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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 26, 2023 18:45:53 GMT 1
I don't profess to know the ins and outs of Cheltenham Town, but I do know that their early form this season prompted some to question M Moore's legacy there. I don't think they have wholesale changed the team, so it would appear that, after dusting themselves down from the summer upheaval, they have now settled into a reasonable team on the way up and M Moores legacy there was better than some on here gave him credit for?
Shrewsbury fans now need to show some patience to let M Moore does his stuff as our director of football. Wholesale changes to our management structure right now are just not going to work.
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Post by mrcricket on Dec 26, 2023 18:48:13 GMT 1
Steve C is at the match! (Radio shrops had a word with him in the car park). He came to marry one of his daughters to Rob 'Lovely Lad' Street
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 26, 2023 18:52:40 GMT 1
Steve C is at the match! (Radio shrops had a word with him in the car park). He came to marry one of his daughters to Rob 'Lovely Lad' Street Bring your daughter to the slaughter.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 18:57:46 GMT 1
Steve C is at the match! (Radio shrops had a word with him in the car park). He came to marry one of his daughters to Rob 'Lovely Lad' Street I heard the wedding dress has diamonds on it
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Post by welshshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:00:55 GMT 1
We're doing ok league position wise this season. I still see us picking up points. Could the manager have done much more results wise?
The problem of course is that for most of the season we've been excruciating to watch and there are few redeeming features and no real relationship between players and fans from what O see.
I can barely bring myself to go anymore.
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Post by northwestman on Dec 26, 2023 19:03:01 GMT 1
I don't profess to know the ins and outs of Cheltenham Town, but I do know that their early form this season prompted some to question M Moore's legacy there. I don't think they have wholesale changed the team, so it would appear that, after dusting themselves down from the summer upheaval, they have now settled into a reasonable team on the way up and M Moores legacy there was better than some on here gave him credit for? Shrewsbury fans now need to show some patience to let M Moore does his stuff as our director of football. Wholesale changes to our management structure right now are just not going to work. I think you'll find that there have been quite a number of ins and outs at Cheltenham since Moore was in the building. So the defence that they are benefiting from Moore's legacy is tenuous at best. www.footballtransfers.com/en/teams/uk/cheltenham/transfers
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 19:11:04 GMT 1
I respect those who are more positive than me about the future but it feels very like the season we went down to the conference Then people were saying were a good side we beat Everton we have games in hand ...... and we went down. Today people are saying it will get better! we haven't shown out potentialGive MT time give MM time, but recruitment has been poor ,it is incredibly boring to watch and above all I cant see a plan. Hopefully we will avoid relegation but this is really grim
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 19:12:09 GMT 1
I don't profess to know the ins and outs of Cheltenham Town, but I do know that their early form this season prompted some to question M Moore's legacy there. I don't think they have wholesale changed the team, so it would appear that, after dusting themselves down from the summer upheaval, they have now settled into a reasonable team on the way up and M Moores legacy there was better than some on here gave him credit for? Shrewsbury fans now need to show some patience to let M Moore does his stuff as our director of football. Wholesale changes to our management structure right now are just not going to work. I think you'll find that there have been quite a number of ins and outs at Cheltenham since Moore was in the building. So the defence that they are benefiting from Moore's legacy is tenuous at best. www.footballtransfers.com/en/teams/uk/cheltenham/transfersThey may be benefitting because he left
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 19:18:20 GMT 1
I respect those who are more positive than me about the future but it feels very like the season we went down to the conference Then people were saying were a good side we beat Everton we have games in hand ...... and we went down. Today people are saying it will get better! we haven't shown out potentialGive MT time give MM time, but recruitment has been poor ,it is incredibly boring to watch and above all I cant see a plan. Hopefully we will avoid relegation but this is really grim seems a bit like last season to me, only slightly better after 24 games we were 17th, just 5 points above the drop zone today we are 15th 8 points from the drop zone
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Post by northwestman on Dec 26, 2023 19:20:11 GMT 1
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 19:21:34 GMT 1
I respect those who are more positive than me about the future but it feels very like the season we went down to the conference Then people were saying were a good side we beat Everton we have games in hand ...... and we went down. Today people are saying it will get better! we haven't shown out potentialGive MT time give MM time, but recruitment has been poor ,it is incredibly boring to watch and above all I cant see a plan. Hopefully we will avoid relegation but this is really grim seems a bit like last season to me, only slightly better after 24 games we were 17th, just 5 points above the drop zone today we are 15th 8 points from the drop zone Tme will tell Pilch Can you see a plan if so please explain it ? and you didn't half complain last season so you will understand fans who don't think this is good enough
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:26:30 GMT 1
I think Taylors' job is safe because of the league position we find ourselves in. I like him. I find myself believing in what he has to say pre and post-match.
I think he has to rip up his own rulebook now though. I don't care about the injuries, we should not be playing against 23rd in the table the same way as we play against 1st and 2nd.
Time to introduce a threat from somewhere. Maybe start Benning on the left so Shipley can put his efforts into attacking from the first minute.
I will be at the Wrexham match sure...but I won't be going to watch, what the players themselves describe as, such negative football. MT knows this, he was a top player not so long ago. He knows his players will be annoyed at the style of play. He cannot say that he's 'playing it safe' this season just so next season will be better. Loads of our players' contracts are up in the summer. It will be a massive rebuild job again. And we are just as likely to have the same amount of players injured at any time of any year. I'm not sure the formation can change. But the style of play/tactics have to.
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Post by chirkshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:26:35 GMT 1
C'mon Monners......you seriously didn't expect town to win today did you??? This loss has been on the cards for a while.....because they've improved quite a bit recently 🤷🤷...Burton away next.... they've just beaten Blackpool at home.....what do you think will happen.....and tell the truth please!!!🤦🤦
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 19:29:31 GMT 1
seems a bit like last season to me, only slightly better after 24 games we were 17th, just 5 points above the drop zone today we are 15th 8 points from the drop zone Tme will tell Pilch Can you see a plan if so please explain it ? and you didn't half complain last season so you will understand fans who don't think this is good enough the plan is simple, ( you might have missed it ) we have been hindered by previous overspending and currently have had to make drastic changes to secure the future of the club and what are fans still screaming ? spend spend spend amazing
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Post by staffordshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:30:52 GMT 1
seems a bit like last season to me, only slightly better after 24 games we were 17th, just 5 points above the drop zone today we are 15th 8 points from the drop zone Tme will tell Pilch Can you see a plan if so please explain it ? and you didn't half complain last season so you will understand fans who don't think this is good enough Time will tell? That seems to be the point, some on here don't want to give the new management team the time, despite a seemingly wide spread "If we can avoid the drop this season, then hopefully go on from there next season" view at the start of this season.
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 19:34:42 GMT 1
Tme will tell Pilch Can you see a plan if so please explain it ? and you didn't half complain last season so you will understand fans who don't think this is good enough Time will tell? That seems to be the point, some on here don't want to give the new management team the time, despite a seemingly wide spread "If we can avoid the drop this season, then hopefully go on from there next season" view at the start of this season. I think Roland will give him time he has invested too much personally in this in terms of reputation and authority whether that is wise or not well we shall see. Do you see the purpose and the plan in our play because I am struggling ?
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 19:36:09 GMT 1
Tme will tell Pilch Can you see a plan if so please explain it ? and you didn't half complain last season so you will understand fans who don't think this is good enough the plan is simple, ( you might have missed it ) we have been hindered by previous overspending and currently have had to make drastic changes to secure the future of the club and what are fans still screaming ? spend spend spend amazing Sorry Pilch that is not a plan but nice try
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Post by martinshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:42:26 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here?
The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 19:51:41 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here? The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous. thats ok you might have missed the dozens of posts, suggesting change the manager, change the set up, January new defenders, midfielders etc
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Post by belfastshrew on Dec 26, 2023 19:53:27 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here? The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous. thats ok you might have missed the dozens of posts, suggesting change the manager, change the set up, January new defenders, midfielders etc I would argue more of us are saying even if we buy 10 players, if we play like this we will still lose games.
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Post by shrewswolf on Dec 26, 2023 19:57:47 GMT 1
I thought the playing budget was the same as previous seasons? So financial reset or not, it seems a non-starter for that to be the excuse. Add to that the fact you’ve still got many of last years ‘overspend’ players still here and 3 of them playing today - Dunkley, Shipley and Winchester (presumably re-signed on a meagre wage) - and I don’t think you can excuse how poor that was today and how poor it always is. £26 + travel, absolutely thrilled the lads gave us a performance offering the tiniest amount of hope and excitement. Luckily though, we can put this down as an exception to the rule…. Oh no, wait. We can’t. It’s always boring. Not just this season, not just Taylor. Just always boring and somehow, somehow most games this season are the worst of the lot. I’m totally sick of it. I’d even go as far as saying it’s quite sad, to be honest. There is so little enjoyment in it that the league position feels almost irrelevant. And I moaned the same about this last year under Cotterill and years before that under Ricketts before anyone says. However this goal total (and the fact it’s a totally accurate return and not at all bad luck) means this is as pointless as I can remember it to be a match going fan. Hey ho. Here’s to the next win we manage to get by boring us to death on route. That’s what it’s all about and we should all clap along. COYB.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 19:59:11 GMT 1
thats ok you might have missed the dozens of posts, suggesting change the manager, change the set up, January new defenders, midfielders etc I would argue more of us are saying even if we buy 10 players, if we play like this we will still lose games. yeah someone came up with the idea that if we sign Mo Salah and Harry Kane , they wouldn't score either I guess especially if kenneh & Perry are running the show but hey, what do I know
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Post by gtismygod on Dec 26, 2023 19:59:11 GMT 1
The worrying thing for me is that we seem to be getting worse as opposed to better as the weeks go by.
Makes you wonder what we actually do in training all week, because we’re terrible at everything. Truly bizarre.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 20:00:06 GMT 1
I thought the playing budget was the same as previous seasons? So financial reset or not, it seems a non-starter for that to be the excuse. not that blinkered old chestnut
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Post by davycrockett on Dec 26, 2023 20:07:59 GMT 1
Time to abandon this experiment and Wycherley to hand over too. Who to?
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Post by ProudSalopian on Dec 26, 2023 20:10:38 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here? The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous. Come on Martin, stop trying to have a constructive debate about our DoF, Head Coach and the playing style of this football club , just stick to the line of 'it's all the previous manager's fault' and if that gets challenged then throw in a few claims about the fans unrealistic demands. Anyway, you are correct. The football is just as bad as it was last season, if not worse (the goals tally would suggest that), reality is we've had this 3-5-2 style for a number of years and its bored everyone to death. We know he's been unlucky with injuries but I'm not convinced it would be drastically different if we had a full squad to pick from, the only real attacking player we are missing is Bayliss and he was involved for the first few months where we struggled to score anyway. I will sound like a broken record but these are the words from the first interview of of Head Coach, some might say that it's too early to judge but so far he's massively failed upon it. “I hope to allow the players to really express themselves. There are some exceptional footballers here and part of my role is to give them a platform and a structure which they can then go and express themselves and entertain our loyal supporters.”
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Post by chameleon on Dec 26, 2023 20:17:08 GMT 1
Entertain our loyal supporters. We need red bull to keep ourselves awake.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 20:19:34 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here? The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous. Come on Martin, stop trying to have a constructive debate about our DoF, Head Coach and the playing style of this football club , just stick to the line of 'it's all the previous manager's fault' and if that gets challenged then throw in a few claims about the fans unrealistic demands. Anyway, you are correct. The football is just as bad as it was last season, if not worse (the goals tally would suggest that), reality is we've had this 3-5-2 style for a number of years and its bored everyone to death. We know he's been unlucky with injuries but I'm not convinced it would be drastically different if we had a full squad to pick from, the only real attacking player we are missing is Bayliss and he was involved for the first few months where we struggled to score anyway. I will sound like a broken record but these are the words from the first interview of of Head Coach, some might say that it's too early to judge but so far he's massively failed upon it. “I hope to allow the players to really express themselves. There are some exceptional footballers here and part of my role is to give them a platform and a structure which they can then go and express themselves and entertain our loyal supporters.” funny how its ok for you to admit you sound like a broken record but you mock someone else doing the same, not sure what part of a constructive debate that is
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Post by southshropblue on Dec 26, 2023 20:20:04 GMT 1
Nobody has asked the club to "spend spend spend", I don't recall seeing that once on here? The fans just want to see the DOF & Coach develop a style of play and try to move the playing side of the club forwards. For some reason, we're playing exactly the same as the previous manager, but without the nous. Come on Martin, stop trying to have a constructive debate about our DoF, Head Coach and the playing style of this football club , just stick to the line of 'it's all the previous manager's fault' and if that gets challenged then throw in a few claims about the fans unrealistic demands. Anyway, you are correct. The football is just as bad as it was last season, if not worse (the goals tally would suggest that), reality is we've had this 3-5-2 style for a number of years and its bored everyone to death. We know he's been unlucky with injuries but I'm not convinced it would be drastically different if we had a full squad to pick from, the only real attacking player we are missing is Bayliss and he was involved for the first few months where we struggled to score anyway. I will sound like a broken record but these are the words from the first interview of of Head Coach, some might say that it's too early to judge but so far he's massively failed upon it. “I hope to allow the players to really express themselves. There are some exceptional footballers here and part of my role is to give them a platform and a structure which they can then go and express themselves and entertain our loyal supporters.” Post made me smile .9 unlike most of the foot ball recently The football is definitely worse than last season It wasn't an attractive plan SC had but it was a plan
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Post by Pilch on Dec 26, 2023 20:27:39 GMT 1
Come on Martin, stop trying to have a constructive debate about our DoF, Head Coach and the playing style of this football club , just stick to the line of 'it's all the previous manager's fault' and if that gets challenged then throw in a few claims about the fans unrealistic demands. Anyway, you are correct. The football is just as bad as it was last season, if not worse (the goals tally would suggest that), reality is we've had this 3-5-2 style for a number of years and its bored everyone to death. We know he's been unlucky with injuries but I'm not convinced it would be drastically different if we had a full squad to pick from, the only real attacking player we are missing is Bayliss and he was involved for the first few months where we struggled to score anyway. I will sound like a broken record but these are the words from the first interview of of Head Coach, some might say that it's too early to judge but so far he's massively failed upon it. “I hope to allow the players to really express themselves. There are some exceptional footballers here and part of my role is to give them a platform and a structure which they can then go and express themselves and entertain our loyal supporters.” Post made me smile .9 unlike most of the foot ball recently The football is definitely worse than last season It wasn't an attractive plan SC had but it was a plan as I mentioned, after 24 games last season we were 17th and 5 points from the drop zone, today we are 15th and 8 clear so I think I have t say sorry southshropblue, thats not a plan but nice try
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