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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 19, 2023 18:41:51 GMT 1
In your opinion. This mess all started with austerity, and we know which party did that. The party that told us the NHS was safe in their hands.
Come on. Whoever is in power will only have the money available to put a sticking plaster over the current NHS problems. It's going to take far more than any political party could ever do to give it the full body blood transfusion that the NHS needs to be fit for purpose once more. What is the answer? I dont know but political point scoring certainly wont be of any help at all. They promised the NHS would be "safe in their hands", it wasn't! Time to let someone else have a go.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 19, 2023 18:48:10 GMT 1
You mean it's time to let someone else realise the enormity of the problem, then they can make excuses why money cant just be plucked out of thin air like Starmer currently thinks it can be.....
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 19, 2023 19:00:47 GMT 1
You mean it's time to let someone else realise the enormity of the problem, then they can make excuses why money cant just be plucked out of thin air like Starmer currently thinks it can be..... I've seen enough wasted money on Covid ppe, agency staff, etc. I've had enough of a party that had us all clapping for the nurses but now won't talk turkey about a pay deal, each strike day making things even worse for waiting lists. I've had enough of lack of training of new doctors and nurses. I've had enough of a party that give the impression they don't care about the NHS, just put us on a long waiting list and hope we opt to go private. I've had enough of a party that made promises about "sorting" social care, then quietly dropped it all.
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Post by neilsalop on Jan 19, 2023 20:23:39 GMT 1
I am really going to try not to be political, but I can't make any promises.
The NHS model is not working at the moment due to numerous issues, but it is fixable, given the will and IMO it doesn't need ridiculous amounts of extra money throwing at it.
One of the issues affecting the NHS is the chronic under-funding over the last decade and a bit. Labour weren't always as forthcoming as they should have been, but the last 13 years has seen funding reduce by a substantial amount. When Blair came to power NHS funding was at around 4.7% of GDP and it rose every single year until it peaked at 7.59% in 2009/2010. Since then it dropped by around 0.5%. Not a massive drop percentage wise, but in 5 of the last 7 years the UK GDP has dropped, which has resulted in that small (0.5%) drop being exacerbated. Funding needs to be ring-fenced.
I now I sound a bit like a Daily Mail comments section here, but there are many procedures that have been approved by NICE over the years for NHS spending, when they could and quite possibly should be at least partially patient funded. Ears being pinned back was always a favourite of the DM comments section.
The NHS has massive buying power and needs to use that power to ensure that are getting the very best prices on absolutely everything.
Social care is obviously another major issue and one which to give credit where it is due Boris Johnson actually tried to do something about, unfortunately his penchant for partying led to his one decent idea getting kicked into the long grass by his successors. I don't know what the answer is, but we used to have cottage or community hospitals in every town where people to go to recuperate following surgery or illness. They are all gone now and the money it would cost to rebuild them would be massively prohibitive.
Covid has obviously been another factor that no-one even considered 4 years back and it has and still is having a massive effect on the NHS. GPs appointments are like Willy Wonka's Golden tickets, cancer, heart problems and many other treatable conditions have been missed or picked up late leading to untimely deaths in many cases.
I hate to say it, but Brexit has also had an effect. Who knows the amount of eastern Europeans that used to work in the care industry have upped sticks and either gone back home or moved onto countries where they feel welcome? Even those that didn't work in the care sector leaving has had an effect, because they have left the manufacturing and service sectors freeing up jobs in those sectors for people that did work in care, but felt that they were under paid and under appreciated.
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Post by armchairfan on Jan 19, 2023 21:41:34 GMT 1
I am really going to try not to be political, but I can't make any promises.
The NHS model is not working at the moment due to numerous issues, but it is fixable, given the will and IMO it doesn't need ridiculous amounts of extra money throwing at it.
One of the issues affecting the NHS is the chronic under-funding over the last decade and a bit. Labour weren't always as forthcoming as they should have been, but the last 13 years has seen funding reduce by a substantial amount. When Blair came to power NHS funding was at around 4.7% of GDP and it rose every single year until it peaked at 7.59% in 2009/2010. Since then it dropped by around 0.5%. Not a massive drop percentage wise, but in 5 of the last 7 years the UK GDP has dropped, which has resulted in that small (0.5%) drop being exacerbated. Funding needs to be ring-fenced.
I now I sound a bit like a Daily Mail comments section here, but there are many procedures that have been approved by NICE over the years for NHS spending, when they could and quite possibly should be at least partially patient funded. Ears being pinned back was always a favourite of the DM comments section.
The NHS has massive buying power and needs to use that power to ensure that are getting the very best prices on absolutely everything.
Social care is obviously another major issue and one which to give credit where it is due Boris Johnson actually tried to do something about, unfortunately his penchant for partying led to his one decent idea getting kicked into the long grass by his successors. I don't know what the answer is, but we used to have cottage or community hospitals in every town where people to go to recuperate following surgery or illness. They are all gone now and the money it would cost to rebuild them would be massively prohibitive.
Covid has obviously been another factor that no-one even considered 4 years back and it has and still is having a massive effect on the NHS. GPs appointments are like Willy Wonka's Golden tickets, cancer, heart problems and many other treatable conditions have been missed or picked up late leading to untimely deaths in many cases.
I hate to say it, but Brexit has also had an effect. Who knows the amount of eastern Europeans that used to work in the care industry have upped sticks and either gone back home or moved onto countries where they feel welcome? Even those that didn't work in the care sector leaving has had an effect, because they have left the manufacturing and service sectors freeing up jobs in those sectors for people that did work in care, but felt that they were under paid and under appreciated.
Generally speaking, this is a thoughtful contribution, although I do not fully agree with the conclusions; thus far in this thread there have been numerous largely anecdotal, though sometimes painful, posts as to the failings of the NHS, but Neil in his post attempts that which I had hoped to see when opening the thread: a deeper and wider analysis of the situation, rather than identifying specific areas requiring more funding/staff - upon which I am sure we could find a large degree of agreement in any case; with all due respect to those who have posted their own experience, those occurrences are not, in themselves, the fundamental problem - they are the symptoms, and until such time as we are able to agree on those fundamental problems, simply trying to cure the symptoms and not the disease is a thoroughgoing waste of time and finite resources.
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Post by neilsalop on Jan 20, 2023 7:42:25 GMT 1
I am really going to try not to be political, but I can't make any promises.
The NHS model is not working at the moment due to numerous issues, but it is fixable, given the will and IMO it doesn't need ridiculous amounts of extra money throwing at it.
One of the issues affecting the NHS is the chronic under-funding over the last decade and a bit. Labour weren't always as forthcoming as they should have been, but the last 13 years has seen funding reduce by a substantial amount. When Blair came to power NHS funding was at around 4.7% of GDP and it rose every single year until it peaked at 7.59% in 2009/2010. Since then it dropped by around 0.5%. Not a massive drop percentage wise, but in 5 of the last 7 years the UK GDP has dropped, which has resulted in that small (0.5%) drop being exacerbated. Funding needs to be ring-fenced.
I now I sound a bit like a Daily Mail comments section here, but there are many procedures that have been approved by NICE over the years for NHS spending, when they could and quite possibly should be at least partially patient funded. Ears being pinned back was always a favourite of the DM comments section.
The NHS has massive buying power and needs to use that power to ensure that are getting the very best prices on absolutely everything.
Social care is obviously another major issue and one which to give credit where it is due Boris Johnson actually tried to do something about, unfortunately his penchant for partying led to his one decent idea getting kicked into the long grass by his successors. I don't know what the answer is, but we used to have cottage or community hospitals in every town where people to go to recuperate following surgery or illness. They are all gone now and the money it would cost to rebuild them would be massively prohibitive.
Covid has obviously been another factor that no-one even considered 4 years back and it has and still is having a massive effect on the NHS. GPs appointments are like Willy Wonka's Golden tickets, cancer, heart problems and many other treatable conditions have been missed or picked up late leading to untimely deaths in many cases.
I hate to say it, but Brexit has also had an effect. Who knows the amount of eastern Europeans that used to work in the care industry have upped sticks and either gone back home or moved onto countries where they feel welcome? Even those that didn't work in the care sector leaving has had an effect, because they have left the manufacturing and service sectors freeing up jobs in those sectors for people that did work in care, but felt that they were under paid and under appreciated.
Generally speaking, this is a thoughtful contribution, although I do not fully agree with the conclusions; thus far in this thread there have been numerous largely anecdotal, though sometimes painful, posts as to the failings of the NHS, but Neil in his post attempts that which I had hoped to see when opening the thread: a deeper and wider analysis of the situation, rather than identifying specific areas requiring more funding/staff - upon which I am sure we could find a large degree of agreement in any case; with all due respect to those who have posted their own experience, those occurrences are not, in themselves, the fundamental problem - they are the symptoms, and until such time as we are able to agree on those fundamental problems, simply trying to cure the symptoms and not the disease is a thoroughgoing waste of time and finite resources. It seems as though everyone on the left want to throw more and more money at the issues, while many on the right want to see wholesale changes to the current NHS model. For crying out loud if even you and I can find some semblance of agreement why the bloody hell can't MPs from different parties at least try to find some areas where they can find some common ground.
Yes, extra money is required, of that there is no doubt, especially in the short term to find a way around the raft of current issues, but that won't solve all of the problems. A Royal Commission needs to be set up to look at how best to run the NHS for the next generations, whether that involves a new, more up to date funding model is going to need to part of the discussion. As one of the more left leaning members of this board it is disturbing to think that Free At The Point Of Use could go, but if something isn't done in the next few years then NHS will no longer be fit for purpose and will end up collapsing.
I dread to think how much agencies supplying the NHS with nurses and care worker are milking out of the NHS. If it costs a hospital twice as much to source an agency nurse or agency HCA much of that money is going to people milking the current crisis. It's all very well making hay while the sun shines and I can't knock the agencies for doing that, but the system needs to change to encourage those agency nurses back to the NHS full time. Reducing hours and having more flexibility would be a start, also ensuring that every shift is FULLY staffed. Another way would be better pay, but somehow we need to get at least half of those currently only working for agencies back into the fold and until that happens the hospitals will continue hemorrhaging money into the private sector pockets of the agency bosses.
The NHS is the biggest organisation in the country with over 1.5 million employees. Surely it can not be beyond the wit of man to get someone in to run the procurement, as I said in my previous post they have the buying power, so they bloody well need to start using it.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jan 21, 2023 19:07:00 GMT 1
Generally speaking, this is a thoughtful contribution, although I do not fully agree with the conclusions; thus far in this thread there have been numerous largely anecdotal, though sometimes painful, posts as to the failings of the NHS, but Neil in his post attempts that which I had hoped to see when opening the thread: a deeper and wider analysis of the situation, rather than identifying specific areas requiring more funding/staff - upon which I am sure we could find a large degree of agreement in any case; with all due respect to those who have posted their own experience, those occurrences are not, in themselves, the fundamental problem - they are the symptoms, and until such time as we are able to agree on those fundamental problems, simply trying to cure the symptoms and not the disease is a thoroughgoing waste of time and finite resources. It seems as though everyone on the left want to throw more and more money at the issues, while many on the right want to see wholesale changes to the current NHS model. For crying out loud if even you and I can find some semblance of agreement why the bloody hell can't MPs from different parties at least try to find some areas where they can find some common ground.
Yes, extra money is required, of that there is no doubt, especially in the short term to find a way around the raft of current issues, but that won't solve all of the problems. A Royal Commission needs to be set up to look at how best to run the NHS for the next generations, whether that involves a new, more up to date funding model is going to need to part of the discussion. As one of the more left leaning members of this board it is disturbing to think that Free At The Point Of Use could go, but if something isn't done in the next few years then NHS will no longer be fit for purpose and will end up collapsing.
I dread to think how much agencies supplying the NHS with nurses and care worker are milking out of the NHS. If it costs a hospital twice as much to source an agency nurse or agency HCA much of that money is going to people milking the current crisis. It's all very well making hay while the sun shines and I can't knock the agencies for doing that, but the system needs to change to encourage those agency nurses back to the NHS full time. Reducing hours and having more flexibility would be a start, also ensuring that every shift is FULLY staffed. Another way would be better pay, but somehow we need to get at least half of those currently only working for agencies back into the fold and until that happens the hospitals will continue hemorrhaging money into the private sector pockets of the agency bosses.
The NHS is the biggest organisation in the country with over 1.5 million employees. Surely it can not be beyond the wit of man to get someone in to run the procurement, as I said in my previous post they have the buying power, so they bloody well need to start using it.
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Post by armchairfan on Jan 23, 2023 19:02:26 GMT 1
It seems as though everyone on the left want to throw more and more money at the issues, while many on the right want to see wholesale changes to the current NHS model. For crying out loud if even you and I can find some semblance of agreement why the bloody hell can't MPs from different parties at least try to find some areas where they can find some common ground.
Yes, extra money is required, of that there is no doubt, especially in the short term to find a way around the raft of current issues, but that won't solve all of the problems. A Royal Commission needs to be set up to look at how best to run the NHS for the next generations, whether that involves a new, more up to date funding model is going to need to part of the discussion. As one of the more left leaning members of this board it is disturbing to think that Free At The Point Of Use could go, but if something isn't done in the next few years then NHS will no longer be fit for purpose and will end up collapsing.
I dread to think how much agencies supplying the NHS with nurses and care worker are milking out of the NHS. If it costs a hospital twice as much to source an agency nurse or agency HCA much of that money is going to people milking the current crisis. It's all very well making hay while the sun shines and I can't knock the agencies for doing that, but the system needs to change to encourage those agency nurses back to the NHS full time. Reducing hours and having more flexibility would be a start, also ensuring that every shift is FULLY staffed. Another way would be better pay, but somehow we need to get at least half of those currently only working for agencies back into the fold and until that happens the hospitals will continue hemorrhaging money into the private sector pockets of the agency bosses.
The NHS is the biggest organisation in the country with over 1.5 million employees. Surely it can not be beyond the wit of man to get someone in to run the procurement, as I said in my previous post they have the buying power, so they bloody well need to start using it.
Your first paragraph sums up succinctly the current "state of play" in the left-right divide, and is, it seems to me, to be accurate; this is where you and I , as ordinary voters, can find agreement. However, your evident "cri de coeur" as to why our elected representatives find it so difficult to get even THAT far along the road to discussing realistic options is not too difficult to address: our MPs and candidates are, in the first instance, answerable to their local Executives (in the Conservative Party) and local Management Committees (?) - my apologies if that is not the exact nomenclature; such committes are obviously dominated by the activists and voluntary foot-soldiers, who all tend to adopt "purist" positions; when there is even a hint that the elected Member or candidate may be flirting with ideas beyond the Party's stated position, Central Office (Conservative) or the NEC (Labour) is highly likely to intervene citing the importance of party unity; as a result, any poor Member is hamstrung from the outset, and an aspiring candidate is unlikely to get through any sort of vetting process. Oh, the joys of a Party system within a Parliamentary democracy...lol And no, I can think of no way to solve this conundrum, as generally speaking, I do not believe that Parliament would function WITHOUT a Party system, nor be likely to produce stable government.
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Jan 23, 2023 19:27:40 GMT 1
Post by neilsalop on Jan 23, 2023 19:27:40 GMT 1
Your first paragraph sums up succinctly the current "state of play" in the left-right divide, and is, it seems to me, to be accurate; this is where you and I , as ordinary voters, can find agreement. However, your evident "cri de coeur" as to why our elected representatives find it so difficult to get even THAT far along the road to discussing realistic options is not too difficult to address: our MPs and candidates are, in the first instance, answerable to their local Executives (in the Conservative Party) and local Management Committees (?) - my apologies if that is not the exact nomenclature; such committes are obviously dominated by the activists and voluntary foot-soldiers, who all tend to adopt "purist" positions; when there is even a hint that the elected Member or candidate may be flirting with ideas beyond the Party's stated position, Central Office (Conservative) or the NEC (Labour) is highly likely to intervene citing the importance of party unity; as a result, any poor Member is hamstrung from the outset, and an aspiring candidate is unlikely to get through any sort of vetting process. Oh, the joys of a Party system within a Parliamentary democracy...lol And no, I can think of no way to solve this conundrum, as generally speaking, I do not believe that Parliament would function WITHOUT a Party system, nor be likely to produce stable government. I tend to agree that a party system is essential, but the current two party system is clearly not fit for purpose. Tories get a large majority and start taking the electorate for granted for the decade or so, until Labour get in and do exactly the same. FPTP is a broken system. The Greens regularly get over 1% of the popular vote, yet have only ever had 1 MP instead of the 6 or 7 they deserve. UKIP managed 12.6% of the popular vote in 2015, yet only managed to win a single seat. In the same election the SNP got almost 2.5million fewer votes than UKIP and ended up with 56 seats. Surely you can see that is not a fair system.
Don't get me wrong I laughed long and loud when 3 and a half million UKIP voters ended up with one solitary MP, but with a system of PR we would get a fairer representation in Parliament. Also the major parties would be a lot less likely to take the voters for mugs, knowing that their hold on power was always in the balance, as in the majority of elections would we end up with a coalition of some sort.
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Jan 24, 2023 13:10:58 GMT 1
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Post by armchairfan on Jan 24, 2023 13:10:58 GMT 1
Your first paragraph sums up succinctly the current "state of play" in the left-right divide, and is, it seems to me, to be accurate; this is where you and I , as ordinary voters, can find agreement. However, your evident "cri de coeur" as to why our elected representatives find it so difficult to get even THAT far along the road to discussing realistic options is not too difficult to address: our MPs and candidates are, in the first instance, answerable to their local Executives (in the Conservative Party) and local Management Committees (?) - my apologies if that is not the exact nomenclature; such committes are obviously dominated by the activists and voluntary foot-soldiers, who all tend to adopt "purist" positions; when there is even a hint that the elected Member or candidate may be flirting with ideas beyond the Party's stated position, Central Office (Conservative) or the NEC (Labour) is highly likely to intervene citing the importance of party unity; as a result, any poor Member is hamstrung from the outset, and an aspiring candidate is unlikely to get through any sort of vetting process. Oh, the joys of a Party system within a Parliamentary democracy...lol And no, I can think of no way to solve this conundrum, as generally speaking, I do not believe that Parliament would function WITHOUT a Party system, nor be likely to produce stable government. I tend to agree that a party system is essential, but the current two party system is clearly not fit for purpose. Tories get a large majority and start taking the electorate for granted for the decade or so, until Labour get in and do exactly the same. FPTP is a broken system. The Greens regularly get over 1% of the popular vote, yet have only ever had 1 MP instead of the 6 or 7 they deserve. UKIP managed 12.6% of the popular vote in 2015, yet only managed to win a single seat. In the same election the SNP got almost 2.5million fewer votes than UKIP and ended up with 56 seats. Surely you can see that is not a fair system.
Don't get me wrong I laughed long and loud when 3 and a half million UKIP voters ended up with one solitary MP, but with a system of PR we would get a fairer representation in Parliament. Also the major parties would be a lot less likely to take the voters for mugs, knowing that their hold on power was always in the balance, as in the majority of elections would we end up with a coalition of some sort.
As I have said on other threads, I am open to persuasion on the matter of PR, although I am far from convinced that it's implementation would be the supposed "silver bullet" - "known knowns", "unknown knowns" and all that.....
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 27, 2023 13:36:24 GMT 1
I hope you are proud of yourself Steve Barclay, representing a government that stood outside and clapped nurses and now takes them to court. Confrontation is not the way to proceed, negotiation is the only way to resolve things.
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Post by stroudy on Apr 27, 2023 16:53:35 GMT 1
It's a great world we all live in. Everybody knows all the answers and nobody implements them. The right decisions become the wrong decisions so let's reverse them. Right wing politics are wrong til a leftwing politician becomes too woke then the unwokeness becomes too sensitive for the ones that needed pacifying. Eff me give it a break
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Post by ssshrew on Apr 27, 2023 17:00:52 GMT 1
I hope you are proud of yourself Steve Barclay, representing a government that stood outside and clapped nurses and now takes them to court. Confrontation is not the way to proceed, negotiation is the only way to resolve things. I just cannot agree enough. What a truly despicable bunch we have In government. Hypocrites to a person.
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Post by BlueTone on Apr 27, 2023 18:07:15 GMT 1
Just read some of the earlier posts of those having had a TIA and prescribed blood thinners. I too had a TIA and was prescribed Apixaban blood thinners. Earlier this year I had a nosebleed which, because of the blood thinners, needed hospital intervention and an overnight stay to resolve. Other than a 4 hour wait in A&E my care was good both for the initial TIA and the nosebleed.
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 27, 2023 20:34:08 GMT 1
" dont be stupid, be a smarty come and join the" nasty party.
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Post by servernaside on Apr 28, 2023 14:49:17 GMT 1
I thought there was a separate forum for political threads.
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Post by The Clash 1966 on Apr 28, 2023 18:58:50 GMT 1
" dont be stupd, be a smarty come and join the" nasty party. it's good to be the king 👑
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Post by staffordshrew on Apr 28, 2023 19:51:43 GMT 1
I thought there was a separate forum for political threads.
Did you.
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Post by servernaside on Mar 10, 2024 12:28:10 GMT 1
You should all read Rod Liddle's take on the NHS in today's Sunday Times.
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 10, 2024 12:39:57 GMT 1
The NHS is ****ed in the main thanks to 3 reasons
1) exponential population growth through an open border, anybody welcome policy 2) not moving with the times - out of date processes and structures 3) a monumental waste of money on middle management and b******s 6 figure salary “equality” roles that in truth, promote anything but equality
The Covid outbreak didn’t help matters either
Record levels of investment are being spunked up the wall
Sooner we face facts and introduce some type of private insurance the better - let’s be honest, loads of folk are already having to pay o go private
NHS is now a national embarrassment
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Post by ssshrew on Mar 10, 2024 12:43:30 GMT 1
It absolutely is. I read this earlier and could have wept. I mean I have felt rough and tired but nothing like this. To be honest I had never heard of him before but such bravery is beyond everything. Unless people have been through this sort of treatment then believe me we have no idea what it involves. I certainly didn’t. The NHS here has been beyond my expectations. The front line staff are amazing and can never be paid enough for what they do. I just have such admiration for them. its really is time that governments of all persuasion stopped wasting money and invested in front line staff and equipment. If anyone is interested please read my post in the budget thread written the day after. Yes the NHS will have faults and problems - it is staffed by human beings - but so far my experience has been nothing but good.
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Post by tarporleyblue on Mar 10, 2024 13:01:22 GMT 1
A neighbour of ours has been on a very similar journey to that of Rhod. What he has been through over the course of the last 14 months has been, at times brutal. He told me, at one point that had he known the full extent of the treatment and the side effects he may well have not had the treatment. Fortunately he is a tough cookie and has had great support from family and friends and, touch wood is now on the slow road to recovery. He was treated at the Clatterbridge Centre on the Wirral and had surgery at the Cancer centre in Liverpool. I went with him a few times when he was having radiotherapy and the care and compassion of all the staff I met was out of this world. I just wish that all the political parties sat down and agreed a national long term strategy for both health and social care instead of using these services as a political football.
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 10, 2024 13:05:33 GMT 1
The NHS is ****ed in the main thanks to 3 reasons 1) exponential population growth through an open border, anybody welcome policy 2) not moving with the times - out of date processes and structures 3) a monumental waste of money on middle management and b******s 6 figure salary “equality” roles that in truth, promote anything but equality The Covid outbreak didn’t help matters either Record levels of investment are being spunked up the wall Sooner we face facts and introduce some type of private insurance the better - let’s be honest, loads of folk are already having to pay o go private NHS is now a national embarrassment What a defeatist attitude. NHS needs to refocus, so scrap it and every man for themselves. Forgetting that a private system will want to make profits, not trial and research pioneering new treatments nor shell out for expensive new drugs that prolong some poor unfortunate's life.
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Post by ProudSalopian on Mar 10, 2024 13:24:11 GMT 1
I've mentioned that I've had some experience with the NHS in recent years due to my Dad and unfortunately I've also had some more experience as my mum has been unwell and she recently had to have an operation. The operation and follow up care was great and I cannot complain but the way they treat their patients (and family) is awful and makes a stressful experience, even more stressful.
Pre Operation - She asks whether she will have to stay in overnight, she told that there are no plans to and as standard she will come out same day Arrival at hospital on day of op - The receptionist tells her that she is booked in for an overnight stop Day after op - Morning - One doctor tells her she would have to stay in another night Day after op - Lunchtime- Another doctor tells her she would be coming out later that day Day after op - Evening - After hearing no more, I go to the hospital. I ask a nurse what is happening, I'm told she's stopping in another night and there was no record of her being told she would come out that day Two days after op morning (8am) - She's told the doctor had given her the all clear so would be ok to leave soon Two days after op mid afternoon (2.30pm) - Is asked by a nurse whether she's rung me to go to collect her. She said as was waiting on the ok from the hospital, she's finally given that
She was told she would hear within 2 weeks as to the results of the operation and whether they found that she did have a form of cancer. She heard nothing and rung the relevant person herself, she was told it was good news and it wasn't cancerous. Great news of course, just a shame no one had bothered to tell her that.
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Mar 10, 2024 13:45:18 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Mar 10, 2024 13:45:18 GMT 1
I've mentioned that I've had some experience with the NHS in recent years due to my Dad and unfortunately I've also had some more experience as my mum has been unwell and she recently had to have an operation. The operation and follow up care was great and I cannot complain but the way they treat their patients (and family) is awful and makes a stressful experience, even more stressful. Pre Operation - She asks whether she will have to stay in overnight, she told that there are no plans to and as standard she will come out same day Arrival at hospital on day of op - The receptionist tells her that she is booked in for an overnight stop Day after op - Morning - One doctor tells her she would have to stay in another night Day after op - Lunchtime- Another doctor tells her she would be coming out later that day Day after op - Evening - After hearing no more, I go to the hospital. I ask a nurse what is happening, I'm told she's stopping in another night and there was no record of her being told she would come out that day Two days after op morning (8am) - She's told the doctor had given her the all clear so would be ok to leave soon Two days after op mid afternoon (2.30pm) - Is asked by a nurse whether she's rung me to go to collect her. She said as was waiting on the ok from the hospital, she's finally given that She was told she would hear within 2 weeks as to the results of the operation and whether they found that she did have a form of cancer. She heard nothing and rung the relevant person herself, she was told it was good news and it wasn't cancerous. Great news of course, just a shame no one had bothered to tell her that. With my wife, I remember, the "release" room - can't, nor don't want to, remember what it was called. Sitting around waiting for a doctor to give the ok and anything they wanted to send out with you. My normally mild mannered wife was reduced to telling them that she only had a limited time to live and if they didn't get their act together she was going to just walk out.
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The NHS
Mar 10, 2024 14:58:25 GMT 1
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Post by Valerioch on Mar 10, 2024 14:58:25 GMT 1
The NHS is ****ed in the main thanks to 3 reasons 1) exponential population growth through an open border, anybody welcome policy 2) not moving with the times - out of date processes and structures 3) a monumental waste of money on middle management and b******s 6 figure salary “equality” roles that in truth, promote anything but equality The Covid outbreak didn’t help matters either Record levels of investment are being spunked up the wall Sooner we face facts and introduce some type of private insurance the better - let’s be honest, loads of folk are already having to pay o go private NHS is now a national embarrassment What a defeatist attitude. NHS needs to refocus, so scrap it and every man for themselves. Forgetting that a private system will want to make profits, not trial and research pioneering new treatments nor shell out for expensive new drugs that prolong some poor unfortunate's life. Or I just haven’t got my head in the sand and not scared to state some harsh truths about the situation of the institution
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The NHS
Mar 10, 2024 15:30:09 GMT 1
Post by staffordshrew on Mar 10, 2024 15:30:09 GMT 1
What a defeatist attitude. NHS needs to refocus, so scrap it and every man for themselves. Forgetting that a private system will want to make profits, not trial and research pioneering new treatments nor shell out for expensive new drugs that prolong some poor unfortunate's life. Or I just haven’t got my head in the sand and not scared to state some harsh truths about the situation of the institution Yes, could be that
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Post by servernaside on Mar 10, 2024 17:24:18 GMT 1
Or I just haven’t got my head in the sand and not scared to state some harsh truths about the situation of the institution Yes, could be that It's just a dose of realism. The NHS isn't broken due lack of funding, the model itself no longer works as it was originally intended and no amount of extra funding will put that right. If it hadn't become such a sacred cow and political football we would have moved away to a more insurance based system as used in most developed countries around the world.
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