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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 8:55:14 GMT 1
Anyone care to test out the "politics is predictable" theory? My predictions are: Penny M will withdraw from the contect in the morning. The pound will hit 1.16 to the dollar, settling back to 1.15 - on the basis that financial markets are getting somone they know as PM. No ministerial jobs for Liz Truss Therese Coffey, Nadine Dorries, Boris, maybe not even Rees-Mogg. (If that prediction turns out to be true that will be excellent news). Gove will be back - well, there really isn't a lot to chose from is there? My crystal ball goes cloudy over who will be Chancellor - Who does an ex Chancellor think can do his job? I predict todays buzz word "boris" will not get much of an airing tomorrow however I predict ( insert name here ) won't be able to do right for doing wrong 'we need to put it back to the people' will get several outings in vain most will continue to forget about starmers hypocrisy and the tory bashers will like each others posts ;-) I don't think I've ever referred to Johnson by his second name. Sunak is almost nailed on to get the top job, which is probably the best for the economy and hopefully he will be able to dredge up enough people with a modicum of talent from the Tory benches to form a competent cabinet. I don't think personally that a general election would be a good idea. The Tories have helped to put the economy in the mess it is currently in, they should own it and at least try to put it right. I will not forget Starmers lies. Likes are there to express agreement, not to bully people. |
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Post by MartinB on Oct 24, 2022 9:45:57 GMT 1
Should’ve won last time. Should win this time Even if she doesn’t, the job is surely hers after a Labour wipeout in 2024 Likes a pie and a pint... Seemingly taking on Argentina over The Falklands was standing up to bullies too. What a load of s**te. Did you see her interview in Sunday morning on BBC. Basically at the start said "I am not going to answer anybody your questions" and the proceeded to not answer a single question. Pointless waste of time |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 10:04:11 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt is tweeting her support of Johnson, saying that he “put country before party, and party before self”. She did not reveal anything about where her own bid stands, but this may signal that she is planning to get the backing of MPs who declared their support for Johnson.
It certainly does. She should be ashamed of herself grubbing for votes by coming out with such tripe. The egotistical Johnson does everything for Johnson.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 10:11:32 GMT 1
Michael Fabricant is now backing Mordaunt. Can't see too much of an advantage to her there!
Meanwhile, 'gizza a job' Gove and Patel clamber on board the Sunak bandwagon.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 24, 2022 10:20:13 GMT 1
Probably controversial but as unlikeable as Michael Gove is, when he was Secretary of state For Environment, Food and Rural affairs under T.May apparently he was very good at what he did, the planning sector loved him and people who worked under him said he actually cared about what he was doing.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 10:37:05 GMT 1
Probably controversial but as unlikeable as Michael Gove is, when he was Secretary of state For Environment, Food and Rural affairs under T.May apparently he was very good at what he did, the planning sector loved him and people who worked under him said he actually cared about what he was doing. Top jobs would always elude him 'cos he comes over as a nerd, but doesn't mean he isn't hard working and committed - sadly it cost him hi  s marriage, his wife said he was more married to politics. |
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 24, 2022 10:46:44 GMT 1
Penny Mordaunt is tweeting her support of Johnson, saying that he “put country before party, and party before self”. She did not reveal anything about where her own bid stands, but this may signal that she is planning to get the backing of MPs who declared their support for Johnson. It certainly does. She should be ashamed of herself grubbing for votes by coming out with such tripe. The egotistical Johnson does everything for Johnson. I’m sorry but I’m afraid you must have misheard her! surely she said he put self before party, self before country, and self before anything else in his life. Having thought she might be ok I see she is just another deluded fool. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 11:10:45 GMT 1
Probably controversial but as unlikeable as Michael Gove is, when he was Secretary of state For Environment, Food and Rural affairs under T.May apparently he was very good at what he did, the planning sector loved him and people who worked under him said he actually cared about what he was doing. Top jobs would always elude him 'cos he comes over as a nerd, but doesn't mean he isn't hard working and committed - sadly it cost him hi s marriage, his wife said he was more married to politics. Gove started to get a negative press when he was Secretary of State for Education. What we didn't realise at the time was that he was working with Cummings. 'Cummings worked for Conservative politician Michael Gove in various roles in opposition and government from 2007 to 2014. From February 2011 to January 2014, he was special adviser (spad) and Chief of Staff to Gove at the Department for Education (DfE). "Gove, polite to a fault, would often feign ignorance of his adviser's methods, but knew full well the dark arts that Cummings deployed to get his master's way".' en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominic_Cummings |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 11:31:13 GMT 1
Simon Clarke, the levelling up secretary, has become the latest person who was supporting Boris Johnson to endorse Rishi Sunak for the Tory leadership.
Clarke was one of the leading figures in the Liz Truss campaign during the summer and, in that capacity, he often criticised Sunak aggressively in public. For example, after one debate he accused Sunak of being “extremely aggressive” towards Truss. And he co-authored a Telegraph article accusing Sunak of policy U-turns, resisting attempts to cut EU red tape and favouring “a Labour-lite economic policy”.
Another with no principles wanting a Ministerial job methinks. If he doesn't rate either candidate he could abstain - but he won't, as the greasy pole beckons.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 24, 2022 11:50:02 GMT 1
Personally anyone he gets rid of that Coffey woman and Anne-Marie Trevelyan for starters would be good.👍
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 11:56:45 GMT 1
Did the Boris camp expect Truss to last a bit longer before imploding? If Boris had managed to clear the decks of his parliamentary inquiry and possibly got people tp forget all that - put it in the past, then maybe he could have rode back in. But Truss couldn't even last till Christmas. Which leaves the Conservatives probably getting Sunak, who the membership rejected only 6 weeks ago.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 11:59:39 GMT 1
The question is...are a significant % of the 185 M.P.s backing Sunak backing him with any real enthusiasm, or are they looking for career opportunities whoever is in charge. I think we know the answer.
Mordaunt is as bad. As soon as she was knocked out by Truss she endorsed her candidacy - and was suitably rewarded by being made Leader of the House by Truss.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 12:21:42 GMT 1
i dont like any of the candidates as they are part of a cabinet/party that draged this country into a cespit of sleaze and rule bending .
im relived that boris did not get hte 100 votes whatever his statment may say ,he only cares about himself , if he had come back the county would be an even bigger laughing stock than it already is and with an investigation still ongoing we would have had another period of him covering his back and no leadership. this country is ruderless ship with no choerent goverment, we need stability and calm the markets down untill the next election.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 12:47:32 GMT 1
i dont like any of the candidates as they are part of a cabinet/party that draged this country into a cespit of sleaze and rule bending . im relived that boris did not get hte 100 votes whatever his statment may say ,he only cares about himself , if he had come back the county would be an even bigger laughing stock than it already is and with an investigation still ongoing we would have had another period of him covering his back and no leadership. this country is ruderless ship with no choerent goverment, we need stability and calm the markets down untill the next election. The next election can't come soon enough! |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 12:57:46 GMT 1
i hope the next leader gets rid of the health minister, whoever it may be could be facing thsi; www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/bridgnorth/2022/10/24/west-midlands-ambulance-crews-set-to-vote-on-potential-strike-action-around-pay/"Ambulance workers across Shropshire and the wider West Midlands region have today begun working on industrial action.The GMB Union is beginning the process of balloting 15,000 workers across the country, which includes the West Midlands Ambulance Service. Stuart Richards, the GMB's senior organiser in the midlands, said: "The last 12 years has seen our ambulance services crumble from the sheer neglect and lack of investment from successive Conservative Governments" |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 13:01:58 GMT 1
I hope that when the next General Election comes around, that voters pay a little more attention to the records of the candidates who are standing again rather than just voting for parties. On that basis Kawczynski would be toast.
That said, very few of the electorate are likely to do so.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 13:08:33 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 24, 2022 13:56:42 GMT 1
were do i start , underfunding for councils, underfunding for social care, closuer of cottage hospitals, chronic shortages of staff at care homes, a growing elderly population, a shortage of 40,000 nurses, chronic shortage of paramedics spread far to thinly and all of which leads to slow responce times and then 10 plus ambulances waiting outside of A&E. |
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Post by shrewder on Oct 24, 2022 14:02:21 GMT 1
Mordaunt concedes.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 14:06:54 GMT 1
So it's the guy who the membership put in second place to Liz Truss then.....
Williamson gets his man (in), eventually.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2022 14:14:35 GMT 1
In Sunak’s defence (for me) he helped oust Johnson, was one of the cabinet members most opposed to the Covid restrictions, and correctly predicted the absolute disaster that was Truss’s economic plans. I’m sure the critics and opposition will point to his wealth and how that makes him unsuitable, but I’d rather judge on policies and behaviours in office.
We need a general election, but more than anything we need some common sense and competent leadership so let’s hope he delivers.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 24, 2022 14:18:19 GMT 1
We need a competent leader, like Truss I’ll give him every chance and truly hope he doesn’t self destruct quite so quickly as Truss and Boris come to that.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 24, 2022 14:22:31 GMT 1
We have had to put up with this bloody Tory shambles for weeks .
This should have been sorted far earlier , Tory MP’s voted for him but then the Tory membership chucked a spanner in the works.
Ideally the Country should have the opportunity to chose who they want to bring stability and therefore a General Election would be the only sensible option .
Now we have Sunak who was a major part of Johnson’s government
What a mess but there you go , the circus continues.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 24, 2022 14:28:23 GMT 1
i dont like any of the candidates as they are part of a cabinet/party that draged this country into a cespit of sleaze and rule bending . im relived that boris did not get hte 100 votes whatever his statment may say ,he only cares about himself , if he had come back the county would be an even bigger laughing stock than it already is and with an investigation still ongoing we would have had another period of him covering his back and no leadership. this country is ruderless ship with no choerent goverment, we need stability and calm the markets down untill the next election. The next election can't come soon enough! If you join the Tory Party you will probably get an election in the next 3 months....... for party leader🙈 |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 24, 2022 14:58:46 GMT 1
The next election can't come soon enough! If you join the Tory Party you will probably get an election in the next 3 months....... for party leader🙈 " Don't be stupid, be a smarty! Come and join the Tory Party!" |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 24, 2022 15:15:52 GMT 1
I actually rate him, seems very osbourne-esque in that he's not afraid to say No, and in this tough financial environment I think you need someone who can make unpopular decisions.
Although the fact that I rate him probably means the Tory membership will despise him, but we shall see.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 24, 2022 15:18:07 GMT 1
If you join the Tory Party you will probably get an election in the next 3 months....... for party leader🙈 " Don't be stupid, be a smarty! Come and join the Tory Party!" 🤣🤣🤣🤣 surely it should be" you are stupid, not a smarty if you join the Tory party" |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 24, 2022 15:40:31 GMT 1
When Johnson eventually did decide to stand aside on Sunday night, it was just in time for a rapid rewriting of newspaper editorials. The Mail described his decision to exit the contest as “a remarkable gesture of magnanimity from a remarkable politician – perhaps the most brilliant of his generation”.
In a glowing editorial it praised Johnson, suggesting it was in his gift to choose whether he wanted to be prime minister. “With his formidable campaigning skills, optimism and vision, and ability to woo parts of the electorate that had never voted Tory before – to great success in the Red Wall – who would have bet against him? But for the good of the party and the nation, he set his dream aside. This was a gesture of wisdom and statesmanship. By withdrawing from the race, he has spared his party a bloody and fatal civil war.”
It said his generosity “stands in stark contrast with the petulance of some of Rishi’s supporters, who undermined Liz Truss out of spite”.
Paul Dacre, the editor-in-chief of the Daily Mail’s parent company, dmg media, is still hoping to be made a Conservative life peer as part of Johnson’s resignation honours.
See the problems with the DM?
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Post by shrewder on Oct 24, 2022 15:42:35 GMT 1
Good choice until Keir Starmer can be appointed Prime Minister at the next election.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 24, 2022 15:45:56 GMT 1
If you join the Tory Party you will probably get an election in the next 3 months....... for party leader🙈 " Don't be stupid, be a smarty! Come and join the Tory Party!" tory bashers daily party all a bit arty farty |
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