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Post by martinshrew on Aug 15, 2022 16:28:25 GMT 1
are we going to question these signings for the next few seasons like we did with pyke (who wasn't actually injured when we signed him) No, we'll question their impact after two full seasons.
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Post by shrewder on Aug 15, 2022 16:29:41 GMT 1
Unfortunately on the budget for players at this level the risks are always greater of ending up with injury prone players. It's just bad luck . Feel sorry for SC there is no doubt he is sincere about his intentions. For his sake let's hope he gets the rub of the green soon. Who would be a football manager at this level. Tough.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Aug 15, 2022 16:33:50 GMT 1
He was offered a new deal by Portsmouth so presumably they weren't too concerned either. Hope op goes well and he's back soon as I think judging from Bowman's limited game time, Cotterill sees him and Udoh as his front two
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 15, 2022 16:40:09 GMT 1
Unfortunately on the budget for players at this level the risks are always greater of ending up with injury prone players. It's just bad luck . Feel sorry for SC there is no doubt he is sincere about his intentions. For his sake let's hope he gets the rub of the green soon. Who would be a football manager at this level. Tough. Only a bit sorry, but situation made worse with SCs choice to have a small squad. We got away with it last year and hopefully O’Briens only out for a short period. I’m more concerned that we send players down to a top expert in London who injects them with hope it will do the trick but it doesn’t. Reminds me of times under King when we used to give injections that ended up with long term injuries…….
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2022 16:41:09 GMT 1
Unfortunately on the budget for players at this level the risks are always greater of ending up with injury prone players. It's just bad luck . Feel sorry for SC there is no doubt he is sincere about his intentions. For his sake let's hope he gets the rub of the green soon. Who would be a football manager at this level. Tough. real bad luck signing a player in July (Bennett ) who got injured on 15th April and hasn't kicked a ball since and as someone already hinted, did we even bother with a medical for Obrien ? probably not as they cost money
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 15, 2022 16:44:42 GMT 1
the question is who would win a race between OBRIEN & BENNETT ? are we going to question these signings for the next few seasons like we did with pyke ( who wasn't actually injured when we signed him ) nope, we'll pretend its bad luck you'd think a side gambling on a threadbare squad would not risk signing crocks Except Bennett and O’Brien had already proved themselves before they came here, Pyke was a bit of a punt and fans have questioned his talent not fitness (wrongly much of the time) With Bennett we signed him July 2021 and he played most games last season until his slight injury. We extended his contract cos he was one of our best players. can you see the difference?
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Post by shrewder on Aug 15, 2022 16:45:30 GMT 1
Unfortunately on the budget for players at this level the risks are always greater of ending up with injury prone players. It's just bad luck . Feel sorry for SC there is no doubt he is sincere about his intentions. For his sake let's hope he gets the rub of the green soon. Who would be a football manager at this level. Tough. real bad luck signing a player in July (Bennett ) who got injured on 15th April and hasn't kicked a ball since and as someone already hinted, did we even bother with a medical for Obrien ? probably not as they cost money Well it's a viewpoint but not necessarily the full story. Only the club know that.
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 15, 2022 16:48:08 GMT 1
Won't need to sign another striker instead of o'brien then----- we've got pykey 👍👍👍😲🤔😉😉
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 15, 2022 17:18:26 GMT 1
Unfortunately on the budget for players at this level the risks are always greater of ending up with injury prone players. It's just bad luck . Feel sorry for SC there is no doubt he is sincere about his intentions. For his sake let's hope he gets the rub of the green soon. Who would be a football manager at this level. Tough. real bad luck signing a player in July (Bennett ) who got injured on 15th April and hasn't kicked a ball since and as someone already hinted, did we even bother with a medical for Obrien ? probably not as they cost money So what should we have done about Bennett then? Let him go, with no immediate prospect of getting paid employment? If we had then doubt he'd want to sign for us when fit again.
He played well last season and Steve C wants him in his plans. He definately would not be the first player who we have provided a contract to so as to see them through their recovery.
Totally different with O'Brien, you don't take on another club's problems, so did we do the checks? Not just the medical but also how prone he might have been to injury lay-offs in the past.
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Post by Valerioch on Aug 15, 2022 17:29:12 GMT 1
Really bad luck for the lad, SC and the team.
The sooner he can get fit and back in contention the better, as the current replacement cover isn’t a patch on his pedigree or adequate enough sadly
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Post by Pilch on Aug 15, 2022 21:44:28 GMT 1
real bad luck signing a player in July (Bennett ) who got injured on 15th April and hasn't kicked a ball since and as someone already hinted, did we even bother with a medical for Obrien ? probably not as they cost money So what should we have done about Bennett then? Let him go, with no immediate prospect of getting paid employment? If we had then doubt he'd want to sign for us when fit again.
He played well last season and Steve C wants him in his plans. He definately would not be the first player who we have provided a contract to so as to see them through their recovery.
Totally different with O'Brien, you don't take on another club's problems, so did we do the checks? Not just the medical but also how prone he might have been to injury lay-offs in the past. oh you mean like when we offered the Shop a 6 month contract and a nuclear bomb went off on here blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/99172/retained-list?page=2we are obliged to see them through rehab, not send them on holiday, give them a new 12 month contract and then think about putting things right once the new season has started, I wonder how much his 12 month contract is worth compared to whatever pittance we gave LJL until January ? there's negligence somewhere along the lines as for Obrien, who knows what happen there, at least we've had 3 touches of the ball from him this season so far
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Aug 15, 2022 22:02:30 GMT 1
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Aug 15, 2022 22:09:33 GMT 1
Any indications how long we are looking at? 2 weeks, 4 weeks, 2 months?
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Post by chameleon on Aug 15, 2022 23:23:06 GMT 1
Glad to hear the op went well. Hopefully he’ll be back and scoring loads of goals before to long.
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 15, 2022 23:39:06 GMT 1
Don't need him---- pykey will score loads👍👍👍
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Post by shrewswolf on Aug 16, 2022 0:02:40 GMT 1
I must have missed the bit where everyone found out that O’Brien was already injured when we signed him. He joined in fully with the squad in Spain & was then injured. Clearly the initial diagnosis by us was a bit wrong as I can remember Cotterill expecting him to be over with it in no time and blaming the tough pre season running.
Maybe we did have prior knowledge of a niggle but on the money he’s going to on, I very highly doubt it.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Aug 16, 2022 7:04:14 GMT 1
Wish him a speedy recovery. Would be nice if they could give us an idea (even if its just ballpark) on how long he will need before being available again.
Good that we have Udoh on the mend and back involved anyhow. Hopefully he and Bowman can stay injury free for a good while.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 8:02:16 GMT 1
So what should we have done about Bennett then? Let him go, with no immediate prospect of getting paid employment? If we had then doubt he'd want to sign for us when fit again.
He played well last season and Steve C wants him in his plans. He definately would not be the first player who we have provided a contract to so as to see them through their recovery.
Totally different with O'Brien, you don't take on another club's problems, so did we do the checks? Not just the medical but also how prone he might have been to injury lay-offs in the past. oh you mean like when we offered the Shop a 6 month contract and a nuclear bomb went off on here blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/99172/retained-list?page=2we are obliged to see them through rehab, not send them on holiday, give them a new 12 month contract and then think about putting things right once the new season has started, I wonder how much his 12 month contract is worth compared to whatever pittance we gave LJL until January ? there's negligence somewhere along the lines as for Obrien, who knows what happen there, at least we've had 3 touches of the ball from him this season so far If we are going to do comparisons, lets give a bit of context as to why the reaction is different: LJL v Bennett (both got contract extensions) LJL was a lower league/non league journeymen who rarely got a game for us and wasn't L1 quality so fans were amazed/disapointed when he got another contract. Bennett has played at the highest level and was a near ever present for us last season so it wasn't a surprise to anyone that he got another contract. He needed a operation in pre-season, according to SC no one thought this would be required as it previously did not appear on a scan. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2022/07/15/shrewsbury-towns-elliott-bennett-to-underdog-minor-ankle-surgey/Pyke v O'Brien (both new signings) Pyke was given a 3 year contract despite having little pedigree in football other than few loans where he didn't score a lot , the challenge about his signing was never the injury, but giving an unproven player a 3 year contract . O'Brien was given a 2 year contract, it was generally well received because he's got a decent pedigree. He's now injured and despite the claims, no one knows whether this was negligence on our part our just bad luck that he's picked up an injury after joining us. If it was the former then of course someone should be held responsible, however we will never find that out.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 8:41:03 GMT 1
oh you mean like when we offered the Shop a 6 month contract and a nuclear bomb went off on here blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/99172/retained-list?page=2we are obliged to see them through rehab, not send them on holiday, give them a new 12 month contract and then think about putting things right once the new season has started, I wonder how much his 12 month contract is worth compared to whatever pittance we gave LJL until January ? there's negligence somewhere along the lines as for Obrien, who knows what happen there, at least we've had 3 touches of the ball from him this season so far If we are going to do comparisons, lets give a bit of context as to why the reaction is different: LJL v Bennett (both got contract extensions) LJL was a lower league/non league journeymen who rarely got a game for us and wasn't L1 quality so fans were amazed/disapointed when he got another contract. Bennett has played at the highest level and was a near ever present for us last season so it wasn't a surprise to anyone that he got another contract. He needed a operation in pre-season, according to SC no one thought this would be required as it previously did not appear on a scan. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2022/07/15/shrewsbury-towns-elliott-bennett-to-underdog-minor-ankle-surgey/Pyke v O'Brien (both new signings) Pyke was given a 3 year contract despite having little pedigree in football other than few loans where he didn't score a lot , the challenge about his signing was never the injury, but giving an unproven player a 3 year contract . O'Brien was given a 2 year contract, it was generally well received because he's got a decent pedigree. He's now injured and despite the claims, no one knows whether this was negligence on our part our just bad luck that he's picked up an injury after joining us. If it was the former then of course someone should be held responsible, however we will never find that out. pyke impressed but got injured very early on and then got frozen out , only this season has he been given the slightest of openings and has proved himself in those brief chances then again ricketts signed him so let's just make out nothing was right about it 🤣
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 16, 2022 8:51:09 GMT 1
This injection thing always reminds me if this guy who was at Benfica during my time living in Portugal and watching them; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MantorrasVery talented guy by all accounts but by the time i was there he was reduced to odd appearances from the bench with the rumour being the club had pushed him too much after one of these injections and ended up making his injury worse. Definitely something to be careful, especially at O'Brien's age. Seems like poor timing but then his previous club were keen to keep him on too so evidently not as clear cut as "we didn't do a medical". Bennett clearly has pedigree too. Remind me we're crow barring Pyke into this conversation again?
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Post by chirkshrew on Aug 16, 2022 9:02:09 GMT 1
Udoh and pykey to start tonight--- shrews 3 v derby 1 (Pykey 2, leahy)👍👍👌😁
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 9:38:58 GMT 1
This injection thing always reminds me if this guy who was at Benfica during my time living in Portugal and watching them; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MantorrasVery talented guy by all accounts but by the time i was there he was reduced to odd appearances from the bench with the rumour being the club had pushed him too much after one of these injections and ended up making his injury worse. Definitely something to be careful, especially at O'Brien's age. Seems like poor timing but then his previous club were keen to keep him on too so evidently not as clear cut as "we didn't do a medical". Bennett clearly has pedigree too. Remind me we're crow barring Pyke into this conversation again? we are crowing on about pyke because i it seemed like that's all we do these days , i thought i'd have a go for a change , it's quite fun actually , maybe i'll also get bored after 2 years non stop of it 😜😜😜
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Post by block12massive on Aug 16, 2022 9:41:11 GMT 1
This injection thing always reminds me if this guy who was at Benfica during my time living in Portugal and watching them; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MantorrasVery talented guy by all accounts but by the time i was there he was reduced to odd appearances from the bench with the rumour being the club had pushed him too much after one of these injections and ended up making his injury worse. Definitely something to be careful, especially at O'Brien's age. Seems like poor timing but then his previous club were keen to keep him on too so evidently not as clear cut as "we didn't do a medical". Bennett clearly has pedigree too. Remind me we're crow barring Pyke into this conversation again? The constant Pyke bashing is tedious
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 16, 2022 9:47:26 GMT 1
This injection thing always reminds me if this guy who was at Benfica during my time living in Portugal and watching them; en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MantorrasVery talented guy by all accounts but by the time i was there he was reduced to odd appearances from the bench with the rumour being the club had pushed him too much after one of these injections and ended up making his injury worse. Definitely something to be careful, especially at O'Brien's age. Seems like poor timing but then his previous club were keen to keep him on too so evidently not as clear cut as "we didn't do a medical". Bennett clearly has pedigree too. Remind me we're crow barring Pyke into this conversation again? we are crowing on about pyke because i it seemed like that's all we do these days , i thought i'd have a go for a change , it's quite fun actually , maybe i'll also get bored after 2 years non stop of it 😜😜😜 Most seem supportive of Pyke at last, hardly crowing about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 10:14:38 GMT 1
If we are going to do comparisons, lets give a bit of context as to why the reaction is different: pyke impressed but got injured very early on and then got frozen out , only this season has he been given the slightest of openings and has proved himself in those brief chances then again ricketts signed him so let's just make out nothing was right about it 🤣 Proved himself this season??? Whilst he's done ok, let's not get carried away considering how early it is. I hope he proves us all wrong and goes onto be a success, I'll hold my hands up and say I got it wrong with Udoh as I said he wasn't good enough, I'll be delighted if Pyke goes onto do the same. As for your final line, if you can tell me what was right about the signing then I'm all ears. He's a striker who is in his third year with us and yet to score a league goal. Yes I know you can put it down to injuries/not being given much of a chance but at the moment he is a massive flop and the decision to give him a 3 year deal was a mistake by the manager. In a similar way if O'Brien goes onto play very few games this season due to injury/not being good enough then it will be deemed a flop and Cotterill will be held responsible.
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Post by Pilch on Aug 16, 2022 10:45:56 GMT 1
pyke impressed but got injured very early on and then got frozen out , only this season has he been given the slightest of openings and has proved himself in those brief chances then again ricketts signed him so let's just make out nothing was right about it 🤣 Proved himself this season??? Whilst he's done ok, let's not get carried away considering how early it is. I hope he proves us all wrong and goes onto be a success, I'll hold my hands up and say I got it wrong with Udoh as I said he wasn't good enough, I'll be delighted if Pyke goes onto do the same. As for your final line, if you can tell me what was right about the signing then I'm all ears. He's a striker who is in his third year with us and yet to score a league goal. Yes I know you can put it down to injuries/not being given much of a chance but at the moment he is a massive flop and the decision to give him a 3 year deal was a mistake by the manager. In a similar way if O'Brien goes onto play very few games this season due to injury/not being good enough then it will be deemed a flop and Cotterill will be held responsible. there you go again , judging him after his injury
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 16, 2022 10:56:08 GMT 1
If we are going to do comparisons, lets give a bit of context as to why the reaction is different: LJL v Bennett (both got contract extensions) LJL was a lower league/non league journeymen who rarely got a game for us and wasn't L1 quality so fans were amazed/disapointed when he got another contract. Bennett has played at the highest level and was a near ever present for us last season so it wasn't a surprise to anyone that he got another contract. He needed a operation in pre-season, according to SC no one thought this would be required as it previously did not appear on a scan. www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2022/07/15/shrewsbury-towns-elliott-bennett-to-underdog-minor-ankle-surgey/Pyke v O'Brien (both new signings) Pyke was given a 3 year contract despite having little pedigree in football other than few loans where he didn't score a lot , the challenge about his signing was never the injury, but giving an unproven player a 3 year contract . O'Brien was given a 2 year contract, it was generally well received because he's got a decent pedigree. He's now injured and despite the claims, no one knows whether this was negligence on our part our just bad luck that he's picked up an injury after joining us. If it was the former then of course someone should be held responsible, however we will never find that out. pyke impressed but got injured very early on and then got frozen out , only this season has he been given the slightest of openings and has proved himself in those brief chances then again ricketts signed him so let's just make out nothing was right about it 🤣 Can only take Steve C's word, he's said that Pyke froze himself out last season by insisting on that ill fated loan move. Steve C reckons Pyke would have got more game staying at Shrewsbury. Steve C likes Pyke's character and work ethic and look what happened to Udoh in a similar situation.
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Post by kenwood on Aug 16, 2022 11:00:22 GMT 1
I’d be delighted if I were Pyke , reading on here how s**te I was and what a poor signing by the previous Manager . Nothing like a boost to your confidence . Hope he continues to play , does well and scores loads . Oh the joys of playing for the Town !
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Post by northwestman on Aug 16, 2022 11:15:58 GMT 1
Two weeks to go re the transfer deadline.
Surely we need a couple more players in - a midfielder and a striker.
It's embarrassing having to constantly field a bench where at least 2 of them are there just to make up the numbers and won't get anywhere near the pitch. A full bench is important, even more so now we are allowed 5 substitutions. At the moment, unless Burgoyne is brought on for Marosi, we haven't even got the capability to replace 5 on the pitch.
The bench is weak and imbalanced. SC urgently needs to address this issue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 11:32:54 GMT 1
Two weeks to go re the transfer deadline. Surely we need a couple more players in - a midfielder and a striker. It's embarrassing having to constantly field a bench where at least 2 of them are there just to make up the numbers and won't get anywhere near the pitch. A full bench is important, even more so now we are allowed 5 substitutions. At the moment, unless Burgoyne is brought on for Marosi, we haven't even got the capability to replace 5 on the pitch. The bench is weak and imbalanced. SC urgently needs to address this issue. Déjà vu
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