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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2024 14:02:21 GMT 1
Immingrants are generally young, fit and able and ready to join the workforce, contributing to the economy.
The main group sucking the life out of the NHS are the excessive smokers, drinkers and drug takers who are too stupid, or too addicted, to realise the damage they are doing to themselves and expect the NHS to come to the rescue. You can add in the chance taking drivers we all encounter too.
When I was at school, sex education included graphic pictures of the ravages of sexually transmitted infections. I'd now be showing the kids graphic images, and discussion from those suffering the loss of loved ones, of road accidents, smokers lungs, the oxygen bottles they need to survive, the drink destroyed livers and the 40 year olds needing their hips replaced because of drugs.
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The NHS
Mar 29, 2024 15:08:45 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Mar 29, 2024 15:08:45 GMT 1
anyway, lets gat back to topic, NHS
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2024 15:12:06 GMT 1
Working age fit people benefit the economy, tax payers or not. Germany had times when they welcomed immigrants as their workforce got older to keep their economy going. I know we don't want to make those small boat incomers welcome, (record numbers I see, despite Rishi's promises), but it's a crying shame that they mooch around in hotels when they could be contributing to looking after our aging population.
(Sorry Pilch, hadn't seen your post above. But fact remains, more fit workers equals more money for those using the NHS.)
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 29, 2024 15:15:26 GMT 1
and throw obesity into the mix... "Obesity is a major public health problem in England and globally (Source: World Health Organization). In adults, overweight and obesity are associated with life-limiting conditions, such as Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers. The burden on the National Health Service (NHS) due to obesity and related illnesses is well recognised. The monetary cost each year, uplifted for inflation, was estimated at £6.1 billion in 2019 (Source: Department of Health and Social Care)". digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/health-survey-for-england/2021/overweight-and-obesity-in-adults
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2024 15:19:03 GMT 1
and throw obesity into the mix... "Obesity is a major public health problem in England and globally (Source: World Health Organization). In adults, overweight and obesity are associated with life-limiting conditions, such as Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers. The burden on the National Health Service (NHS) due to obesity and related illnesses is well recognised. The monetary cost each year, uplifted for inflation, was estimated at £6.1 billion in 2019 (Source: Department of Health and Social Care)". digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/health-survey-for-england/2021/overweight-and-obesity-in-adults You'll do your back in, throwing the obese into the mix!
McDonalds "Happy meals" have a lot to answer for in getting our kids to think of food like that as a "treat".
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Post by davycrockett on Mar 29, 2024 15:31:06 GMT 1
and throw obesity into the mix... "Obesity is a major public health problem in England and globally (Source: World Health Organization). In adults, overweight and obesity are associated with life-limiting conditions, such as Type 2 diabetes, cardiovascular disease, and some cancers. The burden on the National Health Service (NHS) due to obesity and related illnesses is well recognised. The monetary cost each year, uplifted for inflation, was estimated at £6.1 billion in 2019 (Source: Department of Health and Social Care)". digital.nhs.uk/data-and-information/publications/statistical/health-survey-for-england/2021/overweight-and-obesity-in-adults You'll do your back in, throwing the obese into the mix!
McDonalds "Happy meals" have a lot to answer for in getting our kids to think of food like that as a "treat".
Parents not McDonalds
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The NHS
Mar 29, 2024 15:48:20 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2024 15:48:20 GMT 1
You'll do your back in, throwing the obese into the mix!
McDonalds "Happy meals" have a lot to answer for in getting our kids to think of food like that as a "treat".
Parents not McDonalds Well, parenthood may have slipped a bit, but try telling yours "No" when all the kids are getting it!
Could also add parenting skills and diet to the education of well rounded individuals, instead of 10 GCSE crammed clones?
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Post by salop27 on Mar 30, 2024 9:30:00 GMT 1
At the end of the day unfortunately we're all screwed when it comes to anything long-term in the UK just down to how politics works. The money is in the NHS already to provide a much better service but politicians aren't brave enough to suggest the changes needed.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 30, 2024 9:54:10 GMT 1
I would urge people to look to the information available as I don't think its simply a case of more workers means more revenue and therefore more money for such things as the NHS. It very much depends on the age, skills and earnings as to whether someone is a net benefit or cost to an economy.
And as for Germany, as mentioned in the article I linked to, over 40% of those on Hartz 4 do not hold a German passport. I think it comes down to the type of immigration, hence why the Tories spoke of selective high skill, high wage immigration. However, that is not what they delivered. Over the last five years, net migration to the UK from outside of Europe stood at around two million people and just 15% came for work. All of which, I gather, places additional pressure on services and infrastructure, including the NHS, whilst most will be a net cost, rather than a net benefit, to the economy. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over time.
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 30, 2024 13:49:49 GMT 1
I would urge people to look to the information available as I don't think its simply a case of more workers means more revenue and therefore more money for such things as the NHS. It very much depends on the age, skills and earnings as to whether someone is a net benefit or cost to an economy. And as for Germany, as mentioned in the article I linked to, over 40% of those on Hartz 4 do not hold a German passport. I think it comes down to the type of immigration, hence why the Tories spoke of selective high skill, high wage immigration. However, that is not what they delivered. Over the last five years, net migration to the UK from outside of Europe stood at around two million people and just 15% came for work. All of which, I gather, places additional pressure on services and infrastructure, including the NHS, whilst most will be a net cost, rather than a net benefit, to the economy. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over time. Interesting isn’t the word I’d use personally - trepidation and dread more like! Dont worry though - Sir Keir and the wonderful Labour Party are going to sort it all out soon! Sunny uplands await us all
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 17:24:15 GMT 1
I would urge people to look to the information available as I don't think its simply a case of more workers means more revenue and therefore more money for such things as the NHS. It very much depends on the age, skills and earnings as to whether someone is a net benefit or cost to an economy. And as for Germany, as mentioned in the article I linked to, over 40% of those on Hartz 4 do not hold a German passport. I think it comes down to the type of immigration, hence why the Tories spoke of selective high skill, high wage immigration. However, that is not what they delivered. Over the last five years, net migration to the UK from outside of Europe stood at around two million people and just 15% came for work. All of which, I gather, places additional pressure on services and infrastructure, including the NHS, whilst most will be a net cost, rather than a net benefit, to the economy. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over time. Interesting isn’t the word I’d use personally - trepidation and dread more like! Dont worry though - Sir Keir and the wonderful Labour Party are going to sort it all out soon! Sunny uplands await us all I thought Brexit and Johnson already promised to deliver on that. Did I miss something? Funny how you fail to realise that your lot has been in power for 14 years and pretty much everything has got worse, but hey let's all point the finger at Labour.
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 30, 2024 18:52:18 GMT 1
Interesting isn’t the word I’d use personally - trepidation and dread more like! Dont worry though - Sir Keir and the wonderful Labour Party are going to sort it all out soon! Sunny uplands await us all I thought Brexit and Johnson already promised to deliver on that. Did I miss something? Funny how you fail to realise that your lot has been in power for 14 years and pretty much everything has got worse, but hey let's all point the finger at Labour. They most certainly are not “my lot”, this Government has been an absolute shambles and I certainly won’t be voting for them later this year. My vote is dependant on performance, unlike some… How am I pointing the finger at Labour? I’ve said I can’t wait for life to be great again under them
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The NHS
Mar 30, 2024 19:11:28 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2024 19:11:28 GMT 1
I thought Brexit and Johnson already promised to deliver on that. Did I miss something? Funny how you fail to realise that your lot has been in power for 14 years and pretty much everything has got worse, but hey let's all point the finger at Labour. They most certainly are not “my lot”, this Government has been an absolute shambles and I certainly won’t be voting for them later this year. My vote is dependant on performance, unlike some… How am I pointing the finger at Labour? I’ve said I can’t wait for life to be great again under them you know how blue and amber works, if you criticise labour you are a tory I am too apparently, despite never voting for them, never will , and demanding Boris got the sack for his parties equally, I also thought kier having a curry and a pint for exactly no different , so not a tory, not a, actually what's labours version of tory ? whatever it is im not that, I've only ever voted Labour, last time I did it was for Paul Marsden who immediately signed for someone else, I've not voted since and not plan to this time around, I did however vote leave ;-)
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The NHS
Mar 30, 2024 20:25:46 GMT 1
Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 20:25:46 GMT 1
I would urge people to look to the information available as I don't think its simply a case of more workers means more revenue and therefore more money for such things as the NHS. It very much depends on the age, skills and earnings as to whether someone is a net benefit or cost to an economy. And as for Germany, as mentioned in the article I linked to, over 40% of those on Hartz 4 do not hold a German passport. I think it comes down to the type of immigration, hence why the Tories spoke of selective high skill, high wage immigration. However, that is not what they delivered. Over the last five years, net migration to the UK from outside of Europe stood at around two million people and just 15% came for work. All of which, I gather, places additional pressure on services and infrastructure, including the NHS, whilst most will be a net cost, rather than a net benefit, to the economy. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over time. Strange how those figures on UK immigration over the last 5 years seem to coincide with something big happening politically in this country. Can't for the life of me put my finger on it. They most certainly are not “my lot”, this Government has been an absolute shambles and I certainly won’t be voting for them later this year. My vote is dependant on performance, unlike some… How am I pointing the finger at Labour? I’ve said I can’t wait for life to be great again under them you know how blue and amber works, if you criticise labour you are a tory I am too apparently, despite never voting for them, never will , and demanding Boris got the sack for his parties equally, I also thought kier having a curry and a pint for exactly no different , so not a tory, not a, actually what's labours version of tory ? whatever it is im not that, I've only ever voted Labour, last time I did it was for Paul Marsden who immediately signed for someone else, I've not voted since and not plan to this time around, I did however vote leave ;-) How can anyone in the centre or on the right find anything to criticise in the Labour party that hasn't been power for the last 14 years? Some/plenty of us on the left do have serious issues with the current Labour leadership, but anyone else should be welcoming the slight change that Starmer and his centrist buddies will bring. Lavish lunches for those at the top and if the rest of us are lucky a few crumbs might drop down to us oiks. Starmer hardly embodies a shift change at the top of UK politics.
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The NHS
Mar 30, 2024 20:33:37 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2024 20:33:37 GMT 1
I would urge people to look to the information available as I don't think its simply a case of more workers means more revenue and therefore more money for such things as the NHS. It very much depends on the age, skills and earnings as to whether someone is a net benefit or cost to an economy. And as for Germany, as mentioned in the article I linked to, over 40% of those on Hartz 4 do not hold a German passport. I think it comes down to the type of immigration, hence why the Tories spoke of selective high skill, high wage immigration. However, that is not what they delivered. Over the last five years, net migration to the UK from outside of Europe stood at around two million people and just 15% came for work. All of which, I gather, places additional pressure on services and infrastructure, including the NHS, whilst most will be a net cost, rather than a net benefit, to the economy. It will be interesting to see how all this plays out over time. Strange how those figures on UK immigration over the last 5 years seem to coincide with something big happening politically in this country. Can't for the life of me put my finger on it. you know how blue and amber works, if you criticise labour you are a tory I am too apparently, despite never voting for them, never will , and demanding Boris got the sack for his parties equally, I also thought kier having a curry and a pint for exactly no different , so not a tory, not a, actually what's labours version of tory ? whatever it is im not that, I've only ever voted Labour, last time I did it was for Paul Marsden who immediately signed for someone else, I've not voted since and not plan to this time around, I did however vote leave ;-) How can anyone in the centre or on the right find anything to criticise in the Labour party that hasn't been power for the last 14 years? Some/plenty of us on the left do have serious issues with the current Labour leadership, but anyone else should be welcoming the slight change that Starmer and his centrist buddies will bring. Lavish lunches for those at the top and if the rest of us are lucky a few crumbs might drop down to us oiks. Starmer hardly embodies a shift change at the top of UK politics. you make it sound like you'd be prepared to give thatcher anther chance, well if she was still around like
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Post by neilsalop on Mar 30, 2024 20:37:10 GMT 1
Strange how those figures on UK immigration over the last 5 years seem to coincide with something big happening politically in this country. Can't for the life of me put my finger on it. How can anyone in the centre or on the right find anything to criticise in the Labour party that hasn't been power for the last 14 years? Some/plenty of us on the left do have serious issues with the current Labour leadership, but anyone else should be welcoming the slight change that Starmer and his centrist buddies will bring. Lavish lunches for those at the top and if the rest of us are lucky a few crumbs might drop down to us oiks. Starmer hardly embodies a shift change at the top of UK politics. you make it sound like you'd be prepared to give thatcher anther chance, well if she was still around like I don't know where you get that idea from, but I don't know where you get most of your thoughts from, so no change there. Maybe it was supposed to funny, if so could you put a smilie at the end in future, just so the rest of us know it was an attempt at humour.
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The NHS
Mar 30, 2024 20:41:44 GMT 1
Post by Pilch on Mar 30, 2024 20:41:44 GMT 1
you make it sound like you'd be prepared to give thatcher anther chance, well if she was still around like I don't know where you get that idea from, but I don't know where you get most of your thoughts from, so no change there. Maybe it was supposed to funny, if so could you put a smilie at the end in future, just so the rest of us know it was an attempt at humour. it wasnt meant to be funny, if anything I should have added this to it zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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The NHS
Mar 31, 2024 10:33:41 GMT 1
Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 31, 2024 10:33:41 GMT 1
How am I pointing the finger at Labour? I’ve said I can’t wait for life to be great again under them Good luck to them, I think they are going to need it. I mean we have to consider that when looking to the recent news around satisfaction levels with the NHS I'm pretty sure it was reported they were lower in Labour run Wales than in England (I think they were lower in Scotland too). So it will be interesting to see how Labour go about fixing things. If the issues in Wales are simply down to funding rather than how it is run then perhaps that will be shown if Labour are willing and perhaps more so, able to increase funding. We wait and see.
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The NHS
Mar 31, 2024 15:07:51 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Mar 31, 2024 15:07:51 GMT 1
Strange how those figures on UK immigration over the last 5 years seem to coincide with something big happening politically in this country. Can't for the life of me put my finger on it. How can anyone in the centre or on the right find anything to criticise in the Labour party that hasn't been power for the last 14 years? Some/plenty of us on the left do have serious issues with the current Labour leadership, but anyone else should be welcoming the slight change that Starmer and his centrist buddies will bring. Lavish lunches for those at the top and if the rest of us are lucky a few crumbs might drop down to us oiks. Starmer hardly embodies a shift change at the top of UK politics. you make it sound like you'd be prepared to give thatcher anther chance, well if she was still around like Rest in peace Baroness Thatcher, while the country continues to suffer from some of your actions, compounded by the buffoons who pretend to take your place as leader of the Conservative party these days.
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