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Post by davycrockett on Sept 1, 2023 12:33:55 GMT 1
Thank God you're not, as we'd have got no fee as they'd have told you to get ****ed. We don't know the fee, but if it's 6 figures with clauses and the 20% sell on that's excellent business for a lad who's played half hour and was still in school a year or so ago. I suspect it would be more than £150k. Sure, he's not played much but there will be a cost to his development which we should be looking to recoup plus his potential value. I think we got around £300k from Everton quite a few years back for young keeper Mason Springthorpe who never made a senior appearance for us. So, I'd be very surprised if Newcastle baulked at a fee of around £500k - plus all the selll on clauses, of course. We only signed him a year ago I think? We won’t be told officially but will have to rely on one of the moles who tell their mates what’s going on. Only fee I can find is £170k for Michael Mills from PV to Newcastle but he’s quite a bit younger. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=166497&season_id=155
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Post by WATR on Sept 1, 2023 12:47:15 GMT 1
I suspect it would be more than £150k. Sure, he's not played much but there will be a cost to his development which we should be looking to recoup plus his potential value. I think we got around £300k from Everton quite a few years back for young keeper Mason Springthorpe who never made a senior appearance for us. So, I'd be very surprised if Newcastle baulked at a fee of around £500k - plus all the selll on clauses, of course. We only signed him a year ago I think? We won’t be told officially but will have to rely on one of the moles who tell their mates what’s going on. Only fee I can find is £170k for Michael Mills from PV to Newcastle but he’s quite a bit younger. www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=166497&season_id=155That would be a compensation fee agreed under the Elite Player Performance Plan which basically lets Premier League teams cherry pick players from football league academies for a pittance. Hearnes is on a professional contract with us so presumably we can set our asking price for him.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 1, 2023 12:49:24 GMT 1
If the fee was any good RW/MM would be harping on about it by now. It’s not even on the club website yet so that’s a bit premature. However, when did Roland ever go public about specific amounts of money? And everything we have learned so far about Micky Moore says that he also plays his cards very close to his chest. The nearest we might get to knowing will be a deduction from the published accounts when they appear. He's not going to say we got £1,076,983 but he'd be very quick to tell us if it were 7 figures, high 6 figures, over quarter million figures. They're the type of descriptions he normally gives. We'll see I guess, I'll be astonished if it's over £250k.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2023 13:09:56 GMT 1
Come on guys, let's just leave it at that. You've both got opinions that differ, that's fine and whoever is right or wrong doesnt matter. This board has been a MUCH better place these last couple of weeks without the opinions getting out of hand. Hopefully we all agree on that if nothing else. PLEASE, let's keep it that way eh? Thanks but I'd already left it and said as much 👍 You had. It had been noted. Well done for walking away. That was why I didnt quote you 👍 Just to reiterate this board has been loads better for the largely non confrontational way it has been the last couple of weeks.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 13:20:10 GMT 1
Thanks but I'd already left it and said as much 👍 You had. It had been noted. Well done for walking away. That was why I didnt quote you 👍 Just to reiterate this board has been loads better for the largely non confrontational way it has been the last couple of weeks. This is the way is should be too , it's been a breath of fresh air on here in the past couple of weeks 👍
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2023 14:01:16 GMT 1
You had. It had been noted. Well done for walking away. That was why I didnt quote you 👍 Just to reiterate this board has been loads better for the largely non confrontational way it has been the last couple of weeks. This is the way is should be too , it's been a breath of fresh air on here in the past couple of weeks 👍 Absolutely 100%
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Post by hectord0g137 on Sept 1, 2023 17:56:58 GMT 1
Is this move actually happening?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 1, 2023 18:54:31 GMT 1
Is this move actually happening? Saw on twitter Newcastle have made offers for 7 players over the last few days. A fairly scattergun approach.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 1, 2023 19:43:59 GMT 1
Is this move actually happening? Saw on twitter Newcastle have made offers for 7 players over the last few days. A fairly scattergun approach. I imagine their youth scouting has just done a database search of all 16/17 years old that have had minutes in the football league, done a quick look and put a few bids in. Big clubs can afford to speculate to accumulate.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Sept 1, 2023 21:21:20 GMT 1
Disappointing for the lad if nothing happens.
If he did sign, can we insert something so that we get an early chance for a loan sometime in the future?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2023 21:25:05 GMT 1
Disappointing for the lad if nothing happens. If he did sign, can we insert something so that we get an early chance for a loan sometime in the future? Doubt we can insert anything, you can have gentleman's agreement I guess. However weve now got 6 loans so I'd very much doubt he will be back here during the autumn.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 1, 2023 21:33:48 GMT 1
Now confirmed
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Post by shrewblue on Sept 1, 2023 21:39:18 GMT 1
Good luck lad!
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Post by mullersalopian on Sept 1, 2023 21:40:58 GMT 1
Good for the lad and sounds a good deal, only wish we put in a loan back
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Post by flixo84 on Sept 1, 2023 21:45:49 GMT 1
All the very best Travis ⚽️
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Post by johnno on Sept 1, 2023 22:08:18 GMT 1
What a wow move for the lad, so hope it works out for him
Best of luck Travis
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 22:15:04 GMT 1
Just think the way football prices are going he could become the new star and sell for £500m in a couple of seasons 🤔🙃😝
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Post by kenwood on Sept 2, 2023 10:13:48 GMT 1
Is this move actually happening? Saw on twitter Newcastle have made offers for 7 players over the last few days. A fairly scattergun approach. Obviously Newcastle are slowly building up their Saudi squad .
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Post by Pilch on Sept 2, 2023 10:20:30 GMT 1
Saw on twitter Newcastle have made offers for 7 players over the last few days. A fairly scattergun approach. Obviously Newcastle are slowly building up their Saudi squad . I guess they are trying to copy Chelsea Eg Sell 5 players for £20m each = £100m ffp funds Buy 5 players for £100m each over 5 years to balance the ffp books Crazy but true
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 2, 2023 11:36:04 GMT 1
Saw on twitter Newcastle have made offers for 7 players over the last few days. A fairly scattergun approach. Obviously Newcastle are slowly building up their Saudi squad . Haven't seen any Saudi signings? Maybe you're following the lazy media narrative? British manager, a first team squad full of British players and youth teams from 13 upwards being packed out with British and Irish talent. All the nonsense about Mourinho, Mbappe, Ronaldo etc. Well some people just don't like being proven wrong do they? Well within FFP regulations, fans engaged again, British manager, British coaching team and a large number of British players in the squad.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 2, 2023 13:54:51 GMT 1
I'd suggest the only "lazy media narrative" is that it now routinely sees Newcastle simply as a football club, and overlooks the fact that it's the biggest sportswashing exercise so far undertaken by the grotesque Saudi regime.
The Saudi state effectively owns Newcastle, despite the "assurances" that it wouldn't, which the Premier League feebly accepted at face value. The Saudi Arabian national side is now to play two games at St James Park. Are we meant to believe that's nothing to do with the Saudi state too?
Meanwhile, Muhammad al-Ghamdi, a 54 year old retired teacher, has just been sentenced to death. His crime? Five tweets criticising the regime and the royal family. That's a case I've just read about this morning. There are many, many similar examples.
OK sure, Eddie Howe's not responsible for that. But you're an intelligent fella, can you honestly not see how the Saudi regime is soft-soaping the west through its sportswashing spending? Is that all ok now? We don't draw the line at anything any more?
I know there are hypocrisies all around us - that's life. We do business with Saudi and other repressive regimes. But we have stronger reasons to swallow that hypocrisy - jobs, energy supplies, geopolitics and so on. This is just a football club, ultimately not that important. We could and should have blocked it. Too late now, but it's a club forever tainted.
Football club owners are often reprehensible characters but I can't think of many that actually kill people.
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Sept 5, 2023 18:38:15 GMT 1
Travis on bench in the efl game at Wrecsam for Newcastle u21's
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 5, 2023 18:46:50 GMT 1
I'd suggest the only "lazy media narrative" is that it now routinely sees Newcastle simply as a football club, and overlooks the fact that it's the biggest sportswashing exercise so far undertaken by the grotesque Saudi regime. The Saudi state effectively owns Newcastle, despite the "assurances" that it wouldn't, which the Premier League feebly accepted at face value. The Saudi Arabian national side is now to play two games at St James Park. Are we meant to believe that's nothing to do with the Saudi state too? Meanwhile, Muhammad al-Ghamdi, a 54 year old retired teacher, has just been sentenced to death. His crime? Five tweets criticising the regime and the royal family. That's a case I've just read about this morning. There are many, many similar examples. OK sure, Eddie Howe's not responsible for that. But you're an intelligent fella, can you honestly not see how the Saudi regime is soft-soaping the west through its sportswashing spending? Is that all ok now? We don't draw the line at anything any more? I know there are hypocrisies all around us - that's life. We do business with Saudi and other repressive regimes. But we have stronger reasons to swallow that hypocrisy - jobs, energy supplies, geopolitics and so on. This is just a football club, ultimately not that important. We could and should have blocked it. Too late now, but it's a club forever tainted. Football club owners are often reprehensible characters but I can't think of many that actually kill people. I didn't realise that Saudi Arabia were the only nation responsible for anything worldwide. Do we just not care about what China, Qatar, Russia are doing etc? Or is it simply because Newcastle have the richest owners? Will there be the same outrage if Qatar takes over Man United? Well, that depends if they're richer than the Saudis or not. Gareth Southgate has it right, we do arms deals, multiple trade deals, oil deals with Saudi and nobody really cares; Newcastle happen to become rich and suddenly everyone cares. It's rank hypocrisy of the highest order. I look forward to the next hypocrisy bandwagon.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Sept 6, 2023 12:33:35 GMT 1
Young Mr Travis played 25 minutes for the Geordies last night and did OK according to the local Newcastle Press.
Good Luck young man
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Sept 6, 2023 13:07:07 GMT 1
Young Mr Travis played 25 minutes for the Geordies last night and did OK according to the local Newcastle Press. Good Luck young man I watched it on firestick as could t get salop. He was described as "lively" by the commentators
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Post by venceremos on Sept 6, 2023 22:32:04 GMT 1
I'd suggest the only "lazy media narrative" is that it now routinely sees Newcastle simply as a football club, and overlooks the fact that it's the biggest sportswashing exercise so far undertaken by the grotesque Saudi regime. The Saudi state effectively owns Newcastle, despite the "assurances" that it wouldn't, which the Premier League feebly accepted at face value. The Saudi Arabian national side is now to play two games at St James Park. Are we meant to believe that's nothing to do with the Saudi state too? Meanwhile, Muhammad al-Ghamdi, a 54 year old retired teacher, has just been sentenced to death. His crime? Five tweets criticising the regime and the royal family. That's a case I've just read about this morning. There are many, many similar examples. OK sure, Eddie Howe's not responsible for that. But you're an intelligent fella, can you honestly not see how the Saudi regime is soft-soaping the west through its sportswashing spending? Is that all ok now? We don't draw the line at anything any more? I know there are hypocrisies all around us - that's life. We do business with Saudi and other repressive regimes. But we have stronger reasons to swallow that hypocrisy - jobs, energy supplies, geopolitics and so on. This is just a football club, ultimately not that important. We could and should have blocked it. Too late now, but it's a club forever tainted. Football club owners are often reprehensible characters but I can't think of many that actually kill people. I didn't realise that Saudi Arabia were the only nation responsible for anything worldwide. Do we just not care about what China, Qatar, Russia are doing etc? Or is it simply because Newcastle have the richest owners? Will there be the same outrage if Qatar takes over Man United? Well, that depends if they're richer than the Saudis or not. Gareth Southgate has it right, we do arms deals, multiple trade deals, oil deals with Saudi and nobody really cares; Newcastle happen to become rich and suddenly everyone cares. It's rank hypocrisy of the highest order. I look forward to the next hypocrisy bandwagon. Of course there are hypocrisies, that’s why I said what I did. Life’s full of them. We’re all hypocrites one way or another. I know we do business with Saudi (I said that too). But I place more importance on people’s jobs than a football club. And, while we’re still so dependent on oil, we’re reliant on some dubious suppliers of the stuff, including Saudi. But that’s more important than a football club too. Perhaps you think a football club is just as important as those things. Southgate is wrong if he said what you claim. A lot of people do care about selling arms to Saudi, especially when they’re used to slaughter Yemeni civilians. I don’t care how rich Newcastle are. I do care that they’re the supine poster boys for a barbaric, medieval regime’s sportswashing campaign, and that so many think that’s fine, no questions asked. And in any case I don’t think it’s healthy for any club to be owned by any nation state. China, Russia, Qatar - sure, lots to object to there. But which PL clubs are owned by them? None as it stands, not yet anyway. There’s no “hypocrisy bandwagon”, it’s just that some believe a line should be drawn somewhere, while others seem to think the world is black and white and you either break off all dealings with a country or accept everything, even when they’re playing you as obviously as Saudi are playing us.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 6, 2023 23:53:16 GMT 1
I didn't realise that Saudi Arabia were the only nation responsible for anything worldwide. Do we just not care about what China, Qatar, Russia are doing etc? Or is it simply because Newcastle have the richest owners? Will there be the same outrage if Qatar takes over Man United? Well, that depends if they're richer than the Saudis or not. Gareth Southgate has it right, we do arms deals, multiple trade deals, oil deals with Saudi and nobody really cares; Newcastle happen to become rich and suddenly everyone cares. It's rank hypocrisy of the highest order. I look forward to the next hypocrisy bandwagon. 1) I don’t think it’s healthy for any club to be owned by any nation state. 2) China, Russia, Qatar - sure, lots to object to there. But which PL clubs are owned by them? 1) Newcastle aren't. 2) Chelsea were for two decades, there's been plenty of Chinese owners, the Qataris are trying to buy Man United. Nobody will give a toss, unless they're the richest of course; that's when "human rights" apparently matter.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 7, 2023 9:32:42 GMT 1
Young Mr Travis played 25 minutes for the Geordies last night and did OK according to the local Newcastle Press. Good Luck young man I watched it on firestick as could t get salop. He was described as "lively" by the commentators The better he does will benefit town. Selling him in a few years for even a moderate fee at that level may make town a season defining fee.
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Post by venceremos on Sept 7, 2023 12:50:56 GMT 1
1) I don’t think it’s healthy for any club to be owned by any nation state. 2) China, Russia, Qatar - sure, lots to object to there. But which PL clubs are owned by them? 1) Newcastle aren't. 2) Chelsea were for two decades, there's been plenty of Chinese owners, the Qataris are trying to buy Man United. Nobody will give a toss, unless they're the richest of course; that's when "human rights" apparently matter. 1) Newcastle United are owned by the Saudi Public Investment Fund. The PIF is (as claimed in a US court) "a sovereign instrumentality of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia" and Yasir Al-Rumayyan, NUFC's chairman, is "a sitting minister of the Saudi government". Saudi Arabia will play two home friendlies at St James' Park tomorrow and Tuesday. What a coincidence, eh? And you believe the Saudi state doesn't own NUFC? 2) Chelsea state owned? I'd argue not in the same way. There's been some pretty compelling discussion of how Abramovich, in common with other Russian oligarchs, was a front for Putin and that he was allowed so much leeway because the greater wealth ultimately flowed back to Vlad. I don't think that's quite the same thing as a state's public investment fund though. And there certainly wasn't any sense of Chelsea being a sportswashing arm of the Russian state. In common with most other top level clubs they were a rich man's plaything. I don't share your narrow and cynical view that human rights (why the "....." by the way - are they not something you believe in?) are only a concern when one club becomes the richest. Believe it or not some people think there are more important things than football - it's quite possible to object to what's happened at NUFC without caring which club might or might not spend the most money or hoover up the trophies. Human rights and football club ownership have been a concern for some at least since Shinawatra bought Man City in 2007, although he was no longer the Thai Prime Minister by then. They weren't the richest club. We can all make excuses. I want the Glazers out of Man United but Jassim seems too well connected to the Qatari state for me to be comfortable with him taking over - although it's worth noting that Qatar's human rights record isn't as bad as Saudi's. But I disagree with state ownership in any form - I would be against Norway's Sovereign Wealth Fund owning a club too.
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Post by Shrewsfan1985 on Sept 14, 2023 23:38:57 GMT 1
Good luck to Travis at Newcastle United. Hope it all works out well for him.
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