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Post by sheltonsalopian on Sept 1, 2023 10:21:03 GMT 1
You'll find a lot more top clubs doing this, to get around FFP rules they'll be scattergunning buying young talents for around the 500k mark hoping they'll progress to be able to sell on for a profit, then they can use that accounting profit to chase the mega stars.
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Post by shrewblue on Sept 1, 2023 10:29:55 GMT 1
Wishing all the success in the world to Travis I really hope it works out for the lad and indeed the club too.
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 10:32:32 GMT 1
And ...The times he could have played a part last season and got snubbed When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Sept 1, 2023 10:37:43 GMT 1
And ...The times he could have played a part last season and got snubbed When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it! I think he's come on twice in injury time and started v Leeds. He's certainly not been a regular this season or done anything to suggest he should have been involved last season.
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Post by block18shrew on Sept 1, 2023 10:46:37 GMT 1
Hilarious that people think because he hasnt played first team football we cant command a decent fee.
Look at some of the 13-17 year old fees that have been paid to clubs in similar circumstances. Ojo left MK Dons to Liverpool for 2.5 million.
This is a classic case of little old Shrewsbury's meat being picked off the bones if its anywhere less than 7 figures.
No way would a team like Barnsley or Charlton etc let a young prodigy go for next to nothing and nor would a club the size of Newcastle come in with such a derisory bid in the first place.
I hope we played hard ball on this and negotiated a far better fee than is being predicted on here.
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 10:47:33 GMT 1
When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it! I think he's come on twice in injury time and started v Leeds. He's certainly not been a regular this season or done anything to suggest he should have been last season. Sorry, my mistake. You're right, he came on in the 95th minute against Cheltenham. Watts has had more minutes in the league than Travis. If he was ready to play at Leeds, why hasn't he had more time in our league games? And I agree about last season - there was nothing to suggest he should have been getting into the side.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 1, 2023 10:52:06 GMT 1
Thank god some people on here aren’t running the club. Asking for £150,000 from a club with unlimited resources for one the best young talents in the football league who we have signed up on a long term contract is just a laughable idea. £2 million or the terrorists can get lost. Thank God you're not, as we'd have got no fee as they'd have told you to get ****ed. We don't know the fee, but if it's 6 figures with clauses and the 20% sell on that's excellent business for a lad who's played half hour and was still in school a year or so ago.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 1, 2023 10:53:30 GMT 1
You'll find a lot more top clubs doing this, to get around FFP rules they'll be scattergunning buying young talents for around the 500k mark hoping they'll progress to be able to sell on for a profit, then they can use that accounting profit to chase the mega stars. Look at the fees City are getting for some of their youth products, incredible business by them.
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 11:01:01 GMT 1
Thank god some people on here aren’t running the club. Asking for £150,000 from a club with unlimited resources for one the best young talents in the football league who we have signed up on a long term contract is just a laughable idea. £2 million or the terrorists can get lost. Thank God you're not, as we'd have got no fee as they'd have told you to get ****ed. We don't know the fee, but if it's 6 figures with clauses and the 20% sell on that's excellent business for a lad who's played half hour and was still in school a year or so ago. I suspect it would be more than £150k. Sure, he's not played much but there will be a cost to his development which we should be looking to recoup plus his potential value. I think we got around £300k from Everton quite a few years back for young keeper Mason Springthorpe who never made a senior appearance for us. So, I'd be very surprised if Newcastle baulked at a fee of around £500k - plus all the selll on clauses, of course.
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Post by vladimir on Sept 1, 2023 11:02:29 GMT 1
And ...The times he could have played a part last season and got snubbed So true. But then at least Cotterill did include Hernes and we've now earned a fee for him unlike our last big prospect; John Mcatee who was given no opportunity by the former manager to Cotterill and released for free.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 11:12:13 GMT 1
And ...The times he could have played a part last season and got snubbed When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it! I saw him in the only few minutes he had v wolves in the pizza cup , he not only Looked useful he banged in a great goal from well outside the box , considering the amount of times we were dead on our feet during games and crying out for a sub then yes , what does age matter ? I thought he was worth another try , but no the manager was busy trying to prove a point that the kids were s**te and we need more money , then again that sort of attitude got him the sack , but hey you back him up if you like 👍
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 1, 2023 11:14:15 GMT 1
Thank God you're not, as we'd have got no fee as they'd have told you to get ****ed. We don't know the fee, but if it's 6 figures with clauses and the 20% sell on that's excellent business for a lad who's played half hour and was still in school a year or so ago. I suspect it would be more than £150k. Sure, he's not played much but there will be a cost to his development which we should be looking to recoup plus his potential value. I think we got around £300k from Everton quite a few years back for young keeper Mason Springthorpe who never made a senior appearance for us. So, I'd be very surprised if Newcastle baulked at a fee of around £500k - plus all the selll on clauses, of course. Pretty sure we got £125,000 for Mason.
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 11:28:59 GMT 1
When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it! I saw him in the only few minutes he had v wolves in the pizza cup , he not only Looked useful he banged in a great goal from well outside the box , considering the amount of times we were dead on our feet during games and crying out for a sub then yes , what does age matter ? I thought he was worth another try , but no the manager was busy trying to prove a point that the kids were s**te and we need more money , then again that sort of attitude got him the sack , but hey you back him up if you like 👍 What utter nonsense. He wasn't making any such point. But aside from that, it's no different now. We're short on quality at the moment yet Travis gets a paltry few minutes in two games deep into added time. You'd have been hyperventilating and having a total meltdown had Cotterill done that. Seemingly, he only played at Leeds so the Newcastle scouts could take a good look at him. But hey, just keep your narrative going and chuck in the customary money grab to convince yourself you were right.
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Sept 1, 2023 11:31:15 GMT 1
No way would they let him go for £150k. With his potential we could be worth 10 times that in 12months time. I'm sure it will be a decent fee.
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Post by johnno on Sept 1, 2023 11:32:59 GMT 1
Newcastle have money to burn, hold out for what we can get or dont sell
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 11:35:54 GMT 1
I saw him in the only few minutes he had v wolves in the pizza cup , he not only Looked useful he banged in a great goal from well outside the box , considering the amount of times we were dead on our feet during games and crying out for a sub then yes , what does age matter ? I thought he was worth another try , but no the manager was busy trying to prove a point that the kids were s**te and we need more money , then again that sort of attitude got him the sack , but hey you back him up if you like 👍 What utter nonsense. He wasn't making any such point. But aside from that, it's no different now. We're short on quality at the moment yet Travis gets a paltry few minutes in two games deep into added time. You'd have been hyperventilating and having a total meltdown had Cotterill done that. Seemingly, he only played at Leeds so the Newcastle scouts could take a good look at him. But hey, just keep your narrative going and chuck in the customary money grab to convince yourself you were right. you have a narrative too , one needless making up s**te about me that didn't happen , and 2 standing up for a bully ,, I don't really want that debate any longer
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Post by mattmw on Sept 1, 2023 11:41:17 GMT 1
Don't really know enough about the finaces of signing youth team players to comment, but would hope that the fee we get goes someway towards rebuilding the club funds which have been hit over recent seasons to reassure the Chairman and perhaps with a little left to strengthen the squad during the course of the day.
With the mad fees now being paid for players its hard to speculate on the type of money we can get for young players like Travis, but in some ways its a bit dispiriting that the academy is there just to make money, rather than be a source of 2-3 new young players a season into the 1st team squad playing matches. It would be lovely to think town could field a competative league one team containing 4-5 graduates of the academy, but think thats unlikley now as any showing promise can get snapped up at a very young age and we barely get to see them play.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 1, 2023 11:46:05 GMT 1
No way would they let him go for £150k. With his potential we could be worth 10 times that in 12months time. I'm sure it will be a decent fee. If the fee was any good RW/MM would be harping on about it by now.
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 11:53:32 GMT 1
What utter nonsense. He wasn't making any such point. But aside from that, it's no different now. We're short on quality at the moment yet Travis gets a paltry few minutes in two games deep into added time. You'd have been hyperventilating and having a total meltdown had Cotterill done that. Seemingly, he only played at Leeds so the Newcastle scouts could take a good look at him. But hey, just keep your narrative going and chuck in the customary money grab to convince yourself you were right. you have a narrative too , one needless making up s**te about me that didn't happen , and 2 standing up for a bully ,, I don't really want that debate any longer I've not made anything up about you. You constantly berated Cotterill for a whole host of decisions he made. It was, and still is, an endless stream. And I'm not sticking up for him - just telling it how I see it. Then you tell me you don't want to debate the 'Cotterill is a bully' reference. But you brought it up!! Although, I did laugh at your 'bully evidence' from a few weeks back based on a couple of obscure sources who clearly didn't like him. One of them even admitted that to be fair to Cotterill his outburst may have been justified on account of them playing so badly.
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Post by bordersalopian74 on Sept 1, 2023 11:53:37 GMT 1
Newcastle supporting work colleague seems to think Hernes could be loaned straight back to us and that we've enquired about Newcastle U21s Dylan Stephenson coming in on a season long loan?
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 11:54:54 GMT 1
No way would they let him go for £150k. With his potential we could be worth 10 times that in 12months time. I'm sure it will be a decent fee. If the fee was any good RW/MM would be harping on about it by now. It's probably potentially good but won't be much to start with I wonder if our pride fans are happy with us taking the Saudi cash ?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Sept 1, 2023 12:00:25 GMT 1
Newcastle supporting work colleague seems to think Hernes could be loaned straight back to us and that we've enquired about Newcastle U21s Dylan Stephenson coming in on a season long loan? Given how little he has played here I don't think it makes sense to plan him back. I imagine they will get him into their system to have a proper look at him
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Post by WATR on Sept 1, 2023 12:13:04 GMT 1
Thank god some people on here aren’t running the club. Asking for £150,000 from a club with unlimited resources for one the best young talents in the football league who we have signed up on a long term contract is just a laughable idea. £2 million or the terrorists can get lost. Thank God you're not, as we'd have got no fee as they'd have told you to get ****ed. We don't know the fee, but if it's 6 figures with clauses and the 20% sell on that's excellent business for a lad who's played half hour and was still in school a year or so ago. Disagree. Anything less than seven figures is daylight robbery. Non of the top teams in the league would entertain anything less so why should we?
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Post by edgmond on Sept 1, 2023 12:16:56 GMT 1
No way would they let him go for £150k. With his potential we could be worth 10 times that in 12months time. I'm sure it will be a decent fee. If the fee was any good RW/MM would be harping on about it by now. It’s not even on the club website yet so that’s a bit premature. However, when did Roland ever go public about specific amounts of money? And everything we have learned so far about Micky Moore says that he also plays his cards very close to his chest. The nearest we might get to knowing will be a deduction from the published accounts when they appear.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 1, 2023 12:17:41 GMT 1
We’re all talking about Hernes having massive potential but let’s be honest none of us have seen that with our own two eyes we’re just going off what we’ve been told.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2023 12:17:44 GMT 1
you have a narrative too , one needless making up s**te about me that didn't happen , and 2 standing up for a bully ,, I don't really want that debate any longer I've not made anything up about you. You constantly berated Cotterill for a whole host of decisions he made. It was, and still is, an endless stream. And I'm not sticking up for him - just telling it how I see it. Then you tell me you don't want to debate the 'Cotterill is a bully' reference. But you brought it up!! Although, I did laugh at your 'bully evidence' from a few weeks back based on a couple of obscure sources who clearly didn't like him. One of them even admitted that to be fair to Cotterill his outburst may have been justified on account of them playing so badly. Come on guys, let's just leave it at that. You've both got opinions that differ, that's fine and whoever is right or wrong doesnt matter. This board has been a MUCH better place these last couple of weeks without the opinions getting out of hand. Hopefully we all agree on that if nothing else. PLEASE, let's keep it that way eh?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Sept 1, 2023 12:22:35 GMT 1
Don't really know enough about the finaces of signing youth team players to comment, but would hope that the fee we get goes someway towards rebuilding the club funds which have been hit over recent seasons to reassure the Chairman and perhaps with a little left to strengthen the squad during the course of the day. With the mad fees now being paid for players its hard to speculate on the type of money we can get for young players like Travis, but in some ways its a bit dispiriting that the academy is there just to make money, rather than be a source of 2-3 new young players a season into the 1st team squad playing matches. It would be lovely to think town could field a competative league one team containing 4-5 graduates of the academy, but think thats unlikley now as any showing promise can get snapped up at a very young age and we barely get to see them play. I'd agree to a point but these days I see us and clubs at our level taking on some of the likes of Hernes who have been at bigger clubs but failed to make it as they get released. They dont cost much if anything to sign up. What we need to do is the other side of things and make money out of the talented youngsters who get sold onto the bigger clubs, like we are doing here.
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Post by southshropblue on Sept 1, 2023 12:25:14 GMT 1
When he was 16? And we've really made use of him this season in the league. Came on in the 94th minute when we were 2-0 down at Stevenage. You'd have crucified Cotterill if he'd pulled a stunt like that. Yet, not a word when Taylor did it! I saw him in the only few minutes he had v wolves in the pizza cup , he not only Looked useful he banged in a great goal from well outside the box , considering the amount of times we were dead on our feet during games and crying out for a sub then yes , what does age matter ? I thought he was worth another try , but no the manager was busy trying to prove a point that the kids were s**te and we need more money , then again that sort of attitude got him the sack , but hey you back him up if you like 👍 Ah well last season has gone now we will never know what would have happened if he had played He may have been good he may have lost confidence etc but SC has gone and we need to look forward
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Post by Pilch on Sept 1, 2023 12:27:06 GMT 1
I've not made anything up about you. You constantly berated Cotterill for a whole host of decisions he made. It was, and still is, an endless stream. And I'm not sticking up for him - just telling it how I see it. Then you tell me you don't want to debate the 'Cotterill is a bully' reference. But you brought it up!! Although, I did laugh at your 'bully evidence' from a few weeks back based on a couple of obscure sources who clearly didn't like him. One of them even admitted that to be fair to Cotterill his outburst may have been justified on account of them playing so badly. Come on guys, let's just leave it at that. You've both got opinions that differ, that's fine and whoever is right or wrong doesnt matter. This board has been a MUCH better place these last couple of weeks without the opinions getting out of hand. Hopefully we all agree on that if nothing else. PLEASE, let's keep it that way eh? Thanks but I'd already left it and said as much 👍
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Post by blamber on Sept 1, 2023 12:31:54 GMT 1
Come on guys, let's just leave it at that. You've both got opinions that differ, that's fine and whoever is right or wrong doesnt matter. This board has been a MUCH better place these last couple of weeks without the opinions getting out of hand. Hopefully we all agree on that if nothing else. PLEASE, let's keep it that way eh? Thanks but I'd already left it and said as much 👍 Agreed!
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