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Post by Valerioch on Oct 28, 2023 17:30:33 GMT 1
Any stato’s out there able to confirm if this is the worst goal scoring start to a season in our long, proud history?
We can’t be far off the worst in England now? A laughing stock like Cheltenham (the irony)
How long do we accept this nonsense for?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 17:39:10 GMT 1
I know we only managed 4 points from 10 games at the end of last seasons, nice to see we've improved and moved on
some of us
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 28, 2023 17:41:20 GMT 1
Last season b******s again as you can’t defend this shambles
😂😂😂
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Oct 28, 2023 17:42:47 GMT 1
Bournemouth (6, but from fewer games), Sheffield Wednesday (5, also from fewer games) and Cheltenham (4, from 14, same as us) are the only worse scorers in the entire football league.
It's not good enough, the team is ponderous going forward, lacks creativity, doesn't take the chances it does make, and unless things change dramatically in the next month is in real trouble.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 28, 2023 17:43:53 GMT 1
I know we only managed 4 points from 10 games at the end of last seasons, nice to see we've improved and moved on some of us Sorry, I thought this thread was about this season.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 28, 2023 17:44:28 GMT 1
How long do we accept this nonsense for? I think as long as we keep our head above water and remain outside the relegation zone then fans we see this as a transition (with the new structure) and will continue to support the management in the hope that it bears fruit a season or two down the line. But I think things will change if we drop into the bottom four, I'd be surprised if the majority would be willing to sacrifice our League One position in order to adopt this new structure.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 17:47:05 GMT 1
Last season b******s again as you can’t defend this shambles 😂😂😂 we've have bad luck with injuries and just need a bigger budget
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Oct 28, 2023 17:47:45 GMT 1
Give it another month and I would expect us to be in the bottom 4
Obviously down to very poor coaching both of the forwards and midfield
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Post by theriverside on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:34 GMT 1
Bournemouth (6, but from fewer games), Sheffield Wednesday (5, also from fewer games) and Cheltenham (4, from 14, same as us) are the only worse scorers in the entire football league. It's not good enough, the team is ponderous going forward, lacks creativity, doesn't take the chances it does make, and unless things change dramatically in the next month is in real trouble. Those numbers were from before today’s game - Cheltenham now only one goal behind, Bournemouth one ahead now from 5 less games and Wednesday haven’t played yet. It’s a huge concern as the moment we concede it appears to be game over……
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 28, 2023 17:49:38 GMT 1
I'm not sure where I saw it (possibly here) but someone pointed out that Cheltenham didn't score in their first 10 games and have now scored only one fewer than us.
The goalscoring situation is a huge, huge problem and there's no sign of it improving
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 17:52:58 GMT 1
I know we only managed 4 points from 10 games at the end of last seasons, nice to see we've improved and moved on some of us Sorry, I thought this thread was about this season. no it was actually about every other season but this one, our long, proud history? etc and as I said yesterday, why is it you feel the need to dive into any debate I'm having with someone else in their defence when you cant even defend yourself ? no wonder you gave the joey barton thread a big swerve today
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Oct 28, 2023 17:53:04 GMT 1
Bournemouth (6, but from fewer games), Sheffield Wednesday (5, also from fewer games) and Cheltenham (4, from 14, same as us) are the only worse scorers in the entire football league. It's not good enough, the team is ponderous going forward, lacks creativity, doesn't take the chances it does make, and unless things change dramatically in the next month is in real trouble. Those numbers were from before today’s game - Cheltenham now only one goal behind, Bournemouth one ahead now from 5 less games and Wednesday haven’t played yet. It’s a huge concern as the moment we concede it appears to be game over…… Yes, my bad, and just makes it even more bleak. If I was a betting man I'd put money on us soon being the lowest scorers in the league. Time for Taylor to step up and prove he can coach this lack of goals out of this team.
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Post by chameleon on Oct 28, 2023 18:03:02 GMT 1
7 goals in 15 games is appalling. Something has got to change or we’re going down.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 28, 2023 18:07:00 GMT 1
We've made more than enough chances in them 15 games to last the season, rotten luck, low confidence and general poor finishing as cost us. It's really not an area of concern for me as I have seen improvement, both in tactics and fitness.
We still need to improve but I feel like we've turned a corner and I'll be shocked if we don't double that goals tally in our next 15 games.
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Post by GlosShrew on Oct 28, 2023 18:09:52 GMT 1
This is certainly the worst start to a season - from a goal scoring perspective this century. After 15 games the next worst record is the 2019/20 season when only 12 goals were scored. The best season after 15 games was 31 in 2008/09 - but this did include a 7-0 thumping of Gillingham. I was to depressed to go back any further.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 18:13:09 GMT 1
7 goals in 15 games is appalling. Something has got to change or we’re going down. we are in the top half of the table when it comes to conceding goals, buy hey lets just concentrate on the negatives and ignore the full picture
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 28, 2023 18:14:00 GMT 1
We've made more than enough chances in them 15 games to last the season, rotten luck, low confidence and general poor finishing as cost us. It's really not an area of concern for me as I have seen improvement, both in tactics and fitness. We still need to improve but I feel like we've turned a corner and I'll be shocked if we don't double that goals tally in our next 15 games. We scored 4 goals in the first 5 games, we've scored 3 in our last 10. I'm not sure what corner we've turned.
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Post by mattmw on Oct 28, 2023 18:38:17 GMT 1
I think the lack of goals is partly down to players we have up front, and also the formation.
I think the formation we play works well from a defensive stance and can see how Taylor is gradually trying to bring a passing and pressing style of play to the side. The trouble is when we win the ball we often have 5-6 or more players behind the ball and our attackers are often outnumbered, and the midfield isn't the quickest to get up and support the forwards. I know Winchester does well as wing back, but he doesn't have the goal threat that Leahy had and perhaps playing him further forward would help.
But even with the formation issues I think the forwards we have are lacking. I was a bit surprised Bowman stayed on and isn't really showing much reason why we did keep him on, and whilst Mata seemed a good punt, he doesn't look like he's going to get many goals this year, and Kieran Phillips has been disappointing too. Can't fault Udoh's work rate either but apart from that I don't think we give opposition defenders much to worry about either in terms of physical presence or pace to run past players - and I'm not sure how we change that with the squad we have. We are really stuck is Udoh gets injured and really lack depth in that area of the squad
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Post by ProudSalopian on Oct 28, 2023 19:24:36 GMT 1
I think the lack of goals is partly down to players we have up front, and also the formation. I think the formation we play works well from a defensive stance and can see how Taylor is gradually trying to bring a passing and pressing style of play to the side. The trouble is when we win the ball we often have 5-6 or more players behind the ball and our attackers are often outnumbered, and the midfield isn't the quickest to get up and support the forwards. I know Winchester does well as wing back, but he doesn't have the goal threat that Leahy had and perhaps playing him further forward would help. But even with the formation issues I think the forwards we have are lacking. I was a bit surprised Bowman stayed on and isn't really showing much reason why we did keep him on, and whilst Mata seemed a good punt, he doesn't look like he's going to get many goals this year, and Kieran Phillips has been disappointing too. Can't fault Udoh's work rate either but apart from that I don't think we give opposition defenders much to worry about either in terms of physical presence or pace to run past players - and I'm not sure how we change that with the squad we have. We are really stuck is Udoh gets injured and really lack depth in that area of the squad Agree with everything there (sadly). We play a defensive system and have little creativity/pace in the team, I will sound like a broken record but that is partly down to playing 3-5-2 but without attacking wingbacks, because of that we have zero attacking options down the wings. Fleming does look half decent so hopefully he is back from injury soon and we are hoping that Thorpe will be the answer to the problems down the right but he's hardly played senior football so is a massive unknown. I really wish we would give Sobowale a try down there, if nothing else it may add some excitement to games. However even if we were creating lots of chances then the strikers we have are poor. I suspect there's not another L1 side who would have Bowman in their team, Phillips is going to be this seasons dud loan, Mata is struggling (hopefully over time he will come good) and Udoh is the only striker with any proven quality but doesn't quite look the same player. For an opposition team we must be quite easy to suss out, take out Bayliss and you remove our one bit of creativity in the side.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 28, 2023 19:26:13 GMT 1
We've made more than enough chances in them 15 games to last the season, rotten luck, low confidence and general poor finishing as cost us. It's really not an area of concern for me as I have seen improvement, both in tactics and fitness. We still need to improve but I feel like we've turned a corner and I'll be shocked if we don't double that goals tally in our next 15 games. Even if we double our goal tally in our next 15 games that’s still only 14 goals in 15 games - might be enough to win a game or two but surely not the extent of our ambitions.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 28, 2023 19:42:49 GMT 1
Sorry, I thought this thread was about this season. no it was actually about every other season but this one, our long, proud history? etc and as I said yesterday, why is it you feel the need to dive into any debate I'm having with someone else in their defence when you cant even defend yourself ? no wonder you gave the joey barton thread a big swerve today I wouldn't ever have the time to even consider something on here being a game or an agenda, it's just a football messageboard. You've killed the Barton thread, a paramedic couldn't bring it back round. It doesn't require my input.
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Post by pughywasfree on Oct 28, 2023 19:43:53 GMT 1
We've made more than enough chances in them 15 games to last the season, rotten luck, low confidence and general poor finishing as cost us. It's really not an area of concern for me as I have seen improvement, both in tactics and fitness. We still need to improve but I feel like we've turned a corner and I'll be shocked if we don't double that goals tally in our next 15 games. Even if we double our goal tally in our next 15 games that’s still only 14 goals in 15 games - might be enough to win a game or two but surely not the extent of our ambitions. I hope its a lot more than that but I was being conservative. I know how people like to bring up old comments on this board
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 20:23:17 GMT 1
last season , last 16 games we finished up with a minus 13 goal aggregate the first 15 of this season we are currently - 11 if we lose 2-0 next game we are on a par with Stevie baby ;-)
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Post by welshshrew on Oct 28, 2023 20:28:56 GMT 1
Spoke to 3 ex Town players this afternoon (as in last 6/7 years). They were very interesting in their feedback in what players think of the current set up from Chairman down to Head Coach.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 20:37:03 GMT 1
no it was actually about every other season but this one, our long, proud history? etc and as I said yesterday, why is it you feel the need to dive into any debate I'm having with someone else in their defence when you cant even defend yourself ? no wonder you gave the joey barton thread a big swerve today I wouldn't ever have the time to even consider something on here being a game or an agenda, it's just a football messageboard. You've killed the Barton thread, a paramedic couldn't bring it back round. It doesn't require my input. exactly despite pleas of innocence from the defence , my telling evidence sentenced it to death ;-)
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 20:38:12 GMT 1
Spoke to 3 ex Town players this afternoon (as in last 6/7 years). They were very interesting in their feedback in what players think of the current set up from Chairman down to Head Coach. how many of them played under cotterill ?
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Post by chirkshrew on Oct 28, 2023 20:59:58 GMT 1
Were they any good ....... Get em back!!!!😄😄
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Post by welshshrew on Oct 28, 2023 21:16:44 GMT 1
Imagine posting 7 times on the first page of a thread and not thinking you had some kind of problem......
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2023 21:18:12 GMT 1
Imagine posting 7 times on the first page of a thread and not thinking you had some kind of problem...... imagine being a coward who can give but not take
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Post by welshshrew on Oct 28, 2023 22:18:37 GMT 1
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