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Post by martinshrew on Oct 30, 2023 12:44:10 GMT 1
I did just note that 11/23 teams in League One have scored triple or in excess of triple the amount of goals that we have.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 30, 2023 12:46:56 GMT 1
Question is can we improve and compete with the next 5 games in 15 days ๐ค
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 30, 2023 12:53:07 GMT 1
Question is can we improve and compete with the next 5 games in 15 days ๐ค With regard to the "goal scoring problem" would be pretty difficult not to improve starting from such a low base ?
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 30, 2023 12:53:12 GMT 1
Question is can we improve and compete with the next 5 games in 15 days ๐ค I don't think we've got much choice, it's truly sink or swim time.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 30, 2023 13:08:32 GMT 1
Question is can we improve and compete with the next 5 games in 15 days ๐ค Well given October was a stratospheric improvement on September (3 goals in 6 games compared to 0 goals in 6 games), weโre on a roll. November will bring forth an absolute goal feast and I for one cannot wait.
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 30, 2023 13:15:31 GMT 1
Like pretty well everyone else on here, I am searching for positives, and there can be no dispute that there have been good signs during the last three games or so; however,what I don't hear, from the radio commentary, is even a hint of long-term progress - just those glimpses; obviously, as a mere armchair fan, I must rely upon that, and the judgment of those who can attend games.
Incidentally, I don't think that an away attendance of the numbers at Wigan is at all bad, in spite of our current run of form...it amounted to roughly 10% of our normal home supporters, damned good, if you ask me! Back in the day, our typical away following could frequently be counted on our fingers - I know, because I was one of them!
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Post by harboroughshrew on Oct 30, 2023 13:27:38 GMT 1
Like pretty well everyone else on here, I am searching for positives, and there can be no dispute that there have been good signs during the last three games or so; however,what I don't hear, from the radio commentary, is even a hint of long-term progress - just those glimpses; obviously, as a mere armchair fan, I must rely upon that, and the judgment of those who can attend games. Incidentally, I don't think that an away attendance of the numbers at Wigan is at all bad, in spite of our current run of form...it amounted to roughly 10% of our normal home supporters, damned good, if you ask me! Back in the day, our typical away following could frequently be counted on our fingers - I know, because I was one of them! I think you make a very good point about the away attendance, especially considering those with 100% away attendance have seen us score only two goals in eight away games - as an occasional away supporter I take my hat off to those who travel away regularly despite the very thin gruel on offer at the moment.
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Post by wollastonshrew on Oct 30, 2023 13:30:37 GMT 1
We donโt have the personnel of the style of play to be prolific in terms of goals scored. Udon looks a pale shadow of his former self and with no real back difficult to see things improving any time soon.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 30, 2023 13:40:31 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐
Nothing is ever quite right for them ๐ณ
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 30, 2023 13:58:40 GMT 1
Nothing is every quite right for them ๐ณ Nothing was right for you last season when we finished mid-table and looked reasonably solid, yet this season you're happy as a pig in s**t? Forgive me for thinking you might have an agenda.
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Post by southshropblue on Oct 30, 2023 13:59:46 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is every quite right for them ๐ณ That at least would be a bit more entertaining than the current situation Pilch ,even though we would have the same amount of points Hopefully this will turn around soon but at the moment it is pretty dire
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Post by Pilch on Oct 30, 2023 14:04:34 GMT 1
Nothing is every quite right for them ๐ณ Nothing was right for you last season when we finished mid-table and looked reasonably solid, yet this season you're happy as a pig in s**t? Forgive me for thinking you might have an agenda. I'll just wait for the accounts
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Post by Pilch on Oct 30, 2023 14:07:51 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is every quite right for them ๐ณ That at least would be a bit more entertaining than the current situation Pilch ,even though we would have the same amount of points Hopefully this will turn around soon but at the moment it is pretty direย Yes , I keep forgetting how entertaining the last 2 season have been
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 30, 2023 14:16:11 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is ever quite right for them ๐ณ Your inference is our goals scored tally is right for you?
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Post by southshropblue on Oct 30, 2023 14:24:53 GMT 1
That at least would be a bit more entertaining than the current situation Pilch ,even though we would have the same amount of points Hopefully this will turn around soon but at the moment it is pretty dire Yes , I keep forgetting how entertaining the last 2 season have been I agree not the most entertaining but much better and up to this point much more productive than this season and since you bring up previous seasons I seem to remember we did score more goals than so far this season
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 30, 2023 14:28:34 GMT 1
Yes , I keep forgetting how entertaining the last 2 season have been I agree not the most entertaining but much better and up to this point much more productive than this season and since you bring up previous seasons I seem to remember we did score more goals than so far this season You'll soon realise the only defence of the currently shambles is always to harp back to the last few seasons... Says it all...
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 30, 2023 14:30:44 GMT 1
Yes , I keep forgetting how entertaining the last 2 season have been I agree not the most entertaining but much better and up to this point much more productive than this season and since you bring up previous seasons I seem to remember we did score more goals than so far this season Ah but thatโs Pilchโs point. Compare the last 15 games last season with the first 15 this season. Mind you the manager lost his job last season so not sure if the comparisons valid. What I do think is the senior management person on the footballing sides Mickey Moore, I think he need to make a statement on how he thinks things are going as he recruits the team and I guess is MTs boss. When he arrived he said he was proud of his record at Cheltenham last season not being in the relegation zone all year so was happy to receive the credit for the teams performance.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 30, 2023 14:38:53 GMT 1
I agree not the most entertaining but much better and up ย to this point much more productive than this season and since you bring up previous seasons I seem to remember we did score more goals than so far this seasonย Ah but thatโs Pilchโs point. Compare the last 15 games last season with the first 15 this season. Mind you the manager lost his job last season so not sure if the comparisons valid. What I do think is the senior management person on the footballing sides Mickey Moore, I think he need to make a statement on how he thinks things are going as he recruits the team and I guess is MTs boss. When he arrived he said he was proud of his record at Cheltenham last season not being in the relegation zone all year so was happy to receive the credit for the teams performance. I'm happy to go on record early and state I believe Micky Moore is and will be a complete failure. After 5x years he's left a Cheltenham side as the worst performing in the entire EFL. After 15 games here, in over 1,400 minutes of football we've scored 7 goals. We average a goal every 200 minutes of football. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely disgraceful, I wouldn't sleep at night if that was my professional output. I'd have the decency to apologise and resign.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 30, 2023 14:45:50 GMT 1
Ah but thatโs Pilchโs point. Compare the last 15 games last season with the first 15 this season. Mind you the manager lost his job last season so not sure if the comparisons valid. What I do think is the senior management person on the footballing sides Mickey Moore, I think he need to make a statement on how he thinks things are going as he recruits the team and I guess is MTs boss. When he arrived he said he was proud of his record at Cheltenham last season not being in the relegation zone all year so was happy to receive the credit for the teams performance. I'm happy to go on record early and state I believe Micky Moore is and will be a complete failure. After 5x years he's left a Cheltenham side as the worst performing in the entire EFL. After 15 games here, in over 1,400 minutes of football we've scored 7 goals. We average a goal every 200 minutes of football. I'm sorry, but that's absolutely disgraceful, I wouldn't sleep at night if that was my professional output. I'd have the decency to apologise and resign. Unfortunately I have to agree, and was a recurring theme amongst fans I spoke to on Saturday Along with the rest of the "football board", this is all turning in to a nightmare that we'll look back on and ask " did it really happen"
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Post by tarporleyblue on Oct 30, 2023 14:55:49 GMT 1
Maybe, just maybe our new CEO, Liam Dooley will have a strong influence on the way forward and really hold the Director of Football to account.
In the meantime it doesn't solve our goal scoring problem but that's something we can only fix with hard work on the training ground. Whether or not there is a scope to mix it up come January remains to be seen.
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 30, 2023 15:22:37 GMT 1
I agree not the most entertaining but much better and up to this point much more productive than this season and since you bring up previous seasons I seem to remember we did score more goals than so far this season Ah but thatโs Pilchโs point. Compare the last 15 games last season with the first 15 this season. Mind you the manager lost his job last season so not sure if the comparisons valid. Also not sure it's relevant in so far as a manager's first 15 games in charge at the start of a season/reign with generous fixtures should be judged differently to 15 games at the end of a season against tough opposition where objectives had already been achieved. The end of season run-in was dreadful and some of that was on Cotterill for his squad-building gamble backfiring. But the reason there was less criticism (less, not none) was because it was mission accomplished for the third season running so there was credit in the bank, and we still achieved our second highest league finish in decades. If we end up comfortably safe by March and then go on an appalling run to finish the season, or have a good overall season and start poorly next I'd be similarly understanding. At the moment the only prior evidence we've got are the 15 games we've seen so far, in which the only equivalent starts were from two managers who were sacked after pretty crap reigns in charge, and a spell which saw Taylor sacked by a team the league below us. I do think we're starting to look slightly better though in the last couple of weeks, and with us not having been in the relegation zone all season it's always worth remembering how bad you have to be to get relegated from the division. Only Jackson (and in all likelihood Ricketts in his final season if he'd stayed) have actually taken us down despite us having some pretty horrendous teams. I don't think it'll all click into place and we'll rocket up the table, and I can't see it being desperately entertaining, but I can see us putting together enough batches of points to keep our heads above the water.
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Post by Scarecrow on Oct 30, 2023 15:32:20 GMT 1
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Post by bizzylad on Oct 30, 2023 15:44:33 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is ever quite right for them ๐ณ your posts on here are utterly painful and frankly spoiling what used to be a very decent balanced read .
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Post by dachshund on Oct 30, 2023 15:44:40 GMT 1
If we leave the current structure in place, we are 100% going down.
The one silver lining is that Rolandโs not one to show loyalty, so Moore will be out on his ear this season, along with Taylor.
Key is to do it as soon as possible so that we have a chance of galvanising the squad and getting our s**t together
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 30, 2023 15:51:55 GMT 1
If we leave the current structure in place, we are 100% going down. The one silver lining is that Rolandโs not one to show loyalty, so Moore will be out on his ear this season, along with Taylor. Key is to do it as soon as possible so that we have a chance of galvanising the squad and getting our s**t together Agree... I agreed with 95% of Bob's excellent post too, just not the optimistic ending to it
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Post by Minormorris64 on Oct 30, 2023 15:54:59 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is ever quite right for them ๐ณ At least that would be entertaining ?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 30, 2023 16:29:22 GMT 1
I say we need to start losing 6-4 or 5-2 , just to give our Goldilocks fans chance to about goals conceded instead ๐๐ Nothing is ever quite right for them ๐ณ your posts on here are utterly painful and frankly spoiling what used to be a very decent balanced read . the one thing this thread isn't , is balanced in football only 2 things matter, goals scored v goals against this is a thread just about goals scored the goal difference might not be great at the moment, but its better than it was this time 2 seasons ago the most vocal today didn't say a dickie bird back then when it was not only worse on the pitch but there was seemingly a disaster brewing off the pitch too sometimes my opinion is just to try a create a balanced view, trouble is on here, minority opinions get shouted down even if they are sometimes correct
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 30, 2023 16:34:35 GMT 1
7 goals in 15 games is embarrassing.
The only leeway I can give Roland is if the books were as bad as he says, they've had to majorly cut back on the wage bill this season, resulting in the team that's been assembled and our inevitable relegation scrap this season.
At least I hope that's the reason, if this is all part of another major strategy and our wage bill is the same as last season I'd really start to worry.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 30, 2023 16:35:25 GMT 1
your posts on here are utterly painful and frankly spoiling what used to be a very decent balanced read . minority opinions get shouted down even if they are sometimes correct This is your problem, the above isn't true and simply can't be. An opinion can't be "correct", you can agree or disagree with somebody's opinion, but it can't be correct because it's an opinion, not a fact.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 30, 2023 16:35:45 GMT 1
Question is can we improve and compete with the next 5 games in 15 days ๐ค Well given October was a stratospheric improvement on September (3 goals in 6 games compared to 0 goals in 6 games), weโre on a roll. November will bring forth an absolute goal feast and I for one cannot wait. and if we win 2-0 saturday we can quickly revert the 'papering over the cracks' argument in our disappointment of winning ;-)
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