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Post by stuttgartershrew on Dec 26, 2023 22:41:21 GMT 1
Baffling that people look at this team and think that the centre forwards are the issue. Udoh and Bowman have both proven that they can score goals in League One. The issue is that we don’t create anything, because we can’t play football and we can’t attack. I’d be surprised if anybody in the league has a lower XG than us. In fact, I’d be surprised if anybody in the entire football league has a lower XG. More than the one issue for sure. I mean I used to think that the lack of attacking threat was a result of the focus given to keeping the opposition at bay, which I can kinda live with it if brings about some success. But that seems to have gone for a Burton too. For the most part this season my attention has been on the lack of goals, yet when checking the table this evening our defensive record (when looking to goals conceded) is one of the worst in the league too. Crept up on me a bit that, I thought our record on that front was better than it is. We're struggling in every department at the moment.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 26, 2023 22:44:57 GMT 1
Baffling that people look at this team and think that the centre forwards are the issue. Udoh and Bowman have both proven that they can score goals in League One. The issue is that we don’t create anything, because we can’t play football and we can’t attack. I’d be surprised if anybody in the league has a lower XG than us. In fact, I’d be surprised if anybody in the entire football league has a lower XG. More than the one issue for sure. I mean I used to think that the lack of attacking threat was a result of the focus given to keeping the opposition at bay, which I can kinda live with it if brings about some success. But that seems to have gone for a Burton too. For the most part this season my attention has been on the lack of goals, yet when checking the table this evening our defensive record (when looking to goals conceded) is one of the worst in the league too. Crept up on me a bit that, I thought our record on that front was better than it is. We're struggling in every department at the moment. It’s possible to over-analyse what the more pressing issues are at the moment, when really it’s as simple as this: We’re s**t.
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 26, 2023 23:11:37 GMT 1
You'll be ditching it after the wrexsham fiasco matey......rest assured 👍🤣😂🤣😂
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 26, 2023 23:21:23 GMT 1
I thought the playing budget was the same as previous seasons? So financial reset or not, it seems a non-starter for that to be the excuse. not that blinkered old chestnut When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 23:28:27 GMT 1
not that blinkered old chestnut When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB. I'm too bored to pretend you are being serious
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Post by wookeywombat on Dec 26, 2023 23:49:46 GMT 1
not that blinkered old chestnut When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB. You are entirely correct he did say that the playing budget was the same and what's more it was stated that as soon as the Premier League money was received the club financially would be back on track.
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 26, 2023 23:56:37 GMT 1
When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB. I'm too bored to pretend you are being serious Of course I’m being serious. WTF?
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 23:57:31 GMT 1
When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB. You are entirely correct he did say that the playing budget was the same and what's more it was stated that as soon as the Premier League money was received the club financially would be back on track. Oh cool , everything's all rosy then , plenty of spare cash to pay the wages each month , this seasons budget is exactly the same value as last seasons , 15th in the table , only 2 points behind the holy grail of 12th someone remind me why the same few fans have been having a meltdown every time we lose , well or draw , or even win sometimes 😳😳😳😳😳😳
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Post by servernaside on Dec 27, 2023 1:04:54 GMT 1
I couldn’t be bothered going, just like the previous match against Peterborough. It’s not so much the fact that you expect them to lose, it’s their utter inability to learn from previous mistakes and the complete absence of anything resembling a midfield. Herds of antelope could peacefully graze in the middle of the pitch, completely undisturbed by any Town player. Low flying birds in that area might have more of a problem.
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 27, 2023 4:54:30 GMT 1
There’s no point in even entertaining the apologist(s) anymore
Most of us can now see through what’s happening - the least entertaining team we’ve had in 30+ years, ineffective doesn’t do it justice, we haven’t got a clue.
I warned in September and got shot down by the usual useful idiots, this coach, staff, DOF and chairman will take us down
The next 2 games are massive in our history, I hope enough people care enough unlike the vocal few
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 27, 2023 7:43:49 GMT 1
Mickey Moore said the playing budget was the same as last season. Roland Wycherley said that once the Premier League money was received then our reserves would be back to pre covid levels.
These are not rumours or fans twisting words to suit an agenda, these are direct quotes from them. I don't see why it's controversial when the fans reference them in a debate.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 27, 2023 7:44:14 GMT 1
We are rubbish with the ball and very easy to set up for a game against us.
We desperately lack ball playing midfielders.
Whenever Winchester, Perry or Kenneh receive the ball it’s like a hot potato and only goes backwards.
I think we need 2 CM’s minimum along with 2 strikers and a RWB
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 27, 2023 7:57:09 GMT 1
We are rubbish with the ball and very easy to set up for a game against us. We desperately lack ball playing midfielders. Whenever Winchester, Perry or Kenneh receive the ball it’s like a hot potato and only goes backwards. I think we need 2 CM’s minimum along with 2 strikers and a RWB When you play a 5 in midfield, it's vital to get the balance right, under Hurst it was spot on but sadly we don't now. Our issue with wingbacks us well documented but the middle 3 aren't great either. Kenneh is great at winning the ball but looks a Sunday league player when he has it. Perry has shown glimpses of what he can do but for large parts is anonymous. Winchester has been the real frustration for me, not terrible but not influential enough. Taylor spoke about using him further forward, I can't think of a game where I've seen him in an attacking position. I don't think Mata & Bowman are good enough whilst Udoh looks to have regressed but it's difficult to be too critical considering the lack of creativity and support they get.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Dec 27, 2023 7:59:33 GMT 1
We are rubbish with the ball and very easy to set up for a game against us. We desperately lack ball playing midfielders. Whenever Winchester, Perry or Kenneh receive the ball it’s like a hot potato and only goes backwards. I think we need 2 CM’s minimum along with 2 strikers and a RWB When you play a 5 in midfield, it's vital to get the balance right, under Hurst it was spot on but sadly we don't now. Our issue with wingbacks us well documented but the middle 3 aren't great either. Kenneh is great at winning the ball but looks a Sunday league player when he has it. Perry has shown glimpses of what he can do but for large parts is anonymous. Winchester has been the real frustration for me, not terrible but not influential enough. Taylor spoke about using him further forward, I can't think of a game where I've seen him in an attacking position. I don't think Mata & Bowman are good enough whilst Udoh looks to have regressed but it's difficult to be too critical considering the lack of creativity and support they get. Winchester doesn’t look comfortable playing as an 8, he wants to sit in Kenneh’s role. Winchester has really disappointed me all season to be honest after a few positive showings ar RWB. Perry agreed doesn’t do enough most games and falls into the same category as Bayliss. Both very quiet for large periods of the game and defensively a concern.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 27, 2023 8:21:03 GMT 1
You are entirely correct he did say that the playing budget was the same and what's more it was stated that as soon as the Premier League money was received the club financially would be back on track. Oh cool , everything's all rosy then , plenty of spare cash to pay the wages each month , this seasons budget is exactly the same value as last seasons , 15th in the table , only 2 points behind the holy grail of 12th someone remind me why the same few fans have been having a meltdown every time we lose , well or draw , or even win sometimes 😳😳😳😳😳😳 If you imagine the fan base as a whole (not talking about this board ) is happy with the season so far then you must speak to a completely different set of people than I do
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Post by harboroughshrew on Dec 27, 2023 9:29:00 GMT 1
We may be in a better position than last season at the moment but remember last season we signed Phillips in January and then won six on the trot and effectively gained safety - over to MM/MT in the coming transfer window to do something similar and cheer us all up. followed by 12 points from the last 16 games Fair comment, but adding those two periods together gives 30 points over the last 22 games which, if replicated this season, and added to the 27 we already have would be easily enough to keep us up. My original post was made as a pro-Town fan to illustrate the fact that an inspired loan signing or two in January can turn a season around. MM/MT have been hampered by the circumstances they arrived in as well as by bad luck with injuries but they really need to step up to the plate next month to improve the team and keep us in League 1.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Dec 27, 2023 9:54:35 GMT 1
I'm now dreading the Wrexham game, the thought of 1600 Taffs jeering us is too much to bear. They'll have field day,😭😭😭😭
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 27, 2023 10:48:24 GMT 1
When I posted it, I did doubt myself that it was perhaps online hearsay rather than from the horses mouth but I’m sure Micky Moore said it when he first joined? I will happily remove the start of my post if proven otherwise. However if my memory is correct and he did say it then we’ll have to run with it because we are supposed to believe every word the club tells us after all. I might give a few of his early interviews a watch and find out if I can be bothered but for now I can’t. I am well and truly fed up with Salop for the first time in my life, and I am someone who goes every week without fail. Time to forget about them until Burton and hope/pray some form of entertainment & joy turns up that night. I truly believe this is no longer just a results business. The manner of it matters when it’s been going on this long. I don’t expect it with regularity, just sometimes. To make more of the money spent and time dedicated worth it. COYB. You are entirely correct he did say that the playing budget was the same and what's more it was stated that as soon as the Premier League money was received the club financially would be back on track. At a time when inflation, including wage inflation, was raging, a budget that is the same as previous is a cut. If any Prem money has finally come through then maybe it's going to fund the January window. Best to still project the stoney broke image when entering into negotiation though, we'll see....
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 27, 2023 10:51:20 GMT 1
I forgot inflation hit Shropshire more than the rest of the UK…
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 27, 2023 10:51:58 GMT 1
You are entirely correct he did say that the playing budget was the same and what's more it was stated that as soon as the Premier League money was received the club financially would be back on track. At a time when inflation, including wage inflation, was raging, a budget that is the same as previous is a cut. If any Prem money has finally come through then maybe it's going to fund the January window. Best to still project the stoney broke image when entering into negotiation though, we'll see.... Can we cut the nonsense about inflation and the playing side of football being linked? Football finances have been wild for decades and have never followed inflation. Can you see Dunkley wondering in asking for an inflation pay rise? Or a new striker wanting 7% more because it's linked to inflation? It's nonsense and an excuse someone has invented to try and back the chairman, DOF and head coaches struggles.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 27, 2023 10:55:14 GMT 1
I forgot inflation hit Shropshire more than the rest of the UK… What's your guess at the UK player wage inflation this season to last? Maybe 10%? so a 10% cut in our budget? Even 5% and it would be a sizeable cut in our budget.
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 27, 2023 11:00:15 GMT 1
At a time when inflation, including wage inflation, was raging, a budget that is the same as previous is a cut. If any Prem money has finally come through then maybe it's going to fund the January window. Best to still project the stoney broke image when entering into negotiation though, we'll see.... Can we cut the nonsense about inflation and the playing side of football being linked? Football finances have been wild for decades and have never followed inflation. Can you see Dunkley wondering in asking for an inflation pay rise? Or a new striker wanting 7% more because it's linked to inflation? It's nonsense and an excuse someone has invented to try and back the chairman, DOF and head coaches struggles. Yes, if players felt they could get it they will be asking for far more than inflation. So, we end up signing younger, not yet ready for league 1 players, that fit our budget. Bear in mind that with the same budget last year we didn't even have enough players to put a full bench on the team sheet.
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Post by pughywasfree on Dec 27, 2023 11:02:14 GMT 1
How many times have I got to say it....5-3-2 doesn't work....look at the league table....and look at the goal difference.....ffs....it's embarrassing 🤦🤦😪😪 It does work, many teams across the country use that system effectively. Just not for us.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 11:13:30 GMT 1
Can we cut the nonsense about inflation and the playing side of football being linked? Football finances have been wild for decades and have never followed inflation. Can you see Dunkley wondering in asking for an inflation pay rise? Or a new striker wanting 7% more because it's linked to inflation? It's nonsense and an excuse someone has invented to try and back the chairman, DOF and head coaches struggles. Yes, if players felt they could get it they will be asking for far more than inflation. So, we end up signing younger, not yet ready for league 1 players, that fit our budget. Bear in mind that with the same budget last year we didn't even have enough players to put a full bench on the team sheet. exactly , and we have a keeper who by Saturday will have earned at least £7k this week , no wonder the back up keeper was between me and Harry 😝 and there lies the extent of our current situation all in one example
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 27, 2023 11:17:41 GMT 1
Oh cool , everything's all rosy then , plenty of spare cash to pay the wages each month , this seasons budget is exactly the same value as last seasons , 15th in the table , only 2 points behind the holy grail of 12th someone remind me why the same few fans have been having a meltdown every time we lose , well or draw , or even win sometimes 😳😳😳😳😳😳 If you imagine the fan base as a whole (not talking about this board ) is happy with the season so far then you must speak to a completely different set of people than I do Exactly, as I’ve said before, we’re in a false position in the league, any attempt to gas light needs to be called out, we’re heading for the bottom part of the league, I pray it’s 5th bottom and no lower
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 27, 2023 11:18:49 GMT 1
Can we cut the nonsense about inflation and the playing side of football being linked? Football finances have been wild for decades and have never followed inflation. Can you see Dunkley wondering in asking for an inflation pay rise? Or a new striker wanting 7% more because it's linked to inflation? It's nonsense and an excuse someone has invented to try and back the chairman, DOF and head coaches struggles. Yes, if players felt they could get it they will be asking for far more than inflation. So, we end up signing younger, not yet ready for league 1 players, that fit our budget. Bear in mind that with the same budget last year we didn't even have enough players to put a full bench on the team sheet. Season on season every footballer asks for more, it's been standard pretty much forever. It's absolutely nothing to do with inflation, just something one user posted on here to try and make stick because it suits the agenda.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Dec 27, 2023 11:19:51 GMT 1
Marosi earning over £7k in the week - either rumours are being reported as fact again, or people in the know at the club are continuing to drip feed information to be reported out.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2023 11:24:30 GMT 1
Marosi earning over £7k in the week - either rumours are being reported as fact again, or people in the know at the club are continuing to drip feed information to be reported out. so what you are suggesting is it's either true or false ? Yes you could be right there
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 27, 2023 11:55:37 GMT 1
I have been following this discussion with interest, but fail to understand why asserting that we were bad last season justifies being bad this season.
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Post by Valerioch on Dec 27, 2023 12:03:57 GMT 1
I have been following this discussion with interest, but fail to understand why asserting that we were bad last season justifies being bad this season. It’s also factually incorrect to compare both seasons as I keep highlighting Goals down, conceeded up, points per game down, entertainment down There’s not a single stat that makes this season comparable to last sadly
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