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Post by ProudSalopian on Jul 12, 2023 17:04:51 GMT 1
Obviously a great shame that we have lost our best two players from last season in Pennington and Leahy but hopefully we will be regaining two of our best players from the previous season in Udoh and Nurse so really cant see us being any worse off and with the quality already in the squad plus two or three new additions I really cant see us finishing any lower in the league than last season. Much too much negativity on this board before a ball has even been kicked. Roland is taking the club down a new route after having his fingers burned by SC. 100% support from us shouldnt be too much to ask. I am sure SC will be sitting at home willing us to fail. Lets not join him. We are not a bottom four club and if Danny comes back with anything like the form he was in before being injured I expect us to be comfortable in mid table. Obviously this is your opinion and I hope you are right, but just to pick up on a few points: "I really cant see us finishing any lower in the league than last season" - I hope you are right but we have seen many of the first eleven leave, more potentially going and have a drastically reduced the budget, therefore I'm expecting a lower finish. "100% support from us shouldnt be too much to ask" - From my side, yes I support the club 100%. It doesn't mean I can't question things that go on at the club, particularly when many of those things are not explained to fans " I am sure SC will be sitting at home willing us to fail. Lets not join him" - I have no idea whether SC will be doing that, but I'm certainly not and I can't imagine many will. I'm guessing even the opening poster doesn't want us to fail. "We are not a bottom four club" - Time will tell, but again going back to budget, we were 18th last season and it's been slashed. Therefore on budget alone, we arent far from being a bottom for club.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 12, 2023 17:31:35 GMT 1
Whilst iv been concerned by what is happening with the club, It does feel we are back to square one and so the first year will be yet another year of rebuilding. My view at the start of every season is let us see how the team is performing after ten to twelve games.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2023 17:33:21 GMT 1
Just a friendly question to all the doom mongers. If you were looking to take this manager's/coaching job and then purely out of interest decided to take a look at the social media views on being appointed. How would you feel? Every negative comment is a pin being stuck in. I know I wouldn't bother especially as the naysayers haven't seen any evidence to warrant that opinion. I will be one of the first to question his appointment whe results go consistently wrong Are many questioning the manager? I've seen little evidence to support your outburst. I think you'll find they're questioning those above him, in particular the man at the top. Given his track record, is it any wonder? You're in a shrinking minority of those who just don't care and blindly follow; with economic and other pressures, a growing majority are rightly starting to question the club and the way it's being run.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2023 17:43:30 GMT 1
Another player who'll be like a new signing next season to compliment Udoh & Nurse is Bowman.
His dropping from the side mid-season coincided with breaking SC's Covid curfew. I've been told even last season SC had the players on a Covid curfew and Bowman was out "later than allowed" which resulted in him being fined two weeks wages and dropped from the team. The relationship went downhill from there.
Apparently since SC has gone, him & O'Brien have been the best two in preseason training.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 12, 2023 17:47:40 GMT 1
Sorry Martinshrew not having that and I will rise to that. I care and my eyes are open I have and will continue to follow my team. Your criticism will achieve nothing get off your pedestal and wish our club the best. I don't need to be lectured.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 12, 2023 17:47:56 GMT 1
Bowman will do a job, the season before last did he not score 14/15 goals, which is not a bad return, hopefully a good few more this season👍👍
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2023 19:01:01 GMT 1
Sorry Martinshrew not having that and I will rise to that. I care and my eyes are open I have and will continue to follow my team. Your criticism will achieve nothing get off your pedestal and wish our club the best. I don't need to be lectured. You understand that's there's a possibly you can wish our club the best, and question the leadership at the same time? I'm happy with the new structure, just not the track record of the owner when it comes to new things. He's overseen numerous poor senior appointments, numerous directors/sponsors left abruptly, a new ground with issues that had to be fixed by mainly fan groups after a nearly a decade. I hope we have a good season and end up selling a couple of young talents for a million quid, I just don't trust the owner to deliver given his track record.
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 12, 2023 19:22:00 GMT 1
Martinshrew I don't disagree with what you have just said. I just disagree with your previous tone. I will continue to like your likable posts and ignore those I disagree with unless they wind me up. We mostly are on the same page anyway. Happy days
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 19:26:00 GMT 1
Happy days, I hope so, I really do.
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Post by dachshund on Jul 12, 2023 19:45:25 GMT 1
Just a friendly question to all the doom mongers. If you were looking to take this manager's/coaching job and then purely out of interest decided to take a look at the social media views on being appointed. How would you feel? Every negative comment is a pin being stuck in. I know I wouldn't bother especially as the naysayers haven't seen any evidence to warrant that opinion. I will be one of the first to question his appointment whe results go consistently wrong I don’t remember any of our previous managers coming in and saying ‘I’ve been told we’re playing a certain formation’. I’ve been through some absolutely s**t times - the second half of the Fred Davies relegation stands out, along with most of the Ratcliffe era - and I’ll be there after this. But we’re going down, the vanity project of a deluded old man who is now only hiring people who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 12, 2023 19:49:16 GMT 1
What about the last 10/12 games of the cotterill era, absolutely pathetic!!!!🤔🤔🤦☹️
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Post by Pilch on Jul 12, 2023 19:49:53 GMT 1
Just a friendly question to all the doom mongers. If you were looking to take this manager's/coaching job and then purely out of interest decided to take a look at the social media views on being appointed. How would you feel? Every negative comment is a pin being stuck in. I know I wouldn't bother especially as the naysayers haven't seen any evidence to warrant that opinion. I will be one of the first to question his appointment whe results go consistently wrong I don’t remember any of our previous managers coming in and saying ‘I’ve been told we’re playing a certain formation’. thats because he's our first ever head coach if you cannot grasp that, pretend you are Wilbraham arriving ,and cotterill telling you what formation we will be playing ;-)
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2023 19:50:00 GMT 1
What about the last 10/12 games of the cotterill era, absolutely pathetic!!!!🤔🤔🤦☹️ They were pretty dreadful!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 19:51:30 GMT 1
Just a friendly question to all the doom mongers. If you were looking to take this manager's/coaching job and then purely out of interest decided to take a look at the social media views on being appointed. How would you feel? Every negative comment is a pin being stuck in. I know I wouldn't bother especially as the naysayers haven't seen any evidence to warrant that opinion. I will be one of the first to question his appointment whe results go consistently wrong who is now only hiring people who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear. If it does go pear shaped (hopefully not) the paying customers will certainly be telling Roland exactly what he wont want to hear!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 12, 2023 19:52:39 GMT 1
What about the last 10/12 games of the cotterill era, absolutely pathetic!!!!🤔🤔🤦☹️ dont flatter them, it wasn't even that good
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Post by Pilch on Jul 12, 2023 19:54:19 GMT 1
who is now only hiring people who will tell him exactly what he wants to hear. If it does go pear shaped (hopefully not) the paying customers will certainly be telling Roland exactly what he wont want to hear! what if it goes well ? what will we moan about then ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2023 19:55:05 GMT 1
If it does go pear shaped (hopefully not) the paying customers will certainly be telling Roland exactly what he wont want to hear! what if it goes well ? what will we moan about then ? I'm sure we will find something, like the beer in Smithy's is too warm/cold, the toilets wont flush, I can't get a ticket for the 5th round cup game...
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 12, 2023 20:06:08 GMT 1
If it does go pear shaped (hopefully not) the paying customers will certainly be telling Roland exactly what he wont want to hear! what if it goes well ? what will we moan about then ? I hope it goes well, the theory behind it will see us more structured and making more money on transfers if all goes really well. It's the right model in the modern game in my opinion, I just have reservations about the chairman which I don't think are unreasonable given his track record.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 13, 2023 9:06:56 GMT 1
Obviously a great shame that we have lost our best two players from last season in Pennington and Leahy but hopefully we will be regaining two of our best players from the previous season in Udoh and Nurse so really cant see us being any worse off and with the quality already in the squad plus two or three new additions I really cant see us finishing any lower in the league than last season. Much too much negativity on this board before a ball has even been kicked. Roland is taking the club down a new route after having his fingers burned by SC. 100% support from us shouldnt be too much to ask. I am sure SC will be sitting at home willing us to fail. Lets not join him. We are not a bottom four club and if Danny comes back with anything like the form he was in before being injured I expect us to be comfortable in mid table. Obviously this is your opinion and I hope you are right, but just to pick up on a few points: "I really cant see us finishing any lower in the league than last season" - I hope you are right but we have seen many of the first eleven leave, more potentially going and have a drastically reduced the budget, therefore I'm expecting a lower finish. "100% support from us shouldnt be too much to ask" - From my side, yes I support the club 100%. It doesn't mean I can't question things that go on at the club, particularly when many of those things are not explained to fans " I am sure SC will be sitting at home willing us to fail. Lets not join him" - I have no idea whether SC will be doing that, but I'm certainly not and I can't imagine many will. I'm guessing even the opening poster doesn't want us to fail. "We are not a bottom four club" - Time will tell, but again going back to budget, we were 18th last season and it's been slashed. Therefore on budget alone, we arent far from being a bottom for club. Football is very much about opinions and I too hope I am right but I will admit that in my opinion two of my favourite people to hold top positions at the club over the years have been Ian McNeil and Brian Caldwell. By all accounts both came close to bankrupting the club. I can therefore accept that my opinion wont really count for much and I wont be placing any bets at the bookmakers.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 13, 2023 9:54:48 GMT 1
It was fun with McNeil while it lasted tho!!!!😀😀
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Post by wurlitzer on Jul 13, 2023 10:14:19 GMT 1
Got a feeling that if we lose 0-2 or worse to Cheltenham for our first game the heat will be well and truly on. No pressure then ;-)
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 13, 2023 10:18:17 GMT 1
It was fun with McNeil while it lasted tho!!!!😀😀
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 13, 2023 10:21:29 GMT 1
Got a feeling that if we lose 0-2 or worse to Cheltenham for our first game the heat will be well and truly on. No pressure then ;-) I do feel the knives will be sharpening if we lose the first game. We need a win in one of the first 2 or 3 at least.
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Post by wakemanender on Jul 13, 2023 10:23:37 GMT 1
Have to admit that my favorite period as a town supporter was when Ian McNeil was manager which shows that even the bad times can be good.
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Post by block12massive on Jul 13, 2023 10:24:31 GMT 1
The only other times we've gone into a season and I've felt as underwhelmed and full of dread as I do now, were Mellon's final summer where every signing we made that summer was plodder after plodder and Turner's last hurrah where we started the season with 'John Marsden' as our only recognised striker and we subsequently got relegated.
In both of those instances we started slowly and the manager didn't see out the season.
A slow start this time round and somehow I don't think Taylor/Moore will be granted the same level of patience Turner or Mellon were.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 13, 2023 10:30:54 GMT 1
A slow start this time round and somehow I don't think Taylor/Moore will be granted the same level of patience Turner or Mellon were. It's s**t or bust for Roland, if he gets this wrong the vast majority are going to turn on him quickly and rightly so. Just how many dreadful appointments at managerial and senior level can one oversee? His record of appointments is abysmal at best.
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Post by secretshrew on Jul 13, 2023 10:54:00 GMT 1
After the initial feeling of pessimism on Leahy leaving I think we’ll be okay next season. Looking through the squad shows that we have enough quality players to do ok without him & Pennington.
My only worry now is getting a goal scorer as the last 2-3 seasons we’ve been really light on goals. However, if we’re playing a more passing game I’m hoping we’ll create more & thus score more.
Perhaps Shipley & Bayliss will play with the handbrake off …
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Post by chirkshrew on Jul 13, 2023 11:35:46 GMT 1
Yes, them 2 need to play with the handbrake off, you'll never win many games without some kind of attacking intent, especially away from home.we were poor away from home last season, due to an ultra defensive set-up
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Post by kenwood on Jul 13, 2023 11:39:06 GMT 1
The only other times we've gone into a season and I've felt as underwhelmed and full of dread as I do now, were Mellon's final summer where every signing we made that summer was plodder after plodder and Turner's last hurrah where we started the season with 'John Marsden' as our only recognised striker and we subsequently got relegated. In both of those instances we started slowly and the manager didn't see out the season. A slow start this time round and somehow I don't think Taylor/Moore will be granted the same level of patience Turner or Mellon were. I don’t know so much . It means RW recognising the “ fact “ that he has made yet another bad decision . I think he will hold fire until things become really s**tty. Getting rid of another Managerial team , let’s put it that way, will see us fast becoming another Watford , a revolving door of Managers /Coaches leaving behind an autocratic Chairman thrashing around like something demented trying to find the key to success whilst blaming everyone within earshot. No, I think our current team will get time to solve the problem , if indeed there is one. I truly hope they succeed and that we have a good season which I consider to be in the top half of League 1 maybe even flirting with a play off place . We will see .
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Post by hectord0g137 on Jul 13, 2023 11:52:45 GMT 1
In the second coming of Graham Turner, didn't he leave of his own accord? I vaguely recall Roland saying he wanted him to stay. I wasn't in the country at the time so I may be wide of the mark, oh and the poster who said about the Mc Niel era yes magnificent times
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