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Post by edgmond on Oct 20, 2022 18:06:34 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 20, 2022 18:22:49 GMT 1
I am always in awe of bilingual people! What's German for " deposed leader was mad as a box of frogs"; "UK politics in turmoii"; "Great Britain reduced to a trashed economy and a laughing stock in 44 days" and "some are talking of bringing back disgraced ex PM"? |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 20, 2022 20:22:07 GMT 1
Stop me if I'm wrong but didn't Boris have to resign because he covered up for a sex offender in parliament? If you're seriously suggesting he should return as PM you need your head examining. He's lucky he's not in jail at this point.
Presumably we'll get served up a string of non entities until we finally get to oust this utter shambles via a general election.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 20, 2022 20:55:43 GMT 1
Stop me if I'm wrong but didn't Boris have to resign because he covered up for a sex offender in parliament? He's lucky he's not in jail at this point. maybe Kier Starmer was left in charge of prosecuting him |
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Post by armchairfan on Oct 20, 2022 20:58:03 GMT 1
To be honest a general election right now would not be in Labours best interests. The economy is in the s**tter, interest rates are climbing, inflation is over 10%, energy prices (even with the government intervention) are stratospheric and set to climb even further, winter is around the corner and there is just not a quick fix. This is the Tories mess, let them take the responsibility for it. An easy general election win hands the poisoned chalice to Labour to deal with. HELP....! Dammit Neil, still a further point of agreement in many ways, albeit somewhat diluted by a shrug of "typical" ....you mention Labour's best interests " in your first sentence, rather than the COUNTRY'S best interests.... Never mind, my friend - between us, we'll keep other members of the board on their political toes....haha In general terms, and nothing to do with my political views, I happen to think that a GE now would serve as a massive distraction from the issues which we are facing, both domestically and internationally; these issues require governmental focus, even the focus of a limping and error-strewn Conservative one.... Personally, I hope that a suitable candidate for leader of the Conservative Party and therefore PM, "emerges"; I will stick with my original choice of Rishi Sunak, perhaps with Ben Wallace as an alternative. |
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 20, 2022 22:23:35 GMT 1
I just remembered what trickle down economics was under Thatcher! Let London and the South East get rich and p#ss on the Northerners!
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Post by kenwood on Oct 20, 2022 22:39:29 GMT 1
I wouldn’t like Sunak to become PM , he seems far too sensible with a fine understanding of economics .
Boris would be great , led into the chamber by Nadine fawning over him with Priti Patel . What a sight as Tory MP’s roar their approval. Not many of them mind , as half of them would have resigned or crossed the floor .
No, there’s only one MP in my book to undertake such a position and that is Danny K . With him in charge we would all be completely f.cked but we would die laughing.
Can someone tell me why the Shropshire Star refer to our ex PM as MRS Truss . Strange.
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 20, 2022 22:59:28 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2022 9:10:29 GMT 1
There seem to be a ridiculous number of the electorate, both in the Membership of the Tory Party and in the country as a whole who, despite the overwhelming evidence against Johnson, are wanting him to return.
He's apparently already halfway there with regards to the number of M.P.s who have declared their support for him. 51 at the last count. And if it goes to the Membership, who have already rejected Sunak, then there's only one result.
He's now 5/2 2nd favourite with the bookies.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 21, 2022 9:38:59 GMT 1
Poll published this morning has the conservatives on 14%
Bringing Boris back doesn't seem like a great strategy.
GBP back at $1.11 and FTSE 100 has given up all its gains from the last week (was back over 7k a couple of days ago, now sub 6900) so markets don't seem overly enthused.
But fine, let's go through this whole farce one more time, just for the hell of it.
(The word cloud below the poll in that Twitter thread is really quite revealing also).
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Post by kp on Oct 21, 2022 9:41:38 GMT 1
Starmer was the architect of Labours disastrous stance on Brexit. It was well known by anyone who bothered to look beyond the rhetoric that Corbyn was/is a Euro skeptic. The only disaster was Brexit itself as has been proved conclusively since. It has brought no advantage whatsoever and saddled us with a string of incompetent politicians, chameleon Truss being the latest. The downside of Starmer is he has ruled out rejoining the EU purely as a sop to what is now, and has been for a long time, the minority who still have their heads buried in the sand and for electoral advantage on his part. Yes but unfortunately it had been voted on and a majority voted for it. Given that FACT it was political suicide to take the stance Labour did and Starmer was the architect of that stance. |
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 21, 2022 9:45:54 GMT 1
How on Earth can you reinstate Blojo! The man completely ballsed up the COVID pandemic apart from getting people the jab early, and that was a gamble, and everything else was a disaster! Selling PPE to China, trying herd immunity, putting sick old people in care homes, locking down too late, opened up too soon, the list is fecking endless! And yet the dumbass British electorate turn round and say “but he got the us the jab earlier that the EU”! What a muppet.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 21, 2022 9:54:17 GMT 1
How on Earth can you reinstate Blojo! The man completely ballsed up the COVID pandemic apart from getting people the jab early, and that was a gamble, and everything else was a disaster! Selling PPE to China, trying herd immunity, putting sick old people in care homes, locking down too late, opened up too soon, the list is fecking endless! And yet the dumbass British electorate turn round and say “but he got the us the jab earlier that the EU”! What a muppet. Most of the British electorate pretty consistently rejected Boris and a huge majority indicate they will in a GE. It's our wonderful first past the post system which means the largest " dumbass" minority get to call the shots. |
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Post by Valerioch on Oct 21, 2022 9:57:47 GMT 1
Boris down from 10/1 to 15/8 in 24 hours. He's leading the way on 53 votes, with Mordaunt in 3rd place down on 17. It's becoming more likely by the hour he's coming back  |
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 21, 2022 10:11:44 GMT 1
Boris down from 10/1 to 15/8 in 24 hours. He's leading the way on 53 votes, with Mordaunt in 3rd place down on 17. It's becoming more likely by the hour he's coming back If Blojo does come back, I’m betting it’s the “Red Wall” MP’s who get him back! I cannot believe that people up north like this bollox! I now believe this is a scam by the “Red Wall” MP’s who know they haven’t got a chance of keeping their seats at the next election and are trying to bring down as many Tory MP’s as possible! It’s the only reason I can see for getting that idiot back! |
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 21, 2022 10:13:47 GMT 1
Sunak is the sensible choice, but Boris does still have a lot of good will among a class of voter the Conservatives struggle to attract.
If I worked for Tory HQ I would be bringing Boris back, could see them jumping back up to 30% in the polls pretty quickly if they did.
Personally think it's a shame, he resigned because he lied and broke rules, what example is it setting for the country to welcome him back with open arms?
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 21, 2022 10:51:12 GMT 1
What part of “Boris lied to you” don’t people understand??
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Oct 21, 2022 10:56:33 GMT 1
Remember folks, he got the jab early! Apart from that errrrr….. nothing!
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2022 11:04:42 GMT 1
How on Earth can you reinstate Blojo! The man completely ballsed up the COVID pandemic apart from getting people the jab early, and that was a gamble, and everything else was a disaster! Selling PPE to China, trying herd immunity, putting sick old people in care homes, locking down too late, opened up too soon, the list is fecking endless! And yet the dumbass British electorate turn round and say “but he got the us the jab earlier that the EU”! What a muppet. Kate Bingham wasn't over impressed either. She criticises a Westminster machine whose “box ticking instincts” and control-freakery regularly pushed the forthright venture capitalist to despair during her seven-month sabbatical to Government. “If I had ever been asked the question ‘What is the biggest threat to the success of the Vaccine Task Force?’ the honest answer would have been ‘Large parts of the rest of Whitehall’,” she writes. While certain individuals excelled and many more worked hard, “process apparently mattered more than outcomes” among civil servants, the Cabinet Office was the “bane of our existence”, and communications teams were “irresponsible… unfocused and patchily competent”. Meanwhile there was a “near total ignorance” about what vaccine manufacturing actually entailed, and a National Audit Office’s investigation that began just two months after the VTF launched was a “foolish and expensive joke”, which wasted time and resources. Her book leaves no doubt that Bingham believes the VTF secured and rolled out a portfolio of successful coronavirus vaccines in spite of, not because of, Whitehall. It wasn’t until the summer of 2020 – when Bingham attended her first meeting in Downing Street, that she realised just how much the hierarchical, bureaucratic system could obfuscate work. The VTF had submitted a business case and initial budget to the Treasury, but when she asked the then Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, why approval had not yet been granted, he “had no idea” what she was referring to. “I was pretty shocked,” says Bingham, incredulous. “Even within Number 10, there was a real indifference about what was going on with vaccines. It wasn’t a high priority.” Relationships within Government were also, at points, strained. Lee Cain, former Downing Street director of communications, “briefed against” Bingham in the newspapers and banned her from speaking to the media when she was publicising the Vaccine Registry. Meanwhile Matt Hancock launched an “extraordinary ambush… trading in Dr Jekyll for Mr Hyde”, as he questioned her competence in front of his cabinet colleagues at one meeting. “It was pure politics. It seemed to me that Matt was still aggrieved that responsibility for vaccines had been taken from him and his department and moved over to BEIS,” Bingham wrote, adding that the department’s then secretary of state, Alok Sharma, was “insufficiently devious” to take on Hancock. When Bingham left, the VTF was absorbed into Health. Daily Telegraph. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2022 11:27:51 GMT 1
Gavin Williamson has a difficult decision to make now. Assuming he's still on Team Sunak, which candidate does he now concentrate on attacking and which does he possibly 'lend' votes to in order to make sure the weakest candidate is presented to the Membership together with Sunak?
If Johnson makes it to the Membership he's more or less a shoe in, but the Membership are also more likely to prefer Mordaunt to Sunak, who they've already rejected.
On the other hand, perhaps he's already switched to Team Boris, as he was once Johnson's campaign manager.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 21, 2022 11:27:58 GMT 1
The Daily Mail working flat out to rubbish the prospect of a potential breath of fresh air becoming leader:
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Post by servernaside on Oct 21, 2022 11:32:31 GMT 1
Stop me if I'm wrong but didn't Boris have to resign because he covered up for a sex offender in parliament? If you're seriously suggesting he should return as PM you need your head examining. He's lucky he's not in jail at this point. Presumably we'll get served up a string of non entities until we finally get to oust this utter shambles via a general election. I agree. He should at least have received a life sentence for having more than the permitted number of candles in his birthday cake. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 21, 2022 11:42:28 GMT 1
Daily Mail hints at a Boris/Sunak 'dream ticket', that would make life easy for Williamson...  Meanwhile, evidence Sunak is still in short pants - I think Osborne was also an exponent of the ill fitting suit: |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 21, 2022 11:48:06 GMT 1
What part of “Boris lied to you” don’t people understand?? and you say i'm boring 😝😝😝😝 at least i say different boring things i'd like to see gerrard become the new villa manager , i just want to see if wolves fans get upset by this and demand he is sacked for what he did at villa 🤪 |
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Post by shrewder on Oct 21, 2022 11:50:32 GMT 1
It still beggars belief for me that there are so many gullible MPs and voters that can't see through Boris Johnson and believe every distorted fact that emerges from his mouth. Still what will be will be.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 21, 2022 12:04:30 GMT 1
It still beggars belief for me that there are so many gullible MPs and voters that can't see through Boris Johnson and believe every distorted fact that emerges from his mouth. Still what will be will be. they don't know what they are voting for , i think we should put it back to the people 😜 |
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Post by Dancin on Oct 21, 2022 12:20:22 GMT 1
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Post by Dancin on Oct 21, 2022 12:24:16 GMT 1
It still beggars belief for me that there are so many gullible MPs and voters that can't see through Boris Johnson and believe every distorted fact that emerges from his mouth. Still what will be will be. He's the only candidate with a mandate, has the likely support of the majority of grassroots and is very popular in the Red Wall seats who wanted Brexit done. Plus it will fry Kier's brain if he gets back in  |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2022 12:38:51 GMT 1
Liz Truss is set to draw up a resignation honours list - despite only having been in the job for six weeks, the Telegraph can disclose.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2022 12:48:28 GMT 1
If those figures are correct, then Mordaunt's race is already run, as she'd need nearly 40% of the remaining 220 undeclared votes to hit the hundred mark. |
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