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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 13:33:58 GMT 1
To be, or not to be, that is the question William Shakespeare could not have come up with a better tale of intrigue. 
those 6 words establish a balance of whether its better being alive or dead, after reading your posts I often ask myself the same question “Choose life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a ****ing big television. Choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers... Choose DIY and wondering who the **** you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit crushing game shows, stuffing junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away in the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, ****ed up brats you spawned to replace yourself, choose your future. Choose life". |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 14:07:41 GMT 1
will he get 2 lots of £118,000 when he resigns in a few weeks ? Truss and Boris have yet to produce their resignation honours lists. Larry the Cat seems to be a more deserving recipient than some of the names mentioned as likely beneficiaries. That said, Starmer must be away with the fairies recommending Tom Watson for a peerage. Free ammunition to the Tories. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 15:35:36 GMT 1
The election system in this country is no longer fit for purpose. I'm not saying the ones used in many other countries around are much better, the US Election College system for example is beyond flawed, as is the representation in the Senate.
The FPTP system is almost childlike in its design. If there were 10 friends going out for a meal and they decided to use the same system for choosing where to go there would be arguments every time. 4 want a pizza, 3 want Chinese, 2 want to go to TFIs and 1 is keen to try the new Indian down the road. The 4 will always get their way, until the day that one of those pizza fans fancies a change. It is like a say, childlike, but then again that sums up politics all over this country, just watch the braying donkeys every week in the Commons, from all sides of the chamber.
Doesn't matter what voting system is used, your statement about the majority voting for him was incorrect. oh I see what you are doing, just irrelevant point scoring Mmmm, now who does that remind me of?
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2022 15:53:19 GMT 1
will he get 2 lots of £118,000 when he resigns in a few weeks ? Truss and Boris have yet to produce their resignation honours lists. Larry the Cat seems to be a more deserving recipient than some of the names mentioned as likely beneficiaries. That said, Starmer must be away with the fairies recommending Tom Watson for a peerage. Free ammunition to the Tories. Tom watson has never apoloagised for his behaviour or the pain he caused, he should never ever sit in the house of lords |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 18:09:50 GMT 1
Truss will still be in post when next Wednesday's PMQs take place.
Will she turn up?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 18:14:28 GMT 1
Do we reckon Boris actually has 100 backers Rees-Mogg claims, seem a bit slow coming fwd if they do?
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 18:20:56 GMT 1
Truss will still be in post when next Wednesday's PMQs take place. Will she turn up? The poor woman should be shown some mercy. She may think she's a fighter, not a quitter, but her seconds, like that bruiser Thérèse Coffey, need to throw in the towel to avoid further punishment.
Maybe Sir Kier will come over all chivalrous - if there is anything nice you can say about the poor lady.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 18:26:49 GMT 1
Do we reckon Boris actually has 100 backers Rees-Mogg claims, seem a bit slow coming fwd if they do? As I've posted elsewhere, Boris and his team put up as many MPs as they could as early as they could in order to create the impression of momentum. It's been alleged that one or two were threatened with deselection by their Constituencies if they didn't back Johnson. But the numbers have stalled in the 50's, he's failed to persuade Mordaunt to withdraw even though her position seems hopeless, and I think that his hopes are pinned on the meeting of the right wing ERG group tomorrow, where those who haven't already declared their preference will decide who to vote for. In the meantime, Rees-Mogg and Heaton-Harris are almost certainly lying on his behalf when they claim that he's reached the 100 mark. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 18:33:07 GMT 1
Do we reckon Boris actually has 100 backers Rees-Mogg claims, seem a bit slow coming fwd if they do? As I've posted elsewhere, Boris and his team put up as many MPs as they could as early as they could in order to create the impression of momentum. It's been alleged that one or two were threatened with deselection by their Constituencies if they didn't back Johnson. But the numbers have stalled in the 50's, he's failed to persuade Mordaunt to withdraw even though her position seems hopeless, and I think that his hopes are pinned on the meeting of the right wing ERG group tomorrow, where those who haven't already declared their preference will decide who to vote for. In the meantime, Rees-Mogg and Heaton Harris are almost certainly lying on his behalf when they claim that he's reached the 100 mark. Rees-Mogg is posh. he doesn't lie. No, for one as posh as one is one tells 'untruths'. Or, for the great British public: porkies. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 18:42:25 GMT 1
But if Johnson scrapes together 100 votes, then even if Sunak receives 200 votes and the MPs recommend he become PM, it would still have to go to the Membership, who've rejected Sunak once and could very well do so again.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 18:49:19 GMT 1
But if Johnson scrapes together 100 votes, then even if Sunak receives 200 votes and the MPs recommend he become PM, it would still have to go to the Membership, who've rejected Sunak once and could very well do so again. You’re right, they could, but not sure even Tory members would be that stupid, but can’t put it past them. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 20:03:58 GMT 1
But if Johnson scrapes together 100 votes, then even if Sunak receives 200 votes and the MPs recommend he become PM, it would still have to go to the Membership, who've rejected Sunak once and could very well do so again. You’re right, they could, but not sure even Tory members would be that stupid, but can’t put it past them. Some Tory members gave up their membership after the last stitch up - were they Boris fans or Sunak? |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 23, 2022 20:26:59 GMT 1
But if Johnson scrapes together 100 votes, then even if Sunak receives 200 votes and the MPs recommend he become PM, it would still have to go to the Membership, who've rejected Sunak once and could very well do so again. You’re right, they could, but not sure even Tory members would be that stupid, but can’t put it past them. bearing in mind so many conseravtive members want him back the bar is rather low |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 20:45:52 GMT 1
You’re right, they could, but not sure even Tory members would be that stupid, but can’t put it past them. bearing in mind so many conseravtive members want him back the bar is rather low Perhaps many in red wall, but others do realise the circus that would follow Boris with the standards & privileges committee, and I’m unsure they would vote against the MPs a second time, given how badly it’s turned out with Truss. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 20:47:03 GMT 1
Also, many members do seem to be saying that it should just be MPs who make the decision.
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 23, 2022 21:07:31 GMT 1
Boris has pulled out of the race
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2022 21:08:43 GMT 1
Boris has pulled out of the race Good. |
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Post by kenwood on Oct 23, 2022 21:13:22 GMT 1
Boris has pulled out of the race Good. Yes, pulled out saying it’s not the right thing to do if he hasn’t got the full backing of the party behind him, OR he just hasn’t got the required no. of votes . All the rigmarole for nothing, back on his hols he goes 😂 Looks like Sunak to be PM . Boris can now concentrate on facing his next hurdle , a parliamentary committee who can smell blood! |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 21:14:16 GMT 1
Hallelujah! Having a large glass of port to celebrate.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 23, 2022 21:17:11 GMT 1
Tempted to say it’s first time Boris has pulled out of anything.
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Post by kenwood on Oct 23, 2022 21:26:03 GMT 1
I wouldn’t like Sunak to become PM , he seems far too sensible with a fine understanding of economics . Boris would be great , led into the chamber by Nadine fawning over him with Priti Patel . What a sight as Tory MP’s roar their approval. Not many of them mind , as half of them would have resigned or crossed the floor . No, there’s only one MP in my book to undertake such a position and that is Danny K . With him in charge we would all be completely f.cked but we would die laughing. Can someone tell me why the Shropshire Star refer to our ex PM as MRS Truss . Strange. I do understand completely that your opening paragraph is delivered with heavy irony, but there is evidence from some contributions on here that such a view should be taken seriously, in other words anything which can assist what is already, in my view, an almost inevitable Labour victory at the next GE. As a Conservative member, that strikes me as the Left doing exactly what they accuse the Conservatives of doing - putting their own needs above those of the country; I do not necessarily query the rights or wrongs with such a stance, but merely observe its existence. As for the possibility of Mr Johnson returning, I wouldn't be in favour, notwithstanding the fact that he still retains a degree of popularity in certain quarters: to the average Tory, he is a proven vote-winner, and to all those non-Tory Brexit voters, he is the PM who " delivered"; for me, however, he is a weak man, albeit with a fairly reliable political compass, but lacking a moral one.....such a great shame. I cannot find fault in your post . It is a fair and honest resume of the present state of affairs . However, Johnson has now decided to withdraw from the Leadership contest , good , but I fear as a Labour supporter that Sunak may well turn around the fortunes of his party to such an extent that a Labour victory at the next GE will not be such a landslide as looked possible recently . I only hope that Boris and his supporters don’t try and muddy the waters so to speak . I don’t like the idea of Boris shouting from the sidelines , best if he decides to depart altogether to earn squillions on the circuit . |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 23, 2022 21:27:51 GMT 1
Hopefully PM will pull in his votes now and get over the 100……
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 21:34:39 GMT 1
Most likely now is they crown the one the members rejected last time. Probably some pressure on Penny M to withdraw and unite behind Sunak.
If I rememder rightly, Mr Sunak promised to hounour the triple lock this year when he was Chancellor? Doubt over benefit rises though
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Post by kenwood on Oct 23, 2022 21:45:28 GMT 1
Hopefully PM will pull in his votes now and get over the 100…… Let’s hope not. Lets hope it’s all over bar the shouting so that we can get on with a proper discussion on economic/ fiscal issues before this country slides into even more of a dark hole. It looks as if Sunak has the majority backing of Tory MP’s and we won’t have to have a contest decided by the membership . That would be good for the Country . There are others issues to contend with with the NHS/ Social Care problem having to be faced . Perhaps it’s time for all parties to join together to help alleviate pressures in this area . Over many years successive governments have failed us all in tackling this issue which was known to be a major area of concern looming over us since the 1970/80’s with the forecast of a growing elderly population. We will see , but I look forward to a sensible PMQ’s without the usual point scoring and ridicule which has been so apparent recently. |
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Post by salop27 on Oct 23, 2022 21:52:22 GMT 1
Sunak will be crowned PM at 2pm tomorrow.
I can't see Mourdant getting over the 100 votes to contest.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 22:25:03 GMT 1
Anyone care to test out the "politics is predictable" theory?
My predictions are:
Penny M will withdraw from the contect in the morning.
The pound will hit 1.16 to the dollar, settling back to 1.15 - on the basis that financial markets are getting somone they know as PM.
No ministerial jobs for Liz Truss Therese Coffey, Nadine Dorries, Boris, maybe not even Rees-Mogg.
(If that prediction turns out to be true that will be excellent news).
Gove will be back - well, there really isn't a lot to chose from is there?
My crystal ball goes cloudy over who will be Chancellor - Who does an ex Chancellor think can do his job?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 22:38:22 GMT 1
Anyone care to test out the "politics is predictable" theory? My predictions are: Penny M will withdraw from the contect in the morning. The pound will hit 1.16 to the dollar, settling back to 1.15 - on the basis that financial markets are getting somone they know as PM. No ministerial jobs for Liz Truss Therese Coffey, Nadine Dorries, Boris, maybe not even Rees-Mogg. (If that prediction turns out to be true that will be excellent news). Gove will be back - well, there really isn't a lot to chose from is there? My crystal ball goes cloudy over who will be Chancellor - Who does an ex Chancellor think can do his job? I predict todays buzz word "boris" will not get much of an airing tomorrow however I predict ( insert name here ) won't be able to do right for doing wrong 'we need to put it back to the people' will get several outings in vain most will continue to forget about starmers hypocrisy and the tory bashers will like each others posts ;-) |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 24, 2022 6:33:40 GMT 1
Well I think a good few of us saw Sunak as future PM material. Although I don't think anyone expected it to be in such circumstances. Once again find myself wishing a new PM luck. As with anyone who is picking up the baton in these difficult times, he'll need it.
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Post by MartinB on Oct 24, 2022 8:00:31 GMT 1
Boris has pulled out of the race And does anyone believe he had 100 MP's supporting him? I certainly don't |
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Post by kp on Oct 24, 2022 8:36:52 GMT 1
Should’ve won last time. Should win this time Even if she doesn’t, the job is surely hers after a Labour wipeout in 2024 Likes a pie and a pint... Seemingly taking on Argentina over The Falklands was standing up to bullies too. What a load of s**te. |
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