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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 26, 2023 20:39:05 GMT 1
Not sure what I was after when I just watched the post match interview with MT but it has left me evening more annoyed then before. For those who didn't see it we are unlucky on injuries, we only had to deal with 2 set pieces better otherwise we defended well oh and it was the players fault for performing badly and making errors which led to the goals. Oh and when asked about our p**s poor goals tally for the season he said he will try to sort it in Jan but we are not there yet so he ONLY HAS 3 STRIKERS AVAILABLE!!! No mention of our p**s poor ball retention, build up play, decision making, passing, shooting or lack of creativity. The worrying thing for me is that by disregarding them clear issues that we had today it implies that he is content with them. Udoh has also jarred his knee so is a doubt for Friday alongside Perry who has a big gash on his shin. Merry fekin Christmas! Time for a drink
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 26, 2023 20:43:59 GMT 1
I thought the playing budget was the same as previous seasons? So financial reset or not, it seems a non-starter for that to be the excuse. Add to that the fact you’ve still got many of last years ‘overspend’ players still here and 3 of them playing today - Dunkley, Shipley and Winchester (presumably re-signed on a meagre wage) - and I don’t think you can excuse how poor that was today and how poor it always is. £26 + travel, absolutely thrilled the lads gave us a performance offering the tiniest amount of hope and excitement. Luckily though, we can put this down as an exception to the rule…. Oh no, wait. We can’t. It’s always boring. Not just this season, not just Taylor. Just always boring and somehow, somehow most games this season are the worst of the lot. I’m totally sick of it. I’d even go as far as saying it’s quite sad, to be honest. There is so little enjoyment in it that the league position feels almost irrelevant. And I moaned the same about this last year under Cotterill and years before that under Ricketts before anyone says. However this goal total (and the fact it’s a totally accurate return and not at all bad luck) means this is as pointless as I can remember it to be a match going fan. Hey ho. Here’s to the next win we manage to get by boring us to death on route. That’s what it’s all about and we should all clap along. COYB. Hard to argue with your point, our performances need to improve. Times are tough, why will people continue to waste money on boring football. In regards to the playing budget comment it was stated by MM that the playing budget was the same as last season to reassure fans that everything was ok however last seasons budget was not enough to build a big enough squad and everything has gone up since that time (I wish my weekly food shop was the price it was a year ago! I assume players wages have also gone up)
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 26, 2023 20:44:19 GMT 1
Not sure what I was after when I just watched the post match interview with MT but it has left me evening more annoyed then before. For those who didn't see it we are unlucky on injuries, we only had to deal with 2 set pieces better otherwise we defended well oh and it was the players fault for performing badly and making errors which led to the goals. Oh and when asked about our p**s poor goals tally for the season he said he will try to sort it in Jan but we are not there yet so he ONLY HAS 3 STRIKERS AVAILABLE!!! No mention of our p**s poor ball retention, build up play, decision making, passing, shooting or lack of creativity. The worrying thing for me is that by disregarding them clear issues that we had today it implies that he is content with them. Udoh has also jarred his knee so is a doubt for Friday alongside Perry who has a big gash on his shin. Merry fekin Christmas! Time for a drink Matt Taylor frequently gives me the impression he watched a completely different game. Even he’s struggling to keep finding excuses and reasons now though.
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 26, 2023 20:48:33 GMT 1
Not sure what I was after when I just watched the post match interview with MT but it has left me evening more annoyed then before. For those who didn't see it we are unlucky on injuries, we only had to deal with 2 set pieces better otherwise we defended well oh and it was the players fault for performing badly and making errors which led to the goals. Oh and when asked about our p**s poor goals tally for the season he said he will try to sort it in Jan but we are not there yet so he ONLY HAS 3 STRIKERS AVAILABLE!!! No mention of our p**s poor ball retention, build up play, decision making, passing, shooting or lack of creativity. The worrying thing for me is that by disregarding them clear issues that we had today it implies that he is content with them. Udoh has also jarred his knee so is a doubt for Friday alongside Perry who has a big gash on his shin. Merry fekin Christmas! Time for a drink Matt Taylor frequently gives me the impression he watched a completely different game. Even he’s struggling to keep finding excuses and reasons now though. I am torn between whether he is being very astute and trying to play down our issues to calm the nerves of the fans/those above or he generally believes that was a good performance other than 2 mistakes at set pieces. I really hope it is the former and if so I hope he is a lot more forceful with the players because that was embarrassing.
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Post by DiglisShrew on Dec 26, 2023 20:51:54 GMT 1
Not sure what I was after when I just watched the post match interview with MT but it has left me evening more annoyed then before. For those who didn't see it we are unlucky on injuries, we only had to deal with 2 set pieces better otherwise we defended well oh and it was the players fault for performing badly and making errors which led to the goals. Oh and when asked about our p**s poor goals tally for the season he said he will try to sort it in Jan but we are not there yet so he ONLY HAS 3 STRIKERS AVAILABLE!!! No mention of our p**s poor ball retention, build up play, decision making, passing, shooting or lack of creativity. The worrying thing for me is that by disregarding them clear issues that we had today it implies that he is content with them. Udoh has also jarred his knee so is a doubt for Friday alongside Perry who has a big gash on his shin. Merry fekin Christmas! Time for a drink Matt Taylor frequently gives me the impression he watched a completely different game. Even he’s struggling to keep finding excuses and reasons now though. Excellent media training I assume 🤔🙄
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Post by kenwood on Dec 26, 2023 20:54:32 GMT 1
Let’s be honest , Matt Taylor is well aware of our faults , where we are lacking but he isn’t going to come out and say so is he without rubbishing his players . Jesus, it’s bloody common sense isn’t it . No doubt he knows only too well that we don’t retain possession well enough and so on. I hope that he and MM will do the business in January and we will see a change in our pattern of the play as a result . No need to panic and start calling for heads to roll .
A very Happy New Year to all . 👍
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 26, 2023 20:55:29 GMT 1
IMO nothing more than a solid league one manager (not something we can say we have at the moment), but doing an excellent job.
First 11 games, 0 goals, 1 point Last 11 games, 15 goals, 18 points.
One relegation spot we may have assumed they’d already had wrapped up is now up for grabs.
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Post by Exkeeper on Dec 26, 2023 21:00:40 GMT 1
We have a number of injuries and so squad players who are not first choice have to play. Fine but these players are professional footballers who are paid a good wage for playing the game. We should therefore expect them to be able the make a basic pass, control the ball quickly when receiving it and avoid aimless punts to no-one in particular. We should expect someone at the back (usually the keeper), to organise the defence when defending set-pieces. We also need to question why loan players from a supposedly higher level can look so out of their depth in L1? If the manager loses his job whilst following orders as to what formation to play, if would be grossly unfair when said formation is nowhere close to being effective. BIG changes are needed urgently ….again.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 26, 2023 21:02:38 GMT 1
Taylor's comment about the 3 strikers.
From the very start Taylor knew that Dan was coming back from a season long injury, so there was always going to be a question mark about whether or not Dan would still be the player of old.
Likewise, he also had Phillips, who again was recovering from injury and was having to be kept in cotton wool at the request of his parent club.
Max Mata, it was always going to be a big step up for him, he's not yet shown that he's up to this league.
That just leaves Ryan Bowman.
Did Taylor have any say in the summer player recruitment? If so, then the striker situation is of his making.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 26, 2023 21:06:16 GMT 1
We have a number of injuries and so squad players who are not first choice have to play. Fine but these players are professional footballers who are paid a good wage for playing the game. Hard to say for certain, but in my opinion the only ‘squad players’ that are featuring at the moment are Anderson and Pierre who would be benched by Flanagan and Sraha, and Bennett who would likely be benched by Bayliss. I know numbers are stretched which is obviously a huge hinderance but the vast majority of the players in the team are those who’ve played the majority of the games this season, so by now you’d expect some semblance of understanding and cohesiveness.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 21:09:39 GMT 1
Taylor's comment about the 3 strikers. From the very start Taylor knew that Dan was coming back from a season long injury, so there was always going to be a question mark about whether or not Dan would still be the player of old. Likewise, he also had Phillips, who again was recovering from injury and was having to be kept in cotton wool at the request of his parent club. Max Mata, it was always going to be a big step up for him, he's not yet shown that he's up to this league. That just leaves Ryan Bowman. Did Taylor have any say in the summer player recruitment? If so, then the striker situation is of his making. dont forget we still have Obrien , probably on more than mata and Udoh put together, and we are having to pay for him to play for someone else, and to think we'd had to endure 3 years of several fans slagging off pyke who was probably our lowest paid player in the squad, and still giving 100% and pulling us out of the s**t time and time again shame he's not here this season
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 26, 2023 21:12:50 GMT 1
Pyke was on £2,000 a week, far from the lowest earner.
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 26, 2023 21:17:25 GMT 1
And a bit of a stretch to suggest that Pyke “pulled us out of the s**t time and time again” haha.
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 26, 2023 21:20:40 GMT 1
Baffling that people look at this team and think that the centre forwards are the issue. Udoh and Bowman have both proven that they can score goals in League One.
The issue is that we don’t create anything, because we can’t play football and we can’t attack. I’d be surprised if anybody in the league has a lower XG than us. In fact, I’d be surprised if anybody in the entire football league has a lower XG.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Dec 26, 2023 21:23:39 GMT 1
Was O'Brien (and Bloxham, come to think about it) with us when Taylor arrived?
Was it his decision to let them go out on loan?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 26, 2023 21:25:13 GMT 1
Baffling that people look at this team and think that the centre forwards are the issue. Udoh and Bowman have both proven that they can score goals in League One. The issue is that we don’t create anything, because we can’t play football and we can’t attack. I’d be surprised if anybody in the league has a lower XG than us. In fact, I’d be surprised if anybody in the entire football league has a lower XG. Don't normally look for XG, mainly because I don't understand it. But I don't think this is good
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 26, 2023 21:27:38 GMT 1
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 26, 2023 21:33:41 GMT 1
Baffling that people look at this team and think that the centre forwards are the issue. Udoh and Bowman have both proven that they can score goals in League One. The issue is that we don’t create anything, because we can’t play football and we can’t attack. I’d be surprised if anybody in the league has a lower XG than us. In fact, I’d be surprised if anybody in the entire football league has a lower XG. Don't normally look for XG, mainly because I don't understand it. But I don't think this is good Incredible really. We can’t seriously be expecting Bowman/Udoh/Mata to have scored goals over the last eight games with a total team XG of 0.78. Absolutely awful.
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Post by mrcricket on Dec 26, 2023 21:35:12 GMT 1
I think a lot of the emphasis on the front line was on the (now) injured Phillips, wasn't there also talk of James Collins coming back from Derby?
Can't help feeling the contract extensions/ new management didn't help with things either. I'm glad Bowman got an extension, him and Udoh are proven but the current midfield doesn't work. The most creative is Shipley who is doing a job on the left. Bennett and Winchester will work all day but they rarely create. A lot is resting on Young Taylor Perry as well. I agree that Bayliss coming back would be a big boost plus the new guy from Ireland. Struggling to replace Luke Leahy's goals and creativity also.
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 26, 2023 21:48:31 GMT 1
I think a lot of the emphasis on the front line was on the (now) injured Phillips, wasn't there also talk of James Collins coming back from Derby? Can't help feeling the contract extensions/ new management didn't help with things either. I'm glad Bowman got an extension, him and Udoh are proven but the current midfield doesn't work. The most creative is Shipley who is doing a job on the left. Bennett and Winchester will work all day but they rarely create. A lot is resting on Young Taylor Perry as well. I agree that Bayliss coming back would be a big boost plus the new guy from Ireland. Struggling to replace Luke Leahy's goals and creativity also. The midfielders receiving the ball in space or actually passing to each other would probably be a good start. One of the big thing I noticed today is that we do not play simple passes. Everything is either aimlessly hoofed, played quickly under pressure or trying to thread a world class pass through 3 defenders. There was one piece of play today after Benning and Sobwala came on where we shifted it from right to left with 5 quick first touch passes which put Benning in down the wing that resulted in a foul. I firmly believe these players are capable of better football. I don't care what players we have or what system we play, our tactics are anti-football. It is not long ball, it is not tactical it is defend for our lives and hoof it up field and hope the 5% of the time we actually win the hoofed ball we can score from it. I accept that against bigger and better teams but not fellow s**t teams that have been struggling.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 26, 2023 22:05:14 GMT 1
Didn't go today but sounds like it was the same old rubbish. No shots on target against the league's bottom team tells its own story.
We can't defend, even with a 5 man defence, we're atrocious when we have the ball and we can't score goals. Injuries are part of the story but there can be little doubt by now that we're just not much good. We might survive but we're one of the division's weaker teams.
I'm just bored, to be honest. I've stopped using iFollow, rarely listen to any away games and don't want to watch another season of this, if we do stay up. What's the point? I'd rather be in League 2 and have the chance of some entertaining football for once.
I wish to God we'd drop this dreary 3 centre backs crap, get another midfielder in the team and start competing with teams higher up the pitch. Either that or at least get proper wing backs in.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 22:05:58 GMT 1
Taylor's comment about the 3 strikers. From the very start Taylor knew that Dan was coming back from a season long injury, so there was always going to be a question mark about whether or not Dan would still be the player of old. Likewise, he also had Phillips, who again was recovering from injury and was having to be kept in cotton wool at the request of his parent club. Max Mata, it was always going to be a big step up for him, he's not yet shown that he's up to this league. That just leaves Ryan Bowman. Did Taylor have any say in the summer player recruitment? If so, then the striker situation is of his making. dont forget we still have Obrien , probably on more than mata and Udoh put together, and we are having to pay for him to play for someone else, and to think we'd had to endure 3 years of several fans slagging off pyke who was probably our lowest paid player in the squad, and still giving 100% and pulling us out of the s**t time and time again shame he's not here this season Pyke was okay last season (unlike previous one )but I think your exaggerating a touch there
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Post by harboroughshrew on Dec 26, 2023 22:11:29 GMT 1
We may be in a better position than last season at the moment but remember last season we signed Phillips in January and then won six on the trot and effectively gained safety - over to MM/MT in the coming transfer window to do something similar and cheer us all up.
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Post by mrcricket on Dec 26, 2023 22:16:53 GMT 1
I think a lot of the emphasis on the front line was on the (now) injured Phillips, wasn't there also talk of James Collins coming back from Derby? Can't help feeling the contract extensions/ new management didn't help with things either. I'm glad Bowman got an extension, him and Udoh are proven but the current midfield doesn't work. The most creative is Shipley who is doing a job on the left. Bennett and Winchester will work all day but they rarely create. A lot is resting on Young Taylor Perry as well. I agree that Bayliss coming back would be a big boost plus the new guy from Ireland. Struggling to replace Luke Leahy's goals and creativity also. The midfielders receiving the ball in space or actually passing to each other would probably be a good start. One of the big thing I noticed today is that we do not play simple passes. Everything is either aimlessly hoofed, played quickly under pressure or trying to thread a world class pass through 3 defenders. There was one piece of play today after Benning and Sobwala came on where we shifted it from right to left with 5 quick first touch passes which put Benning in down the wing that resulted in a foul. I firmly believe these players are capable of better football. I don't care what players we have or what system we play, our tactics are anti-football. It is not long ball, it is not tactical it is defend for our lives and hoof it up field and hope the 5% of the time we actually win the hoofed ball we can score from it. I accept that against bigger and better teams but not fellow s**t teams that have been struggling. Its playing Message Board Manager but why not try Benning at left wing back and Shipley into the middle, (Wasn't there today, nowhere near Cheltenham or Shropshire) Find it a little strange that Sobwala isn't giving more of a go as well, looks like a guy with a lot of energy.
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Post by venceremos on Dec 26, 2023 22:17:51 GMT 1
I think a lot of the emphasis on the front line was on the (now) injured Phillips, wasn't there also talk of James Collins coming back from Derby? Can't help feeling the contract extensions/ new management didn't help with things either. I'm glad Bowman got an extension, him and Udoh are proven but the current midfield doesn't work. The most creative is Shipley who is doing a job on the left. Bennett and Winchester will work all day but they rarely create. A lot is resting on Young Taylor Perry as well. I agree that Bayliss coming back would be a big boost plus the new guy from Ireland. Struggling to replace Luke Leahy's goals and creativity also. I heard mention of us missing Leahy's creativity on Saturday. To me such talk only highlights how low our expectations are. We miss him certainly, but I never saw Leahy as a creative influence. He was an inspirational leader and full of energy but creative? Not in my book. Similarly I think Shipley's too hit and miss to be relied upon for creativity. We have the creativity of Bayliss and then we have ..... precious little.
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Post by salop27 on Dec 26, 2023 22:18:15 GMT 1
Well, what a s**t show. Maybe Taylor needs to explain to us who's responsible for training the defense and who's responsible for training when it comes to scoring goals as it seems it's the players fault. Good job we had every one of our players in our penalty area for the corner they scored from as well. I'd of hated to see how easily they would have scored if we'd left two strikers up the pitch...
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Post by venceremos on Dec 26, 2023 22:20:23 GMT 1
The midfielders receiving the ball in space or actually passing to each other would probably be a good start. One of the big thing I noticed today is that we do not play simple passes. Everything is either aimlessly hoofed, played quickly under pressure or trying to thread a world class pass through 3 defenders. There was one piece of play today after Benning and Sobwala came on where we shifted it from right to left with 5 quick first touch passes which put Benning in down the wing that resulted in a foul. I firmly believe these players are capable of better football. I don't care what players we have or what system we play, our tactics are anti-football. It is not long ball, it is not tactical it is defend for our lives and hoof it up field and hope the 5% of the time we actually win the hoofed ball we can score from it. I accept that against bigger and better teams but not fellow s**t teams that have been struggling. Its playing Message Board Manager but why not try Benning at left wing back and Shipley into the middle, (Wasn't there today, nowhere near Cheltenham or Shropshire) Find it a little strange that Sobwala isn't giving more of a go as well, looks like a guy with a lot of energy. Taylor brought Benning (a left back) on as right midfield on Saturday, with Bennett (a right midfielder) playing behind him as right wing back. I've wondered for a while why we don't play a left back at left back and a left midfielder in left midfield but then I don't have Taylor's coaching badges .....
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 22:23:30 GMT 1
We may be in a better position than last season at the moment but remember last season we signed Phillips in January and then won six on the trot and effectively gained safety - over to MM/MT in the coming transfer window to do something similar and cheer us all up. followed by 12 points from the last 16 games
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 26, 2023 22:27:35 GMT 1
How many times have I got to say it....5-3-2 doesn't work....look at the league table....and look at the goal difference.....ffs....it's embarrassing 🤦🤦😪😪
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Post by londonshrew75 on Dec 26, 2023 22:30:21 GMT 1
Well after witnessing that today I can't see anything else other than relegation. We we're pitiful. OK they have had a lift (and credit to them) but they were poor. Worryingly we did nothing. The first half we were poor and the second half dreadful. Other than Dunkley I wouldn't be bothered if the lot went in January. There is no togetherness in that team, noticed by quite a few when they came out for the 2nd half in dribs and drabs with not a conversation to be seen. If it wasn't for the Wrexham game I would be ditching the rest of the season, as it's that bad.
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