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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 22, 2022 18:07:56 GMT 1
There is still the possibility Boris won’t run, still on 50 confirmed backings and plenty of mp’s who won’t want to vote for Rishi. 60 from the one nation faction who have put their hat on Rishi alledgly but in letters of no confidence in BJ first time round. There are around 100 members of the one nation group most supporting RS.
So still a good possibility PM can get that 100.
If she does it is not a certainty the party members will vote for Sunack
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Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2022 20:18:42 GMT 1
There is still the possibility Boris won’t run, still on 50 confirmed backings and plenty of mp’s who won’t want to vote for Rishi. 60 from the one nation faction who have put their hat on Rishi alledgly but in letters of no confidence in BJ first time round. There are around 100 members of the one nation group most supporting RS. So still a good possibility PM can get that 100. If she does it is not a certainty the party members will vote for Sunack I wish I shared your optimism. Mordaunt is trailing badly at the moment, and her best bet is if Boris pulls out, which I reckon is very unlikely. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 22, 2022 21:10:02 GMT 1
As London mayor, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when rioting erupted in 2011. As prime minister, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when the Taliban retook Kabul in 2021. But a sniff of a chance of replacing Truss, and he's on the first plane back from the Caribbean.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2022 21:50:59 GMT 1
As London mayor, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when rioting erupted in 2011. As prime minister, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when the Taliban retook Kabul in 2021. But a sniff of a chance of replacing Truss, and he's on the first plane back from the Caribbean. didn't she resign on thursday and he got back today ? when you say first plane did you mean first plane or was it was that a blatant lie ? |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 22, 2022 22:34:19 GMT 1
As London mayor, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when rioting erupted in 2011. As prime minister, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when the Taliban retook Kabul in 2021. But a sniff of a chance of replacing Truss, and he's on the first plane back from the Caribbean. didn't she resign on thursday and he got back today ? when you say first plane did you mean first plane or was it was that a blatant lie ? He should not have been on holiday in the first place. He should have been representing the people of Uxbridge either in Parliament or in the constituency. After all that is what he is paid for, but the biggest self serving PM in our lifetime is on a plane back as soon as he realises that there are still people around who are stupid enough to support him. |
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 22, 2022 23:04:38 GMT 1
Won't post it all as I think just this section will do. This is from an article in the Telegraph today... Boris Johnson will face Commons scrutiny on partygate up to three times a week from next month as the Privileges Committee investigating him picks up the pace of its inquiry.
The seven-strong committee of MPs will begin to hear oral evidence from witnesses in their attempt to decide whether Mr Johnson misled Parliament.
It could ultimately recommend that he is suspended from the House of Commons, which in turn could trigger a recall petition and by-election in his constituency of Uxbridge and South Ruislip.So if he did win the leadership race, wouldn't things just be back to where it started? I can't recall exactly now but I'm sure there has been someone in the past who wasn't a constituency MP who was PM and so it might be possible...but I'm not 100% sure on that. But you suspect if he was to lose his seat it would just create more chaos, confusion, division and bring about more embarrassment to the Tory party. Not to mention that is a lot of time he will be spending defending himself, rather than actually running the country! |
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Post by MetaShrew on Oct 23, 2022 1:46:29 GMT 1
Boris has as many redeeming qualities as Seb Stockbridge. Hear me out. - Refuses to implement basic principles of discipline.
- Doesn't act until he is guaranteed to be the centre of attention.
- Tolerates time wasting.
- Drops the ball regularly.
- Complaints against him are unlikely to progress.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 7:52:53 GMT 1
sorry guys, we are going to have to keep those strait jackets on just yet , you all seem to be obsessed with boris again , i know you'll all be gutted when he announces he's not standing , but you'll have to keep jumping up and down steaming until then 😝😝😝
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 23, 2022 7:54:59 GMT 1
To be fair to Boris he does find the back of the net when it matters unlike other politicians
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 7:56:04 GMT 1
didn't she resign on thursday and he got back today ? when you say first plane did you mean first plane or was it was that a blatant lie ? He should not have been on holiday in the first place. He should have been representing the people of Uxbridge either in Parliament or in the constituency. After all that is what he is paid for, but the biggest self serving PM in our lifetime is on a plane back as soon as he realises that there are still people around who are stupid enough to support him. what you are saying is he should be rushing back from wherever he is to do what the majority voted for and represent our country as pm, oh wait your saying he shouldn't do that either , oh your just going through the motions of moaning for the sake of it , got it 👍 |
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Post by shrewder on Oct 23, 2022 7:58:50 GMT 1
To be fair to Boris he does find the back of the net when it matters unlike other politicians Maybe but by foul means, so he would have been sent off so often he would have eventually recieved a life ban. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 23, 2022 8:47:15 GMT 1
He should not have been on holiday in the first place. He should have been representing the people of Uxbridge either in Parliament or in the constituency. After all that is what he is paid for, but the biggest self serving PM in our lifetime is on a plane back as soon as he realises that there are still people around who are stupid enough to support him. what you are saying is he should be rushing back from wherever he is to do what the majority voted for and represent our country as pm, oh wait your saying he shouldn't do that either , oh your just going through the motions of moaning for the sake of it , got it 👍 No. Why is he on holiday when Parliament is sitting? He already had about 8 weeks in the summer why more? It shows he just doesn't care. Incidentally, the majority did not vote for him. 57.6% didn't |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 9:01:31 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 9:34:22 GMT 1
And that's the point. The first past the post electoral system stinks and effectively disenfranchises a vast % of the population. Neither the Conservatives nor Labour want to change it though as it suits their purposes. Therefore voters are given the choice of one of them in most places or are wasting their vote. The Lib Dems can win a few seats (North Shropshire included) but are frozen out in most constituencies. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779901 |
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Post by salop27 on Oct 23, 2022 10:21:17 GMT 1
And that's the point. The first past the post electoral system stinks and effectively disenfranchises a vast % of the population. Neither the Conservatives nor Labour want to change it though as it suits their purposes. Therefore voters are given the choice of one of them in most places or are wasting their vote. The Lib Dems can win a few seats (North Shropshire included) but are frozen out in most constituencies. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779901There was a referendum in 2011 with nearly 70% voting to stick with the first past the post system. Doesn't matter what system we have party politics will ruin it. It's pathetic really. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 10:24:57 GMT 1
Boris Johnson has told supporters he has not struck a deal with Rishi Sunak and will continue to seek the Tory leadership, the Telegraph understands.
On an 8am call with supportive Tory MPs, the former prime minister urged them to hit the phones to convince colleagues to back his campaign. The message came after Mr Johnson and Mr Sunak held face-to-face talks in London last night as they squared off over their bids to become the next prime minister.
One MP on the virtual meeting told The Telegraph they were left in "no doubt" that Mr Johnson was still seeking the Tory leadership.
Daily Telegraph
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Post by northwestman on Oct 23, 2022 11:20:53 GMT 1
As London mayor, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when rioting erupted in 2011. As prime minister, Johnson didn't cut his holiday short when the Taliban retook Kabul in 2021. But a sniff of a chance of replacing Truss, and he's on the first plane back from the Caribbean. didn't she resign on thursday and he got back today ? when you say first plane did you mean first plane or was it was that a blatant lie ? Not a 'blatant lie'. Johnson first took soundings as to whether he had sufficient support to throw his hat into the ring. Once that had been confirmed and his supporters started working on his behalf, he was on the 1st plane out. According to one cabinet member, the lobbying campaign for Johnson was “very quick and very aggressive”. Senior figures were contacted with the view of having as many public supporters as possible early on in the race, to convince waverers that it was now plausible to think the unthinkable and bring back a leader ditched just months earlier for being incapable of avoiding scandal and crises. Every tactic was used to get an early bump in support that would create a sense of momentum. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 23, 2022 11:40:17 GMT 1
Doesn't matter what voting system is used, your statement about the majority voting for him was incorrect. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 11:44:45 GMT 1
To be fair to Boris he does find the back of the net when it matters unlike other politicians Various Auspicious Respected MPs ruled him offside. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 11:44:56 GMT 1
Doesn't matter what voting system is used, your statement about the majority voting for him was incorrect. oh I see what you are doing, just irrelevant point scoring |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 23, 2022 11:47:32 GMT 1
And that's the point. The first past the post electoral system stinks and effectively disenfranchises a vast % of the population. Neither the Conservatives nor Labour want to change it though as it suits their purposes. Therefore voters are given the choice of one of them in most places or are wasting their vote. The Lib Dems can win a few seats (North Shropshire included) but are frozen out in most constituencies. www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779901There was a referendum in 2011 with nearly 70% voting to stick with the first past the post system. Doesn't matter what system we have party politics will ruin it. It's pathetic really. I wasn't actually aware of this until years later. That is the same for the vast majority of people I have discussed this with. Whilst 70% voted to stick to the first past the post system it would be interesting to know the turn out, how many of the electorate knew of the referendum and how many bothered to vote in it. |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 23, 2022 11:48:06 GMT 1
According to BBC……latest you gov poll say if B Johnson does get past 100 nominations and vote goes out to party members it looks likely he will win….Was mentioned on tv but admittedly have not found evidence of source online
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 11:56:34 GMT 1
will he get 2 lots of £118,000 when he resigns in a few weeks ?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 23, 2022 12:02:03 GMT 1
According to BBC latest you gov poll says if B Johnson does get past 100 nominations and vote goes out to party members he will win…. Out of the frying pan and into the fire comes to mind. I would have liked to have seen Badenoch win the first round. I think Mordaunt would be the better choice this time around. Looks like neither will be put to the membership...  |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 23, 2022 12:03:02 GMT 1
will he get 2 lots of £118,000 when he resigns in a few weeks ? If wasn’t for the impending mis leading Parliament enquiry he would have more support…..if Boris Johnson gets over 100 will a vote go to party members, I think a reason not to may well be sought, the Establishment want Rishi |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 23, 2022 12:16:24 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 12:31:28 GMT 1
will he get 2 lots of £118,000 when he resigns in a few weeks ? Don't worry, If he doesn't Mr JCB will pay for his holidays, etc. with money made off the hard work of insecure in their employment agency workers putting together Chinese parts to make construction equipment that used to be regarded as world leading, but nowadays seems to be regarded as unreliable. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 23, 2022 12:40:44 GMT 1
To be, or not to be, that is the question William Shakespeare could not have come up with a better tale of intrigue. 
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Post by Catalyst Cartel on Oct 23, 2022 12:57:21 GMT 1
Whoever is the Prime Minister, nevermind which party is just another puppet on a string.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 23, 2022 13:16:47 GMT 1
To be, or not to be, that is the question William Shakespeare could not have come up with a better tale of intrigue.
those 6 words establish a balance of whether its better being alive or dead, after reading your posts I often ask myself the same question |
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