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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 12:24:19 GMT 1
Isnβt that the point? The manager says who he wants and then goes off to train up the players we have already for the next match while MM does the dirty business of negotiating with agents, etc.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 17, 2024 12:33:04 GMT 1
Isnβt that the point? The manager says who he wants and then goes off to train up the players we have already for the next match while MM does the dirty business of negotiating with agents, etc. Maybe sometimes he even has to negotiate with the manager to free up a contracted player for a transfer while they still have a transfer value - bring someone else in. We do have a habit of letting our Penningtons, Udohs, etc. reach the end of their contract and leave for nothing.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 13:03:16 GMT 1
I can guarantee that Moore had a hell of a lot of input into the Perry signing.moore scouted him at wolves,then had him at Cheltenham on loan.did anyone from our club check up on his stats,before signing him... I'll bet his scoring record there was very poor,for appearances made....... who's good at finding out these things? ?
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Post by tarporleyblue on Feb 17, 2024 13:13:08 GMT 1
I can guarantee that Moore had a hell of a lot of input into the Perry signing.moore scouted him at wolves,then had him at Cheltenham on loan.did anyone from our club check up on his stats,before signing him... I'll bet his scoring record there was very poor,for appearances made....... who's good at finding out these things? ? We didn't jump in and sign him straight away, he was on trial with us for a time so there must have been some question marks as to whether or not he was right for us.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 13:15:49 GMT 1
But we still signed him.....I bet it was on Moore's say so.... guaranteed
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 17, 2024 14:01:20 GMT 1
I can guarantee that Moore had a hell of a lot of input into the Perry signing.moore scouted him at wolves,then had him at Cheltenham on loan.did anyone from our club check up on his stats,before signing him... I'll bet his scoring record there was very poor,for appearances made....... who's good at finding out these things? ? A failed signing so far, but his career isn't over yet. How many times have we had failed signings who go on to be top players? Something must have been seen in him.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 14:24:59 GMT 1
Hurst dropped him straight awayπ€·π€·
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 14:26:44 GMT 1
Oh well thatβs that then.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 17, 2024 14:31:49 GMT 1
Hurst dropped him straight awayπ€·π€·
A Hurst pre season will either shape him up or ship him out.
Just because Hurst drops you doesn't have to be the end.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 14:51:28 GMT 1
Yep...... we'll see who's got the ' bottle'and who hasn't....... regardless if we're in league 1 or 2
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 17, 2024 15:05:01 GMT 1
I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This is the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Do you think Hurst and Doig would be able to get more influence in that than say Taylor did or Cotterill would have? It seems Hurst loans players from the Premiership and finds a number of permanent signings from Non-League, Taylor loaned players from the Championship and bought from the League of Ireland. Cotterill loaned from the Premiership and Championship and seemed to poach Championship Squads, Coventry and Sunderland. I think Hurst only signed one player on loan from the Premier League in his first spell here (Henderson). The rest was from the Championship. We don't know how much sway Taylor did have. He knew Thorpe and Phillips before, but he did seem quite passive in general towards Moore et al, and I think that inexperience undermined his on the field and off it. Cotterill is entirely different. I think this current regime exists to remove control from the manager due to the fallout RW had with Caldwell and Cotterill. Hurst won't be given free reign to do whatever he wants. And i don't think will be allowed to sign the pedigree of players and wages attached that Cotterill did. So yeah, i think the impression is that Hurst and Doig will be more involved because they have a clearer picture of what they need. But also I think there would have been discussions that they don't have full control, and are part of a team involved. But then it's hard to say how much different that will be compared to his first spell here. Town still had Caldwell back then to handle budget and negotiations and a recruitment team too. I doubt Hurst is or was identifying that many players. He will identify areas of need, and then its the scouting team to come up with options and put them to Hurst/Doig.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 17, 2024 15:08:14 GMT 1
Cannot see that set up lasting beyond the end of the season. I'm sure that Hurst and Doug will decide who is coming in as they did last time. Sure that Roland will trust the two of them ahead of any plan that Moore may have Probably right. In which case Moore may as well pick up his P45 on Monday and save on his wages. The thing is, if Moore goes, who does the negotiations with players and agents etc? Dooley has no experience with that at all by the looks. His background is purely commercial and never involved in this at all. Previous CEOs would have been heavily involved in this, but that was their background. Dooley's job description presumably looks different to their because Moore exists. I don't think you can get rid of his role entirely
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 17, 2024 15:10:08 GMT 1
I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This i Aa s the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Cannot see that set up lasting beyond the end of the season. I'm sure that Hurst and Doug will decide who is coming in as they did last time. Sure that Roland will trust the two of them ahead of any plan that Moore may have Just said on my post above that I'm not sure it's that easy. And Moore was hired by RW. I'm not convinced he is ready to chuck that entire new structure in the bin. Hurst has been hired with presumably an agreement to work with Moore. It's up to both of them to make that work
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 15:22:11 GMT 1
It's easy sorted......just change moores job description to " chief scout".... because basically that's what it is!!!......job doneππ
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 15:39:06 GMT 1
No it isnβt because he also does all the negotiating leaving the manager to concentrate on his role of keeping the team up and keeping them fit.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 15:45:08 GMT 1
Ok...chief scout....with a bit of paperwork in volved.......howzatππ.....sortedππ
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 15:47:26 GMT 1
Except if you are dealing with agents and other clubs somehow Director of Football holds more sway than Chief Scout as it indicates some knowledge of finance!
It may not be right but I fear thatβs how it is. Sometimes we just have to play the game with other tricky customers.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 16:50:29 GMT 1
And more waste of money involved.... Get the cleaner to deal with the agentsππππ
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 17, 2024 17:00:17 GMT 1
Ok...chief scout....with a bit of paperwork in volved.......howzatππ.....sortedππ Paper work that can cost the club a lot of money. Director of Football, driving a hard bargain with agents, other clubs and even our own head coach.
Compare to the manager role, perhaps especially under SC, It appeared Steve identified someone (expensive) he wanted, Brian did his best to sign them up. With a DofF our cloth is cut to suit our budget.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 17:03:56 GMT 1
I can't understand posters on here.....one minute they don't want a DOF,next minute they do.......make your minds upπ€π€π€π€¦π€¦
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 18:05:55 GMT 1
Iβm happy to be honest here. I have been critical of the appointment but now I think we need someone to do the administrative stuff leaving the coaching team to get on with their job.
There is a huge job to be done to keep us up and apparently we have the right team to do so. I hope this is correct.
Someone qualified to do this shouldnβt have to be spending time negotiating so I am happy for the moment to see how it goes.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 18:31:37 GMT 1
What do secretaries do???π€·π€·π€·ππ
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 17, 2024 19:27:13 GMT 1
The other two league of Ireland guys didn't even make the bench today, hardly a glowing endorsement is it.
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Post by suttonshrew on Feb 17, 2024 19:47:27 GMT 1
i think its fair to say (from what i've seen) Liam is a commercial CEO, so we need someone to oversee the footballing side of things, that said given the poor signings we have made i think scouting and player choice should be left to PH and CD
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Post by ssshrew on Feb 17, 2024 20:24:33 GMT 1
What do secretaries do???π€·π€·π€·ππ As a retired one - a hell of a lot!
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 17, 2024 20:34:08 GMT 1
There you are then!!!ππ
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 18, 2024 13:21:18 GMT 1
Anything is better than Bebb doing the paperwork π
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 18, 2024 13:36:32 GMT 1
Well that's true!!!π€¦π€¦π€¦
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 18, 2024 14:28:28 GMT 1
What do secretaries do???π€·π€·π€·ππ I don't think Roland has changed into someone who wants to splash the cash on filling roles that can be covered by someone already? That's good enough for me.
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Post by chirkshrew on Feb 18, 2024 14:51:54 GMT 1
And that is how it should be!!!.but I can't understand why he went for a D.O.F.....and a couple more under him....it all costs money.....how much is Mickey Moore on,and the others beneath him???π€π€
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