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Post by ProudSalopian on Jan 8, 2023 8:45:34 GMT 1
I think I'd have to laugh if we had been waiting for the first start of our new star striker, it finally happens in January but he has a bust up after 45 minutes and is never seen again!
As for him yesterday, I had suggested him starting but didn't seriously expect it so was pleasantly surprised. I thought he did ok, nothing amazing but after so long out it's going to take time to get back up to speed. Personally I don't think him going off or subsequent subs made much difference as the pattern of the game was pretty much set in, they had the ball, we defended and our only real threat was from set pieces.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jan 8, 2023 9:31:07 GMT 1
He was very influential in our excellent opening start, although faded a bit in the latter part of the first half. Has clearly got an experience and technique that puts him above Street, Bloxham and Pyke though, if he can match their work-rate and avoid injuries.
Not going to read too much into Cotterill’s comments until we see the squad for our next game, the bloke chats s**t at the best of times.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jan 8, 2023 10:44:41 GMT 1
It is a concern though. We're on an awful run, losing three games to sides below us and then yesterday's injury time loss. The last thing we need is issues within the squad and one less player available (to an already thin squad). Not good.
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 8, 2023 10:47:24 GMT 1
BBC Sounds from about 15,14
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 8, 2023 11:13:21 GMT 1
BBC Sounds from about 15,14
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. SC was in a very dissappointed mood, downcast. Is there anything wrong with players being unhappy about being pulled at half time? Back on the training ground the focus will be on getting O'Brien doing a full on 90 minutes.
As for various run ins with Bloxham, Bowman and O'Brien, there's a lack of gpals, surely some friction, even between a tight knit group about how to rectify it is inevitable?
As for Dunny, maybe more chance of getting the dirt on a story if he waits for SC to open up, rather than pushing it at that instant and SC just clamming up?
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 8, 2023 11:32:02 GMT 1
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. SC was in a very dissappointed mood, downcast. Is there anything wrong with players being unhappy about being pulled at half time? Back on the training ground the focus will be on getting O'Brien doing a full on 90 minutes.
As for various run ins with Bloxham, Bowman and O'Brien, there's a lack of gpals, surely some friction, even between a tight knit group about how to rectify it is inevitable?
As for Dunny, maybe more chance of getting the dirt on a story if he waits for SC to open up, rather than pushing it at that instant and SC just clamming up?
If it was as simple as that I doubt SC would be stupid enough to tell the media.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 8, 2023 11:45:00 GMT 1
SC was in a very dissappointed mood, downcast. Is there anything wrong with players being unhappy about being pulled at half time? Back on the training ground the focus will be on getting O'Brien doing a full on 90 minutes.
As for various run ins with Bloxham, Bowman and O'Brien, there's a lack of gpals, surely some friction, even between a tight knit group about how to rectify it is inevitable?
As for Dunny, maybe more chance of getting the dirt on a story if he waits for SC to open up, rather than pushing it at that instant and SC just clamming up?
If it was as simple as that I doubt SC would be stupid enough to tell the media. Even if it is far more complicated, SC was stupid enough to tell the media and fuel the speculation.
Maybe the "revalation" was down to the mood SC was in after the defeat? Recent results where we do our bit, but get nothing have got him down.
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2023 11:46:18 GMT 1
BBC Sounds from about 15,14
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. its all down to man management and only something we can speculate about I was doing a lot of speculating yesterday, at the start Dunkley looked shaky again and has been since the silly error at Cambridge now after Cambridge did cotterill put his arm around him and say, head up forget it, or did he scapegoat him in the changing room in front of everyone ? who knows, but dunkly has been a bag of nerves since did he have a quiet word with obrien and tell him it was obvious he was still not fully fit and sorry but I've made a mistake and im reluctantly going to have to bring you off today or did he say, you have done nothing, get your kit off and get dressed or did he try the polite version and obrien still kicked off who knows, but my guess is the naughty step looms
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 8, 2023 11:51:45 GMT 1
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. its all down to man management and only something we can speculate about I was doing a lot of speculating yesterday, at the start Dunkley looked shaky again and has been since the silly error at Cambridge now after Cambridge did cotterill put his arm around him and say, head up forget it, or did he scapegoat him in the changing room in front of everyone ? who knows, but dunkly has been a bag of nerves since did he have a quiet word with obrien and tell him it was obvious he was still not fully fit and sorry but I've made a mistake and im reluctantly going to have to bring you off today or did he say, you have done nothing, get your kit off and get dressed or did he try the polite version and obrien still kicked off who knows, but my guess is the naughty step looms What we do know is "the gaffer" praises you to high heaven when you have a good game.
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Post by saleshrew on Jan 8, 2023 11:57:13 GMT 1
Quite a lot being read into potentially not very much here. SC is a moody so and so at the best of times, so off the back of a late but deserved defeat, maybe something minor has come across as being a lot more of an issue. Interesting to see what happens next few days though....
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2023 11:59:35 GMT 1
its all down to man management and only something we can speculate about I was doing a lot of speculating yesterday, at the start Dunkley looked shaky again and has been since the silly error at Cambridge now after Cambridge did cotterill put his arm around him and say, head up forget it, or did he scapegoat him in the changing room in front of everyone ? who knows, but dunkly has been a bag of nerves since did he have a quiet word with obrien and tell him it was obvious he was still not fully fit and sorry but I've made a mistake and im reluctantly going to have to bring you off today or did he say, you have done nothing, get your kit off and get dressed or did he try the polite version and obrien still kicked off who knows, but my guess is the naughty step looms What we do know is "the gaffer" praises you to high heaven when you have a good game. cant remember which game it was but I remember an interview started by dunny along the lines of "well clearly you must be delighted with Daniel udohs performance today". to which cotterill said NO and changed the subject
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Post by staffordshrew on Jan 8, 2023 13:19:44 GMT 1
What we do know is "the gaffer" praises you to high heaven when you have a good game. cant remember which game it was but I remember an interview started by dunny along the lines of "well clearly you must be delighted with Daniel udohs performance today". to which cotterill said NO and changed the subject Was that because SC knew there was more to come, and there was?
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Post by llanymynechshrew on Jan 8, 2023 15:45:43 GMT 1
Quite a lot being read into potentially not very much here. SC is a moody so and so at the best of times, so off the back of a late but deserved defeat, maybe something minor has come across as being a lot more of an issue. Interesting to see what happens next few days though.... If it wasn't such an issue why cut from his comments on both ifollow & written versions on the club website interview? When asked about O'Brien and Dacosta he only talked about Dacosta. Than asked again about O'Brien he came out with "Not sure what will happen there, Not sure what will happen there" No other comments on playing 45 mins. I was surprised he started looking at the lack of game time and thought he did Ok.
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Post by secretshrew on Jan 8, 2023 16:00:46 GMT 1
I think Dunn could have gone with a relatively neutral ‘would you like to shed anymore light on that’ which could have gone anywhere.
I can’t see him playing for us again especially if we’re trying to free up a squad place here & there but what do I know.
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Post by pughywasfree on Jan 8, 2023 16:28:21 GMT 1
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. its all down to man management and only something we can speculate about I was doing a lot of speculating yesterday, at the start Dunkley looked shaky again and has been since the silly error at Cambridge now after Cambridge did cotterill put his arm around him and say, head up forget it, or did he scapegoat him in the changing room in front of everyone ? who knows, but dunkly has been a bag of nerves since did he have a quiet word with obrien and tell him it was obvious he was still not fully fit and sorry but I've made a mistake and im reluctantly going to have to bring you off today or did he say, you have done nothing, get your kit off and get dressed or did he try the polite version and obrien still kicked off who knows, but my guess is the naughty step looms If my memory serves me correctly SC came out and backed Dunkley after the game and stated he did the same in the changing room. He would lose all creditability with the players if that was a lie so I believe it to be true. Many times SC has come out and quoted himself from in the dressing room and it is always supportive of the players. I have no doubt he paints a rosey picture and can just as easily throw a strop at the players but it is his head on the line. Your suggestions paint a bad picture of SC without a shred of proof that he has poor man management skills. One thing is for sure is that he has got these players fighting for him which would be impossible if they lost faith in him through poor man management.
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 8, 2023 16:30:30 GMT 1
It is a concern though. We're on an awful run, losing three games to sides below us and then yesterday's injury time loss. The last thing we need is issues within the squad and one less player available (to an already thin squad). Not good. Heard Yesterday that Bowman’s treatment this year is after a falling out with Wilbraham, no doubts everyone else knew that? All over Facebook which I don’t do..
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Post by davycrockett on Jan 8, 2023 16:32:49 GMT 1
Really bizarre - at 19:25 - looks like O'Brien was really not happy at coming off at half time. With SC not being the most forgiving of people I wonder if that is the end. its all down to man management and only something we can speculate about I was doing a lot of speculating yesterday, at the start Dunkley looked shaky again and has been since the silly error at Cambridge now after Cambridge did cotterill put his arm around him and say, head up forget it, or did he scapegoat him in the changing room in front of everyone ? who knows, but dunkly has been a bag of nerves since did he have a quiet word with obrien and tell him it was obvious he was still not fully fit and sorry but I've made a mistake and im reluctantly going to have to bring you off today or did he say, you have done nothing, get your kit off and get dressed or did he try the polite version and obrien still kicked off who knows, but my guess is the naughty step looms Own goal against Fleetwood won’t have helped then?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jan 8, 2023 18:25:38 GMT 1
I think Dunn could have gone with a relatively neutral ‘would you like to shed anymore light on that’ which could have gone anywhere. I can’t see him playing for us again especially if we’re trying to free up a squad place here & there but what do I know. Thing is who on earth would take on OBrien after his time with us? Surely only contract cancelled by mutual consent which is going to be risky for OBrien. Will save us on probably quite high wages though I guess.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jan 8, 2023 19:34:16 GMT 1
Not many of us on here are coherent and rational after a disappointing defeat, so why expect SC to be either?
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 8, 2023 20:25:08 GMT 1
Did anyone really expect O’Brien to start yesterday and if so, to last for 90 minutes? Better start him than bring him on as sub only for him to break down. I guess the player probably felt that he had another 15 minutes in him but managers are paid to make decisions for the good of the team.
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Post by edgmond on Jan 8, 2023 20:43:46 GMT 1
It is a concern though. We're on an awful run, losing three games to sides below us and then yesterday's injury time loss. The last thing we need is issues within the squad and one less player available (to an already thin squad). Not good. Heard Yesterday that Bowman’s treatment this year is after a falling out with Wilbraham, no doubts everyone else knew that? All over Facebook which I don’t do.. Ah Facebook…..must be true then. 😉
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Post by Pilch on Jan 8, 2023 20:46:37 GMT 1
Did anyone really expect O’Brien to start yesterday and if so, to last for 90 minutes? Better start him than bring him on as sub only for him to break down. I guess the player probably felt that he had another 15 minutes in him but managers are paid to make decisions for the good of the team. like he did with saydee ? all those chances we had early on too , a couple of fresh players was what was needed
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Post by edgmond on Jan 8, 2023 20:51:35 GMT 1
Not many of us on here are coherent and rational after a disappointing defeat, so why expect SC to be either? SC is a volatile character - no secret there. As such, the post-match interviews (apart from when we win!) are largely a waste of time with emotions still too raw. I’m sure it’s a contractual obligation but one that rarely adds anything useful. However, his pre-match interviews are generally quite revealing and he often goes into detail about things, coming over as basically honest and straightforward.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jan 8, 2023 23:04:30 GMT 1
I dread to think what it would like if I was interviewed after a defeat. One thing for sure is they would need a bleeper.
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 9, 2023 9:30:22 GMT 1
I dread to think what it would like if I was interviewed after a defeat. One thing for sure is they would need a bleeper. Particularly after that Cheltenham game - that was upsetting. I wonder if that is why there is no post match interview with SC on iFollow ?
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Post by darkshrew on Jan 9, 2023 9:37:36 GMT 1
Just seen the cut on the iFollow interview at 3:47 - not subtle
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jan 14, 2023 15:01:58 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jan 14, 2023 15:02:22 GMT 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 15:06:22 GMT 1
What an absolute balls up of a signing
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jan 14, 2023 15:07:56 GMT 1
Well this signing hasn't worked at all. If he wants to go, it's probably best for all parties. Would certainly free up some wage budget for a potential replacement
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