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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 25, 2022 11:36:11 GMT 1
Listened to a bit of BBC coverage this afternoon and it left me somewhat depressed at the state of politics in the UK. The SNP MP was particularly nauseating. They seem to forget they're part of the UK. Anyway, good luck to Sunak. For all of our sakes let's hope he does a decent job as the next general election is not likely till January 2025. i find it more than a bit hypocritical when the SNP lecture the uk on economics bearing in mind they have a black hole in there finaces, there inability to even do a basic oversight on major projects just gogle island ferrys and www.scotsman.com/news/politics/edinburgh-sick-kids-and-qeuh-ps146m-bill-due-to-snp-mismanagement-claim-labour-3661790"Construction failings and issues with the management of two flagship hospitals have cost the taxpayer almost £150m, Scottish Labour have claimed" www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/scottish-government-finances-black-hole-27396695Leak shows Scottish Government facing £2.1bn 'black hole' this year as SNP accused of 'shocking' recklessness |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 25, 2022 11:44:16 GMT 1
Back to topic. Grassroot Tories have said they feel “used” by the Conservative Party over Rishi Sunak’s "coronation" and believe he has “no integrity”. Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party. She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep. “We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.” Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party. She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’. “And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.” Her comments come shortly after a Conservative think tank warned tens of thousands of members will leave the party in anger at being denied a vote on the next leader. Daily Telegraph. She still hasn't "got it" then. A large number of Tory MPs felt they cpuld work with Sunak. That's important as the country needs a government. Otherwise move over and hold a General Election. Compromises need to be made, hatchet's buried.
If thousands of Tory members resign, so be it. They are not having to work together to try to present a meaningful government each day. There's plenty of really big donors who can keep the Tory party solvent anyway.
What I still cant fathom out though is why the hell Sunak didnt get it in the first place. Why the hell did someone who half the population had never even heard of get herself in front of Sunak who we had all at least heard of whatever your opinions of him were. Just a crazy few weeks, but I guess the world has gone crazy recently in most other ways so why cant politics join in as well. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 25, 2022 14:00:25 GMT 1
Back to topic. Grassroot Tories have said they feel “used” by the Conservative Party over Rishi Sunak’s "coronation" and believe he has “no integrity”. Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party. She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep. “We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.” Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party. She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’. “And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.” Her comments come shortly after a Conservative think tank warned tens of thousands of members will leave the party in anger at being denied a vote on the next leader. Daily Telegraph. The country and the party are, today, where they should have been 2 months ago, which would have saved the country £bs and the Tory party a great deal of grief. The members have no one to blame but themselves. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 14:03:00 GMT 1
Is that an issue though? If you keep removing someone's post from a thread then eventually they will get the hint and stop, you'd hope so anyhow. And if they start a new thread asking why, who cares. If they start a new thread so that they can post whatever was removed elsewhere, who cares. As long as those who are looking to start a discussion and have a decent chat about something don't have to navigate through it then I would think its all good. Is there such an option on Proboards? lol, posts getting moved on here is so rare, but when they do what happens is exactly how I've described, and sometimes the grudge lasts forever just because I used tools available, and when you yourself was mod would often turn up a day or 2 later and moan that we didn't discuss them first, some people like me dont want personal abuse sitting on a thread at all, never mind for hours/day allowing all and sundry to read it, and join in the debate, it happens too often on here due to nothing but a minority opinion, I've clearly made my stance that I have no political bias at the moment and some people cannot accept that, it would be even worse if I was a tory I'm sure, some people have dished out one way jokes/abuse/stories but wow try suggesting the ones they are backing are a bad and you are for it, I joked yesterday and even had someone as good as suggest I deserve being bullied for it Thought I'd replied to this...  Anyhow. We're not talking so much about personal abuse, you already mentioned that above and I replied. Personal abuse should be removed as soon as it is seen or reported. And that is normally the case. No one is saying personal abuse should remain on the board, I'm not sure why you think that would or should happen from what I have suggested. Mods can still mod. And as I recall it wasn't so much about what was removed, the issue I had was with the actions taken against users who had content removed (bans, suspensions, etc.). And this isn't about or aimed at you. Does Proboards provide the option to allow those who start a thread are able to moderate it? I mean in addition to the mods who can act on all threads? As a moderator should can check that or? |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 25, 2022 14:03:27 GMT 1
You do wonder if there is some racial element in members dislike of Sunak. The chair of Worksop Tories said on Channel 4 news last night that his members would never accept someone like Sunak, and the interviewer failed to press him on what he meant.
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Post by shrewder on Oct 25, 2022 14:08:04 GMT 1
You do wonder if there is some racial element in members dislike of Sunak. The chair of Worksop Tories said on Channel 4 news last night that his members would never accept someone like Sunak, and the interviewer failed to press him on what he meant. To be honest I have had the same suspicions for a long time. I still wonder about the membership poll when Truss was selected. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2022 14:19:32 GMT 1
lol, posts getting moved on here is so rare, but when they do what happens is exactly how I've described, and sometimes the grudge lasts forever just because I used tools available, and when you yourself was mod would often turn up a day or 2 later and moan that we didn't discuss them first, some people like me dont want personal abuse sitting on a thread at all, never mind for hours/day allowing all and sundry to read it, and join in the debate, it happens too often on here due to nothing but a minority opinion, I've clearly made my stance that I have no political bias at the moment and some people cannot accept that, it would be even worse if I was a tory I'm sure, some people have dished out one way jokes/abuse/stories but wow try suggesting the ones they are backing are a bad and you are for it, I joked yesterday and even had someone as good as suggest I deserve being bullied for it Thought I'd replied to this... Anyhow. We're not talking so much about personal abuse, you already mentioned that above and I replied. Personal abuse should be removed as soon as it is seen or reported. And that is normally the case. No one is saying personal abuse should remain on the board, I'm not sure why you think that would or should happen from what I have suggested. Mods can still mod. And as I recall it wasn't so much about what was removed, the issue I had was with the actions taken against users who had content removed (bans, suspensions, etc.). And this isn't about or aimed at you. Does Proboards provide the option to allow those who start a thread are able to moderate it? I mean in addition to the mods who can act on all threads? As a moderator should can check that or? yeah, I thought I'd prove a point and I removed your off topic post ( it was what you were suggesting wasn't it ) I see your re posted it and for the record one of those few that I say turn up to moan about post vanishing turned up and posted about it, I moved it and he posted again, so I moved it again great here isn't it, especially if anyone dares to have a minority opinion or go against the bandwagon in full flow |
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Post by kenwood on Oct 25, 2022 14:20:40 GMT 1
I hear Biden has congratulated our new PM.
I think he has , or meant to but the name he used isn’t anything like Rishi Sunak .
Disgraceful in my opinion , surely he should at least get the name of our PM right - I am not amused .
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Post by edgmond on Oct 25, 2022 14:23:11 GMT 1
You do wonder if there is some racial element in members dislike of Sunak. The chair of Worksop Tories said on Channel 4 news last night that his members would never accept someone like Sunak, and the interviewer failed to press him on what he meant. To be honest I have had the same suspicions for a long time. I still wonder about the membership poll when Truss was selected. This brings us back to the whereabouts of the report into Islamophobia in the Tory party (and yes I do realise that Sunak is a Hindu). Does anyone know what happened to that or what actions were taken? If undercurrents of racism still exist, they should be exposed and dealt with, in the same way that Labour has (rightly) had to deal with anti-Semitism. The right wing press has been strangely silent on this subject. Contrast that with the clamour when Corbyn was leader. |
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Post by kenwood on Oct 25, 2022 14:24:26 GMT 1
Sorry , forgot to add , for those interested , Biden referred to our new PM as RASHI SANUK !
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2022 14:30:30 GMT 1
Sorry , forgot to add , for those interested , Biden referred to our new PM as RASHI SANUK ! I call him Richy Rish |
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Post by kenwood on Oct 25, 2022 14:31:23 GMT 1
Rishi has begun a cull of ministers what have you.
Malthouse and Buckland have gone for a start.
This could be very interesting.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 14:33:31 GMT 1
Thought I'd replied to this... Anyhow. We're not talking so much about personal abuse, you already mentioned that above and I replied. Personal abuse should be removed as soon as it is seen or reported. And that is normally the case. No one is saying personal abuse should remain on the board, I'm not sure why you think that would or should happen from what I have suggested. Mods can still mod. And as I recall it wasn't so much about what was removed, the issue I had was with the actions taken against users who had content removed (bans, suspensions, etc.). And this isn't about or aimed at you. Does Proboards provide the option to allow those who start a thread are able to moderate it? I mean in addition to the mods who can act on all threads? As a moderator should can check that or? yeah, I thought I'd prove a point and I removed your off topic post ( it was what you were suggesting wasn't it ) I see your re posted it and for the record one of those few that I say turn up to moan about post vanishing turned up and posted about it, I moved it and he posted again, so I moved it again great here isn't it, especially if anyone dares to have a minority opinion or go against the bandwagon in full flow Did you really remove my post? What point are you trying to make exactly? This isn't your thread. So no, this is not what I am suggesting. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 14:47:26 GMT 1
You do wonder if there is some racial element in members dislike of Sunak. The chair of Worksop Tories said on Channel 4 news last night that his members would never accept someone like Sunak, and the interviewer failed to press him on what he meant. Do you mean this piece? Can Rishi Sunak hold on to Tory Party’s red wall seats?It would be interesting to see what others make of that but the biggest take from that for me is that people seem to be a bit miffed that Johnson was forced out and his return was cut short. |
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Post by kp on Oct 25, 2022 15:01:20 GMT 1
i hope the next leader gets rid of the health minister, whoever it may be could be facing thsi; www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/bridgnorth/2022/10/24/west-midlands-ambulance-crews-set-to-vote-on-potential-strike-action-around-pay/"Ambulance workers across Shropshire and the wider West Midlands region have today begun working on industrial action.The GMB Union is beginning the process of balloting 15,000 workers across the country, which includes the West Midlands Ambulance Service. Stuart Richards, the GMB's senior organiser in the midlands, said: "The last 12 years has seen our ambulance services crumble from the sheer neglect and lack of investment from successive Conservative Governments" I blame Corbyn. |
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Post by kp on Oct 25, 2022 15:03:28 GMT 1
were do i start , underfunding for councils, underfunding for social care, closuer of cottage hospitals, chronic shortages of staff at care homes, a growing elderly population, a shortage of 40,000 nurses, chronic shortage of paramedics spread far to thinly and all of which leads to slow responce times and then 10 plus ambulances waiting outside of A&E. All by design so that the NHS can be criticised and private practice take over. Health Insurance anyone? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 25, 2022 15:09:43 GMT 1
Sorry , forgot to add , for those interested , Biden referred to our new PM as RASHI SANUK ! Hopefully less rashi than Truss was... |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 15:16:33 GMT 1
Rumours that Braverman might be returning as Home Secretary and Raab as Justice Minister.
And Williamson and Jenrick must be expecting something to be offered to them.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 25, 2022 15:36:20 GMT 1
Rumours that Braverman might be returning as Home Secretary and Raab as Justice Minister. And Williamson and Jenrick must be expecting something to be offered to them. Are you deliberately trying to ruin my afternoon ? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 25, 2022 15:41:23 GMT 1
Rumours that Braverman might be returning as Home Secretary and Raab as Justice Minister. And Williamson and Jenrick must be expecting something to be offered to them. Are you deliberately trying to ruin my afternoon ? If Rishi follows that plan he could be ruining his premiership at the first hurdle.
Why not go the whole hog and give NWM's sister in law a minor job?
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 15:41:58 GMT 1
Rumours that Braverman might be returning as Home Secretary and Raab as Justice Minister. And Williamson and Jenrick must be expecting something to be offered to them. Are you deliberately trying to ruin my afternoon ? The suspicion is that Sunak did a deal with some of the ERG members that if Braverman moved to support him, that he'd be giving her a top job in his new Cabinet. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 15:42:49 GMT 1
Raab 1st in to No. 10. He's clearly being given something.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 15:46:35 GMT 1
Hunt stays as Chancellor.
Simon Hart - Chief Whip.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 16:09:30 GMT 1
Yep. Raab Deputy PM and Justice Secretary.
Cleverly - Foreign Secretary.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 16:35:54 GMT 1
Gove returns.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 25, 2022 16:47:59 GMT 1
I think Rishi is trying to p**s off Johnson . Any news on Hancock ? |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 25, 2022 17:16:19 GMT 1
I think Rishi is trying to p**s off Johnson . Any news on Hancock ? And possibly the rest of us! |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 25, 2022 17:23:04 GMT 1
I think Rishi is trying to p**s off Johnson . Any news on Hancock ? And possibly the rest of us! Not a lot of experience to chose from though is there? Just a very similar old merry-go-round once you have "looked after" those you owe and kept some factions sweet. |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 25, 2022 18:14:26 GMT 1
Great news that Braverman is back
Let’s hope she sticks to her words, and isn’t all talk like Priti Patel
Illegal immigration and rising crime needs to be stamped out
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 25, 2022 18:18:13 GMT 1
And possibly the rest of us! Not a lot of experience to chose from though is there? Just a very similar old merry-go-round once you have "looked after" those you owe and kept some factions sweet. There would certainly seem to be a dearth of talent on the back benches or he just hasn’t bothered to look. I’m a bit disappointed with it to be honest. I had hoped he would have quite a break from the old guard. |
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