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Post by ssshrew on Oct 24, 2022 15:47:17 GMT 1
Whereas in fact Johnson is a lying, cheating, adulterous slime ball but then the DM would never let the facts get in the way of sucking up to someone.
It will be interesting to see how our new PM gets on as I suspect a little of the Tory party will only back him to save their own seats. He’s probably nit the Mr Clean the electorate would like. Don’t forget he was also fined for attending a party when it wasn’t allowed.
However, let’s see how he does and hope he gets longer than his predecessor.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 17:25:32 GMT 1
When Johnson eventually did decide to stand aside on Sunday night, it was just in time for a rapid rewriting of newspaper editorials. The Mail described his decision to exit the contest as “a remarkable gesture of magnanimity from a remarkable politician – perhaps the most brilliant of his generation”. In a glowing editorial it praised Johnson, suggesting it was in his gift to choose whether he wanted to be prime minister. “With his formidable campaigning skills, optimism and vision, and ability to woo parts of the electorate that had never voted Tory before – to great success in the Red Wall – who would have bet against him? But for the good of the party and the nation, he set his dream aside. This was a gesture of wisdom and statesmanship. By withdrawing from the race, he has spared his party a bloody and fatal civil war.” It said his generosity “stands in stark contrast with the petulance of some of Rishi’s supporters, who undermined Liz Truss out of spite”. Paul Dacre, the editor-in-chief of the Daily Mail’s parent company, dmg media, is still hoping to be made a Conservative life peer as part of Johnson’s resignation honours. See the problems with the DM? all rather nausiating ,when he become PM morality and doing the right thing went out of the window for a man who thought the rules did not apply to him. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 17:27:56 GMT 1
i dont envy Sunak his job ,the country is in the bigest mess since the 70's, after so much back stabbing can the conservatives actually behave and start getting this country back on track and will we finaly get some coherent leadership.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 17:28:13 GMT 1
Whereas in fact Johnson is a lying, cheating, adulterous slime ball but then the DM would never let the facts get in the way of sucking up to someone. It will be interesting to see how our new PM gets on as I suspect a little of the Tory party will only back him to save their own seats. He’s probably nit the Mr Clean the electorate would like. Don’t forget he was also fined for attending a party when it wasn’t allowed. However, let’s see how he does and hope he gets longer than his predecessor.  |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 17:29:48 GMT 1
There's a pic on Twitter of Sunak giving my half sister a hug outside CCHQ this afternoon.
It's completely put me off my tea.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 17:34:32 GMT 1
It would actually be nice to give the bloke a chance!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 17:45:26 GMT 1
It would actually be nice to give the bloke a chance! as you know im no fan of the conservatives but he does deserve a chance, considering the mess we are in (as are many other countrys) things will not improve for some time, we need stability and clear coherent leadership. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 17:45:50 GMT 1
It would actually be nice to give the bloke a chance! |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 24, 2022 17:52:35 GMT 1
It’s vital to give him a chance both for our sakes and his.
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 24, 2022 18:00:04 GMT 1
I am no Tory but at least Rishi understands how the economy works. The sooner we can put the Truss aberration behind us, the better.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 18:25:02 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 18:47:41 GMT 1
I am no Tory but at least Rishi understands how the economy works. The sooner we can put the Truss aberration behind us, the better. Somehow it didn't really look like the economy was in such a mess when Sunak was Chancellor - seemed like his tightness suspending tax threshold increases, etc. was to build up a war chest to bribe us all before the next election.
So, the key now may be who he trusts as Chancellor. The impression now of being in a deep hole is all down to Truss and Co - we might have been in a hole before, but Sunak will at least settle the markets and perhaps make the world not think the UK is on the way to being an IMF basket case.
In addition to the Chancellor role, the other big appointment is someone who can really get Brexit sorted - to the EU/UKs mutual benefit. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2022 19:03:37 GMT 1
I say get him out, he's been there hours and done nothing yet
put it back to the people, lets get brexit undone
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Post by salop27 on Oct 24, 2022 19:18:26 GMT 1
Listened to a bit of BBC coverage this afternoon and it left me somewhat depressed at the state of politics in the UK. The SNP MP was particularly nauseating. They seem to forget they're part of the UK.
Anyway, good luck to Sunak. For all of our sakes let's hope he does a decent job as the next general election is not likely till January 2025.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 19:41:48 GMT 1
I say get him out, he's been there hours and done nothing yet put it back to the people, lets get brexit undone what yiu say is just But then, you would say that wouldn't you  I say that since you couldn't be bothered to vote, what you say doesn't hold much sway either way. |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 24, 2022 19:57:22 GMT 1
I say get him out, he's been there hours and done nothing yet put it back to the people, lets get brexit undone what yiu say is just But then, you would say that wouldn't you I say that since you couldn't be bothered to vote, what you say doesn't hold much sway either way. Pilch has become the champion of champions talking bollox these days…… |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Oct 24, 2022 20:10:02 GMT 1
It would actually be nice to give the bloke a chance! Quite right! He's only had....three years as one of the figureheads of this government, get off his back!!!! |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2022 20:34:09 GMT 1
I say get him out, he's been there hours and done nothing yet put it back to the people, lets get brexit undone And you wonder why people call you out and ‘bully’ you when you post inane provocative dross like this sorry that i've not bit today to your little snipes and the fact you've been liking all the posts having a pop at me today too,i ignored them all as i knew it would wind you up , so you've resorted to making an issue out of just one of the many attempts at political humour made on this forum today , this one, your only one step from suggesting women deserve to be raped for the way they dress enough said |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 20:41:36 GMT 1
And you wonder why people call you out and ‘bully’ you when you post inane provocative dross like this sorry that i've not bit today to your little snipes and the fact you've been liking all the posts having a pop at me today too,i ignored them all as i knew it would wind you up , so you've resorted to making an issue out of just one of the many attempts at political humour made on this forum today , this one, your only one step from suggesting women deserve to be raped for the way they dress enough said Which one of my three posts today prior to the above were snipes at you? Surely you weren’t offended by me respectfully disagreeing with you on the Charlton match thread? We evidently have very different sense of humours. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2022 20:46:24 GMT 1
sorry that i've not bit today to your little snipes and the fact you've been liking all the posts having a pop at me today too,i ignored them all as i knew it would wind you up , so you've resorted to making an issue out of just one of the many attempts at political humour made on this forum today , this one, your only one step from suggesting women deserve to be raped for the way they dress enough said Which one of my three posts today prior to the above were snipes at you? Surely you weren’t offended by me respectfully disagreeing with you on the Charlton match thread? We evidently have very different sense of humours. go away loser |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 8:34:37 GMT 1
There tends to be a fair bit of inane provocative dross posted on here but it seems people only call out that which is aimed in certain directions. But there you go. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? So whoever started and wants to have a decent discussion about things can remove any s**te that's posted and keep it on topic? If so, can we give it a go? |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2022 8:43:34 GMT 1
There tends to be a fair bit of inane provocative dross posted on here but it seems people only call out that which is aimed in certain directions. But there you go. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? So whoever started and wants to have a decent discussion about things can remove any s**te that's posted and keep it on topic? If so, can we give it a go? there are mods stutty, who can instantly remove personal slurs, I certainly remove such abuse if I see it, trouble is I have a lot aimed my way and you will remember you didn't like me moving it myself, you'd rather it sat there for days until we all discussed it which we usually didn't bother, so what I do now is have to face up to it, great system |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 8:52:55 GMT 1
There tends to be a fair bit of inane provocative dross posted on here but it seems people only call out that which is aimed in certain directions. But there you go. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? So whoever started and wants to have a decent discussion about things can remove any s**te that's posted and keep it on topic? If so, can we give it a go? there are mods stutty, who can instantly remove personal slurs, I certainly remove such abuse if I see it, trouble is I have a lot aimed my way and you will remember you didn't like me moving it myself, you'd rather it sat there for days until we all discussed it which we usually didn't bother, so what I do now is have to face up to it, great system I'm not so much talking about abuse. That's normally pretty apparent, reported and removed. I am talking about some of the stuff that is posted here that disrupts a thread and those who are looking to have a decent discussion about things. Whatever you want to call it, inane provocative dross or whatever. Granted that might well be in the eye of the beholder but it would allow people to keep a discussion they are interested in on topic. They can remove anything that they deem is just looking to get a reaction from others, for example. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? Just an idea, that's all. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2022 9:00:45 GMT 1
there are mods stutty, who can instantly remove personal slurs, I certainly remove such abuse if I see it, trouble is I have a lot aimed my way and you will remember you didn't like me moving it myself, you'd rather it sat there for days until we all discussed it which we usually didn't bother, so what I do now is have to face up to it, great system I'm not so much talking about abuse. That's normally pretty apparent, reported and removed. I am talking about some of the stuff that is posted here that disrupts a thread and those who are looking to have a decent discussion about things. Whatever you want to call it, inane provocative dross or whatever. Granted that might well be in the eye of the beholder but it would allow people to keep a discussion they are interested in on topic. They can remove anything that they deem is just looking to get a reaction from others, for example. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? Just an idea, that's all. the trouble is stutty, when we remove minor things, roughly one in 3 people, instantly repost it and keep doing so until there is no other option to lock the thread to stop them , and then they create a new thread asking where the posts have gone, and when that gets deleted they create another, and then 3 or 4 regulars turn up ( same people usually) to ask when the posts went, why threads are being deleted and kindly offer their incorrect theories as to why, sad but true |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 25, 2022 9:39:41 GMT 1
I'm not so much talking about abuse. That's normally pretty apparent, reported and removed. I am talking about some of the stuff that is posted here that disrupts a thread and those who are looking to have a decent discussion about things. Whatever you want to call it, inane provocative dross or whatever. Granted that might well be in the eye of the beholder but it would allow people to keep a discussion they are interested in on topic. They can remove anything that they deem is just looking to get a reaction from others, for example. Is there an option on Proboards to allow those who create a thread to moderate it? Just an idea, that's all. the trouble is stutty, when we remove minor things, roughly one in 3 people, instantly repost it and keep doing so until there is no other option to lock the thread to stop them , and then they create a new thread asking where the posts have gone, and when that gets deleted they create another, and then 3 or 4 regulars turn up ( same people usually) to ask when the posts went, why threads are being deleted and kindly offer their incorrect theories as to why, sad but true Is that an issue though? If you keep removing someone's post from a thread then eventually they will get the hint and stop, you'd hope so anyhow. And if they start a new thread asking why, who cares. If they start a new thread so that they can post whatever was removed elsewhere, who cares. As long as those who are looking to start a discussion and have a decent chat about something don't have to navigate through it then I would think its all good. Is there such an option on Proboards? |
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Post by DiglisShrew on Oct 25, 2022 10:03:26 GMT 1
Which one of my three posts today prior to the above were snipes at you? Surely you weren’t offended by me respectfully disagreeing with you on the Charlton match thread? We evidently have very different sense of humours. go away loser Children , children - behave !! |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 25, 2022 10:05:28 GMT 1
the trouble is stutty, when we remove minor things, roughly one in 3 people, instantly repost it and keep doing so until there is no other option to lock the thread to stop them , and then they create a new thread asking where the posts have gone, and when that gets deleted they create another, and then 3 or 4 regulars turn up ( same people usually) to ask when the posts went, why threads are being deleted and kindly offer their incorrect theories as to why, sad but true Is that an issue though? If you keep removing someone's post from a thread then eventually they will get the hint and stop, you'd hope so anyhow. And if they start a new thread asking why, who cares. If they start a new thread so that they can post whatever was removed elsewhere, who cares. As long as those who are looking to start a discussion and have a decent chat about something don't have to navigate through it then I would think its all good. Is there such an option on Proboards? lol, posts getting moved on here is so rare, but when they do what happens is exactly how I've described, and sometimes the grudge lasts forever just because I used tools available, and when you yourself was mod would often turn up a day or 2 later and moan that we didn't discuss them first, some people like me dont want personal abuse sitting on a thread at all, never mind for hours/day allowing all and sundry to read it, and join in the debate, it happens too often on here due to nothing but a minority opinion, I've clearly made my stance that I have no political bias at the moment and some people cannot accept that, it would be even worse if I was a tory I'm sure, some people have dished out one way jokes/abuse/stories but wow try suggesting the ones they are backing are a bad and you are for it, I joked yesterday and even had someone as good as suggest I deserve being bullied for it |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 25, 2022 10:31:01 GMT 1
Back to topic.
Grassroot Tories have said they feel “used” by the Conservative Party over Rishi Sunak’s "coronation" and believe he has “no integrity”.
Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party.
She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep.
“We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.”
Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party.
She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’.
“And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.”
Her comments come shortly after a Conservative think tank warned tens of thousands of members will leave the party in anger at being denied a vote on the next leader.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 25, 2022 11:00:53 GMT 1
Back to topic. Grassroot Tories have said they feel “used” by the Conservative Party over Rishi Sunak’s "coronation" and believe he has “no integrity”. Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party. She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep. “We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.” Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party. She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’. “And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.” Her comments come shortly after a Conservative think tank warned tens of thousands of members will leave the party in anger at being denied a vote on the next leader. Daily Telegraph. She still hasn't "got it" then. A large number of Tory MPs felt they cpuld work with Sunak. That's important as the country needs a government. Otherwise move over and hold a General Election. Compromises need to be made, hatchet's buried.
If thousands of Tory members resign, so be it. They are not having to work together to try to present a meaningful government each day. There's plenty of really big donors who can keep the Tory party solvent anyway.
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Post by AlisonS on Oct 25, 2022 11:16:01 GMT 1
Back to topic. Grassroot Tories have said they feel “used” by the Conservative Party over Rishi Sunak’s "coronation" and believe he has “no integrity”. Tamara Woods, Chair of the Telford Conservative Association, told the BBC’s Today Programme that Mr Sunak’s “coronation” was forced upon members by the party. She said: “They have made the grassroots feel used and not needed, we are the people who have to stand on the doorstep. “We are the people who have to defend what is happening in parliament. The Conservative party is a very very big machine and they have excluded a large part of us.” Ms Woods accused the new Prime Minister of having neither the “integrity” nor the “competence” to lead the party. She added: “This is the man who in his resignation letter basically said ‘I didn’t agree with you Boris but I did what you wanted anyway’. “And had a website ready, Rishi4PM, six months before his resignation. I don’t see where that gives and shows all of us that he has integrity.” Her comments come shortly after a Conservative think tank warned tens of thousands of members will leave the party in anger at being denied a vote on the next leader. Daily Telegraph. They feel used?? What about the rest of us? They (that tiny minority of the electorate) had their chance and blew it - we have had no say whatsoever |
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