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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 15, 2024 16:57:50 GMT 1
How long a contract did he sign?
Is he with us next season? I'd guess PH will decide over the next few months if he is one to work with to try to improve him to what we need.
These players from Ireland are never likely to be L1 ready, they are players with potential. Some will work, some wont and will be low cost. They are players to work on a bit like we had to with Udoh.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 15, 2024 17:11:37 GMT 1
How long a contract did he sign? Is he with us next season? I'd guess PH will decide over the next few months if he is one to work with to try to improve him to what we need. These players from Ireland are never likely to be L1 ready, they are players with potential. Some will work, some wont and will be low cost. They are players to work on a bit like we had to with Udoh. A 3 year deal. I'm reading lots of claims the fee was in the region of £100k which I'm amazed at
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 15, 2024 17:13:02 GMT 1
How long a contract did he sign? Is he with us next season? I'd guess PH will decide over the next few months if he is one to work with to try to improve him to what we need. These players from Ireland are never likely to be L1 ready, they are players with potential. Some will work, some wont and will be low cost. They are players to work on a bit like we had to with Udoh. A 3 year deal. I'm reading lots of claims the fee was in the region of £100k which I'm amazed at Got told it was €100k, makes sense.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 15, 2024 17:15:29 GMT 1
Last weve seen of Mata in a Salop shirt i suspect , gap in standard too much for him , had a couple of decent moments but hes not good enough for this level. Everyone used to think that about Udoh too.
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Post by pughywasfree on Feb 15, 2024 17:17:01 GMT 1
A 3 year deal. I'm reading lots of claims the fee was in the region of £100k which I'm amazed at Got told it was €100k, makes sense. Surely it would be 100k including add-ons. It would be stupid to pay that much for a unproven striker. Actually after writing that I now think you might be right.
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Post by rickyspanish on Feb 15, 2024 17:35:41 GMT 1
Isn't this the only striker Micky Moore has ever signed for our club.
I really hope that charlatan of a director of football is gone in the summer.
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Post by gtismygod on Feb 15, 2024 17:42:47 GMT 1
Was never going to work, unfortunately.
The majority of his goals in Ireland were towering headers, but we didn’t play with any width or even any proper wide players until PH came in. There were simply no crosses and no service.
I feel as though he’d definitely fare better in the current system though. Hopefully he goes out, bags some goals, then comes back raring to go in the summer, and gets given another chance.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Feb 15, 2024 17:45:45 GMT 1
I hope we've not given up on him yet and that he's work in progress.
Fingers crossed he comes back in the Summer and then kicks on...
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 15, 2024 18:21:45 GMT 1
He'd benefit at least from game time.
Said it before on another thread but comparing Mata to someone line Lyle Taylor or Macauley Bonne.
Cambridge must have a similar budget and yet Micky Moore is looking around the Emerald Isle for Rough Diamonds.
Is Moore a Moneyball kind of Scout?
Will be interesting to see the fate of Bowman and Udoh under Hurst (Who I think likes a bulky centre forward like Carlton Morris or Stefan Payne).
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 15, 2024 21:01:01 GMT 1
He'd benefit at least from game time. Said it before on another thread but comparing Mata to someone line Lyle Taylor or Macauley Bonne. Cambridge must have a similar budget and yet Micky Moore is looking around the Emerald Isle for Rough Diamonds. Is Moore a Moneyball kind of Scout? Will be interesting to see the fate of Bowman and Udoh under Hurst (Who I think likes a bulky centre forward like Carlton Morris or Stefan Payne). Would Udoh benefit from a bulky forward like Morris. I'd sort of think so.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 15, 2024 23:17:59 GMT 1
Udoh might be able to fill the role that John Nolan did under Hurst, Yes.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 15, 2024 23:37:18 GMT 1
Udoh might be able to fill the role that John Nolan did under Hurst, Yes. Thats the way I was thinking.
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 15, 2024 23:39:42 GMT 1
How long a contract did he sign? Is he with us next season? I'd guess PH will decide over the next few months if he is one to work with to try to improve him to what we need. These players from Ireland are never likely to be L1 ready, they are players with potential. Some will work, some wont and will be low cost. They are players to work on a bit like we had to with Udoh. A 3 year deal. I'm reading lots of claims the fee was in the region of £100k which I'm amazed at Wasn't Shipley 40K - A guy who has to put a shift in for two seasons out of position on the wide left. - I'm guessing the Leahy fee was paid for Mata?
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 15, 2024 23:42:32 GMT 1
He must be pants in training. I actually think he has been unlucky this season. He has had to deal with negative tactics and terrible service when he has been in the side. He had nobody to link up with and his confidence a hit. He finally scored a goal then was kept out of the team as Bowman scored a hatrick. I defo think there is a decent striker in there. He is deceptively good in the air, has a good footballing brain and works hard. I am surprised Bowman has been preferred to him when I doubt Bowman will be here next season but Mata most likely will be. Bowman does score goals though, hat-tricks when he's on a roll, he's scored more goals against Notts County than Mata did in half a season.
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Post by martinshrew on Feb 16, 2024 0:42:19 GMT 1
We should be after the Nolan from Accy, looks pure class.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 16, 2024 9:04:29 GMT 1
Clearly Hurst has decided he is not good enough as he goes back to his old team on a season long loan. Tony be fair to him I think he would benefit more from our new style of playing with more balls on the ground than the hoof it up the park approach used by Taylor. I was surprised by this news considering how thin on the ground we are with forwards.
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Feb 16, 2024 10:20:03 GMT 1
I think this is a win/win situation here. Out of favour forward gets guaranteed game time, might get confidence back and bang in a few goals and we get a fit and ready striker at the start of next season who wants to prove people wrong! Or, he is actually pants and this is another nail in MM’s coffin!
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Post by ProudSalopian on Feb 16, 2024 10:30:40 GMT 1
I guess the question is does Hurst think there is a capable striker in there and wants to give him game time to rebuild his confidence or does he think he's simply not up to this level and is sending him on loan because that is the only way to get rid of him (at this present time).
If it's the latter then we have a player who has 2.5 years left on his contact that we don't rate so realistically we are likely to have to pay off to get rid of him. Let's hope he comes back the player that Moore/Taylor spoke about.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Feb 16, 2024 15:48:44 GMT 1
When Hurst came to an extent his hands were tied, with very little time left in the transfer window and having to do he could the best of squad picked by Moore and Taylor.
At the end of the season it will interesting to see out of the players Moore brought in who Hurst rates and who go out on loan or put in the shop window
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 16, 2024 16:12:13 GMT 1
I guess the question is does Hurst think there is a capable striker in there and wants to give him game time to rebuild his confidence or does he think he's simply not up to this level and is sending him on loan because that is the only way to get rid of him (at this present time). If it's the latter then we have a player who has 2.5 years left on his contact that we don't rate so realistically we are likely to have to pay off to get rid of him. Let's hope he comes back the player that Moore/Taylor spoke about. He's also had a few weeks of the Hurst regime, so he knows what's expected of him fitness, craft and work wise to come back " doing a Bloxham".
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 16, 2024 16:38:01 GMT 1
When Hurst came to an extent his hands were tied, with very little time left in the transfer window and having to do he could the best of squad picked by Moore and Taylor. At the end of the season it will interesting to see out of the players Moore brought in who Hurst rates and who go out on loan or put in the shop window It will be a very interesting summer of transfer activity that's for sure.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Feb 16, 2024 16:51:25 GMT 1
I wonder how well we scout the national league's for potential prospects?
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 16, 2024 18:11:07 GMT 1
I wonder how well we scout the national league's for potential prospects? I'd like to think its Hurst and Doig that send the scouts out, they do the work etc and then it goes from there.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Feb 16, 2024 19:11:22 GMT 1
I wonder how well we scout the national league's for potential prospects? I'd like to think its Hurst and Doig that send the scouts out, they do the work etc and then it goes from there. I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This is the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 16, 2024 19:26:30 GMT 1
I'd like to think its Hurst and Doig that send the scouts out, they do the work etc and then it goes from there. I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This is the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Especially until safety or end of season has been achieved!
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Post by mrcricket on Feb 16, 2024 20:31:47 GMT 1
I'd like to think its Hurst and Doig that send the scouts out, they do the work etc and then it goes from there. I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This is the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Do you think Hurst and Doig would be able to get more influence in that than say Taylor did or Cotterill would have? It seems Hurst loans players from the Premiership and finds a number of permanent signings from Non-League, Taylor loaned players from the Championship and bought from the League of Ireland. Cotterill loaned from the Premiership and Championship and seemed to poach Championship Squads, Coventry and Sunderland.
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Post by lynch on Feb 16, 2024 21:50:51 GMT 1
Mata starts for Rovers tonight who line up 4-2-3-1.
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Feb 16, 2024 22:15:03 GMT 1
I'd like to think its Hurst and Doig that send the scouts out, they do the work etc and then it goes from there. I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This i Aa s the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Cannot see that set up lasting beyond the end of the season. I'm sure that Hurst and Doug will decide who is coming in as they did last time. Sure that Roland will trust the two of them ahead of any plan that Moore may have
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Feb 16, 2024 22:18:52 GMT 1
I'm sure they are included, but town have a head of recruitment and a director of football. This i Aa s the point of their role is finding appropriate players. Scouts role and scope will be determined by Ware and Moore I'm sure. Hurst and Doigs primary role is coaching the players. Cannot see that set up lasting beyond the end of the season. I'm sure that Hurst and Doug will decide who is coming in as they did last time. Sure that Roland will trust the two of them ahead of any plan that Moore may have Probably right. In which case Moore may as well pick up his P45 on Monday and save on his wages.
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Post by staffordshrew on Feb 17, 2024 12:15:33 GMT 1
Cannot see that set up lasting beyond the end of the season. I'm sure that Hurst and Doug will decide who is coming in as they did last time. Sure that Roland will trust the two of them ahead of any plan that Moore may have Probably right. In which case Moore may as well pick up his P45 on Monday and save on his wages. Travis Hernes, that's how Moore earns his wages. Comes out of the academy, offered a professional contract, starts a couple of times for us, then big fat cheque from Newcastle. That's the way we have to work. Steve C would have ignored him, don't think Hursty would have unlocked that deal either.
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