second balls. Anybody got a solution on the pitch.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 28, 2023 14:31:52 GMT 1
Apparently he just needs to shout at them and all will be well
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 28, 2023 14:40:04 GMT 1
Apparently he just needs to shout at them and all will be well Or some friendly bullying? 🤣
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