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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 18, 2024 15:05:12 GMT 1
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Post by mrcricket on Mar 18, 2024 16:25:39 GMT 1
It's looking like it would suit all parties, Mata, Shrewsbury and Sligo that the move is turned permanent.
I wish Max nothing but the best of luck in the world but I don't think he's cut out for League one level, no disgrace in giving it a go.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 18, 2024 17:39:03 GMT 1
It's looking like it would suit all parties, Mata, Shrewsbury and Sligo that the move is turned permanent. I wish Max nothing but the best of luck in the world but I don't think he's cut out for League one level, no disgrace in giving it a go. Highly doubt they'll want to pay a fee to take him back + take on his vastly enhanced wages? He couldn't have picked a worse club to come to as a striker, it's beyond a joke now how long our striker killing reputation goes back! (Albeit some haven't been the required standard)
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blueboy48
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Post by blueboy48 on Mar 18, 2024 19:33:52 GMT 1
Martinshrew highlights the dilemma that Mata and the club face. He's got two years left on a lucrative wage (by Irish standards) and wont want to give that up. Sligo surely wont pay a transfer fee to take him back. Will the club extend his loan through the summer in the hope Mata regains his form and confidence. If they do, he won't have a pre-season with us and that won't help anyone either. We could try to loan him out to a League 2 or National league and hope he improves.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Mar 18, 2024 22:00:21 GMT 1
I would guess that Mata will be recalled from his loan at or close to the end of our season. Give him a few weeks off in our close season and the coaches will work on him during the pre season. Then see where he is come mid August before deciding if he is (or maybe) improved to be a contender for us, or decide to loan him out to League 2. I think he can be loaned to National League during the season as well which might be another option come the autumn.
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Post by southshropblue on Mar 18, 2024 22:16:08 GMT 1
I would guess that Mata will be recalled from his loan at or close to the end of our season. Give him a few weeks off in our close season and the coaches will work on him during the pre season. Then see where he is come mid August before deciding if he is (or maybe) improved to be a contender for us, or decide to loan him out to League 2. I think he can be loaned to National League during the season as well which might be another option come the autumn. I may be alone but I have not completely given up hope that with proper coaching and a full pre season there might be A league 1 striker in there somewhere
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Post by JohnG on Mar 18, 2024 23:17:00 GMT 1
The signing of Mata and his suitability to league 1 football raises a couple of questions for me of our recruitment team, Tom Ware and Micky Moore.
As with the modern game, was Mata signed on the basis of stats and data? Or was he physically scouted?
Either way, the step up has been beyond Mata so far. Same with Idowu.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 18, 2024 23:20:22 GMT 1
we are following the p'boro model, first the director of football, then buying up loads of young talent hoping to hit the jackpot with one isn't that what some have been crying out for ? damned if we do damned if we dont
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Post by blueboy48 on Mar 19, 2024 0:30:57 GMT 1
I dont think Mata (or Sabowale and Iduwe) were intended to be League 1 Ready this season. He was surely meant to be our 4th striker after Udoh, Bowman and Phillips but due to circumstances was drafted into a very poor side that played hoofball and created very few chances. No wonder his confidence was shot. Having said that, I'm not convinced he'll make it but will keep an open mind.
We've seen virtually nothing of Oduwe so have no opinion but I'm quite excited by Sabowale. He's got loads of ability, pace and power. Suspect he need a lot of coaching in tactics and positioning. If Hurst can do that then we'll have a Player on our hands next season.
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Post by edgmond on Mar 19, 2024 0:55:38 GMT 1
Correct me if I’m wrong but Roland Idowu hasn’t made a start yet. Dismissing him completely on a few substitute appearances in a team/level of fitness which were not generated by the current management team seems premature and unfair.
It may be that he’s not up to it but I’d prefer to hear that from Hurst himself or at least after seeing him play 90 minutes.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 7:07:43 GMT 1
Correct me if I’m wrong but Roland Idowu hasn’t made a start yet. Dismissing him completely on a few substitute appearances in a team/level of fitness which were not generated by the current management team seems premature and unfair. It may be that he’s not up to it but I’d prefer to hear that from Hurst himself or at least after seeing him play 90 minutes. Hurst isn't going to come out and say he's not good enough. But I'd suggest the fact he hasn't started and at times has even struggled to make the bench would suggest that Hurst doesn't think he's good enough. He may not have played much but Hurst and the coaching staff will see him every day in training.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 7:24:44 GMT 1
I dont think Mata (or Sabowale and Iduwe) were intended to be League 1 Ready this season. He was surely meant to be our 4th striker after Udoh, Bowman and Phillips Possibly although we are a club with financial problems, have we got the luxury of spending money on players who aren't good enough for this level at this time? Besides, with all the talk from Taylor about the signings, I'd be really surprised if they weren't deemed L1 ready. And all 3 players were involved fairly on in the first team after they arrived. I'm pretty confident that Sobowale or Idowu will not be here next season. I think it's unlikely Mata will be either, unless he comes back a changed man and/or our hands are forced because we find ourselves in a O'Brien situation where no club will take him and we can't afford to pay him off
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 7:35:27 GMT 1
we are following the p'boro model, first the director of football, then buying up loads of young talent hoping to hit the jackpot with one isn't that what some have been crying out for ? damned if we do damned if we dont The issue isn't so much about the model, I suspect most fans are supportive of the model of signing young players, develop them and then sell then on for a profit. The problem is the execution, the players we've signed for that model are Mata, Idowu, Sobowale, Taylor, Sraha and Parker. Now clearly you aren't going to get every signing right but thats 6 signings, none are playing regularly and as things stand, I'd say only Sraha has any chance of going on to be a success for us (and the model).
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 19, 2024 7:45:00 GMT 1
we are following the p'boro model, first the director of football, then buying up loads of young talent hoping to hit the jackpot with one isn't that what some have been crying out for ? damned if we do damned if we dont The issue isn't so much about the model, I suspect most fans are supportive of the model of signing young players, develop them and then sell then on for a profit. The problem is the execution, the players we've signed for that model are Mata, Idowu, Sobowale, Taylor, Sraha and Parker. We are due Moore's first update by the end of the week, it'll certainly be interesting read looking to that list.
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Post by camdenshrew on Mar 19, 2024 9:37:15 GMT 1
I'd add Sovowale to the list of players who have the potential to develop into a decent player given the right coaching. He's quick, direct and positive on the ball. Yes, he's raw but I think he's done enough to merit another season.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 9:59:28 GMT 1
I'd add Sovowale to the list of players who have the potential to develop into a decent player given the right coaching. He's quick, direct and positive on the ball. Yes, he's raw but I think he's done enough to merit another season. Can't believe he didn't slot that 1-on-1 into the absolutely gaping hole in the bottom left corner on Saturday!
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 19, 2024 10:13:14 GMT 1
I'd add Sovowale to the list of players who have the potential to develop into a decent player given the right coaching. He's quick, direct and positive on the ball. Yes, he's raw but I think he's done enough to merit another season. On presumably pretty cheap wages too, and a new contract isn't needed either as there is another year option. Would like to see him stay, he's a genuinely direct attacking player, and surely is at least a good option off the bench. Yes he missed a sitter but he was there and also put in on tried a couple of crosses in only a couple of minutes. It hasn't led to much output yet but to be honest it isn't with many town players. O'Brien for example hasn't come close to scoring or assisting and he will on I imagine several times what Tunmise is.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 10:16:13 GMT 1
I wouldn't be against Sobawale & Idowu being bench options for either wing and saving some money. Same with Mata being our bench option.
Only issue is they're not getting much game time in that scenario; is it better bringing in loans and giving them all a full season in League Two out on loan?
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 19, 2024 10:20:12 GMT 1
Correct me if I’m wrong but Roland Idowu hasn’t made a start yet. Dismissing him completely on a few substitute appearances in a team/level of fitness which were not generated by the current management team seems premature and unfair. It may be that he’s not up to it but I’d prefer to hear that from Hurst himself or at least after seeing him play 90 minutes. Hurst isn't going to come out and say he's not good enough. But I'd suggest the fact he hasn't started and at times has even struggled to make the bench would suggest that Hurst doesn't think he's good enough. He may not have played much but Hurst and the coaching staff will see him every day in training. And bringing in Tulloch too in Idowus position shows that he doesn't have faith in him right now. Be interesting if town secure safety and have a couple of dead rubbers at the end if he and few others get any game time. But I'd assume he will be off out on loan next season.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 19, 2024 11:40:28 GMT 1
we are following the p'boro model, first the director of football, then buying up loads of young talent hoping to hit the jackpot with one isn't that what some have been crying out for ? damned if we do damned if we dont The issue isn't so much about the model, I suspect most fans are supportive of the model of signing young players, develop them and then sell then on for a profit. The problem is the execution, the players we've signed for that model are Mata, Idowu, Sobowale, Taylor, Sraha and Parker. Now clearly you aren't going to get every signing right but thats 6 signings, none are playing regularly and as things stand, I'd say only Sraha has any chance of going on to be a success for us (and the model). this is the point where we have reached the weekly full circle again and guess what I say next , we were left to go shopping in the bargain basement due to the previous guy mismanaging the budget last season and thus hampering this seasons , your next line is "but the budget was the same as last season " and so on , rinse and repeat , by the way if sraha stays on track he could be the new Connor goldson 👍
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 19, 2024 11:59:05 GMT 1
I dont think Mata (or Sabowale and Iduwe) were intended to be League 1 Ready this season. He was surely meant to be our 4th striker after Udoh, Bowman and Phillips Possibly although we are a club with financial problems, have we got the luxury of spending money on players who aren't good enough for this level at this time? Besides, with all the talk from Taylor about the signings, I'd be really surprised if they weren't deemed L1 ready. And all 3 players were involved fairly on in the first team after they arrived. I'm pretty confident that Sobowale or Idowu will not be here next season. I think it's unlikely Mata will be either, unless he comes back a changed man and/or our hands are forced because we find ourselves in a O'Brien situation where no club will take him and we can't afford to pay him off I might be wrong, but I got the impression that Mata was league 1 ready and that we couldn't wait to get him started.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 19, 2024 13:57:29 GMT 1
this is the point where we have reached the weekly full circle again and guess what I say next , we were left to go shopping in the bargain basement due to the previous guy mismanaging the budget last season and thus hampering this seasons , your next line is "but the budget was the same as last season " and so on , rinse and repeat , by the way if sraha stays on track he could be the new Connor goldson 👍 Take your point on the budget and let's not go over that. But a lower budget does not have to mean that the players are not good enough for this level, many managers/coaches/scout/DOF's have the ability to identify a bargain. The challenge for Moore and the recruitment team is to do this, clearly they won't get everyone right but this season has been a disappointment success rate. Assuming everything remains in place this season (which I'm sceptical about), hopefully we will see a better success rate on the players brought in
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Post by belfastshrew on Mar 19, 2024 14:01:47 GMT 1
I'm afraid most of the youngsters we bought this season are on 1 yr contracts...they are not worth anything on a 1 yr contract.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 19, 2024 14:15:14 GMT 1
this is the point where we have reached the weekly full circle again and guess what I say next , we were left to go shopping in the bargain basement due to the previous guy mismanaging the budget last season and thus hampering this seasons , your next line is "but the budget was the same as last season " and so on , rinse and repeat , by the way if sraha stays on track he could be the new Connor goldson 👍 Take your point on the budget and let's not go over that. But a lower budget does not have to mean that the players are not good enough for this level, many managers/coaches/scout/DOF's have the ability to identify a bargain. The challenge for Moore and the recruitment team is to do this, clearly they won't get everyone right but this season has been a disappointment success rate. Assuming everything remains in place this season (which I'm sceptical about), hopefully we will see a better success rate on the players brought in So what you are trying to say is let's just buy good players , there's only one answer to that , Why are you not the dof 🤡
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Mar 19, 2024 15:46:27 GMT 1
I'm afraid most of the youngsters we bought this season are on 1 yr contracts...they are not worth anything on a 1 yr contract. Think town had 1 year additions to contract in their favour on Sraha and Sobowale. Idowu and Mata are both on longer contracts. Only 1 year/short term contracts were for the older players - Bennett, Benning, Pierre and then Tulloch more recently The only younger players town won't be able to retain are the loans, and don't think they are that bothered by them!
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 17:41:49 GMT 1
Take your point on the budget and let's not go over that. But a lower budget does not have to mean that the players are not good enough for this level, many managers/coaches/scout/DOF's have the ability to identify a bargain. The challenge for Moore and the recruitment team is to do this, clearly they won't get everyone right but this season has been a disappointment success rate. Assuming everything remains in place this season (which I'm sceptical about), hopefully we will see a better success rate on the players brought in So what you are trying to say is let's just buy good players , there's only one answer to that , Why are you not the dof 🤡 Well we have signed as our own players: Price Pierre Benning Nurse Who are not all necessarily perfect but good proven signings none the less, we still have Nurse to come back next year. It has to be a mix of old heads and young legs, and with Bloxham/Sobowale/Tulloch going forwards we have something there I think. Looking forward to next season if we get past this one...
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Post by servernaside on Mar 19, 2024 17:42:25 GMT 1
I know it's no longer the main thrust of this thread, but every time I see the title, I think someone's going to pop up with a piece of nonsense about Mata scoring a double hat-trick against the Dog & Pheasant, Dundalk.
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Post by dibblydobbly on Mar 19, 2024 17:42:28 GMT 1
I'm afraid most of the youngsters we bought this season are on 1 yr contracts...they are not worth anything on a 1 yr contract. Depends if they come with an option to extend if they do then we extend if thet are any good.
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Post by Pilch on Mar 19, 2024 18:00:34 GMT 1
I know it's no longer the main thrust of this thread, but every time I see the title, I think someone's going to pop up with a piece of nonsense about Mata scoring a double hat-trick against the Dog & Pheasant, Dundalk. the guy is on hot form at the mo , meanwhile in our side we have a guy called obrien who hasn't scored once yet , not even against eddies truck stop cafe xi , Carlisle
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 19, 2024 18:08:05 GMT 1
So what you are trying to say is let's just buy good players , there's only one answer to that , Why are you not the dof 🤡 Well we have signed as our own players: Price Pierre Benning Nurse Who are not all necessarily perfect but good proven signings none the less, we still have Nurse to come back next year. It has to be a mix of old heads and young legs, and with Bloxham/Sobowale/Tulloch going forwards we have something there I think. Looking forward to next season if we get past this one... That makes me wonder if that means Bayliss & Shipley are going ...
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