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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 15:20:56 GMT 1
Purely my personal view: The last thing Conservative MPs want now is a General Election. The last thing most of the voters want is for this to carry on until they have to have a General Election. Sorry Liz, but sacking the chancellor doesn't extracate you from this mess, you have to change, and change fast. you clearly are not a conservative but somehow think you can speak on behalf of all of them, thats an amazing skill you have ;-) |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 15:26:31 GMT 1
Purely my personal view: The last thing Conservative MPs want now is a General Election. The last thing most of the voters want is for this to carry on until they have to have a General Election. Sorry Liz, but sacking the chancellor doesn't extracate you from this mess, you have to change, and change fast. you clearly are not a conservative but somehow think you can speak on behalf of all of them, thats an amazing skill you have ;-) Some say you are not very good at English, but I would have thought you could understand that "my personal view" meant that I was not speaking on behalf of anyone - that's why it's my personal view. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 15:51:49 GMT 1
you clearly are not a conservative but somehow think you can speak on behalf of all of them, thats an amazing skill you have ;-) Some say you are not very good at English, but I would have thought you could understand that "my personal view" meant that I was not speaking on behalf of anyone - that's why it's my personal view. thats the last time I compliment you, shame you took it the wrong way and fired another "mild pop". obviously still not meant as an insult I presume Not meant as an insult at all, just a mild pop. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 14, 2022 15:59:31 GMT 1
If she wanted to put the country first, she’d install Rishi as Chancellor (if he’d take it).
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 16:02:48 GMT 1
Some say you are not very good at English, but I would have thought you could understand that "my personal view" meant that I was not speaking on behalf of anyone - that's why it's my personal view. thats the last time I compliment you, shame you took it the wrong way and fired another "mild pop". obviously still not meant as an insult I presume Not meant as an insult at all, just a mild pop. Oh well, I'll just have to learn to live without 'complements' like "but somehow think you can speak on behalf of all of them"  |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 14, 2022 16:10:05 GMT 1
Apparently the markets have reacted badly to Truss’ statement, which according to a supporter, was bad even by her standards.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 16:19:06 GMT 1
Apparently the markets have reacted badly to Truss’ statement, which according to a supporter, was bad even by her standards. Dead PM walking.... |
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Post by shrewder on Oct 14, 2022 16:22:41 GMT 1
She is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 16:24:59 GMT 1
She is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic bit like posts on this thread |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 16:59:14 GMT 1
She is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic bit like posts on this thread Speak for yourself, oh, you are |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 17:14:18 GMT 1
bit like posts on this thread Speak for yourself, oh, you are yes, I forgot only you are allowed to speak for others, dear me |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 17:20:33 GMT 1
Speak for yourself, oh, you are yes, I forgot only you are allowed to speak for others, dear me Still don't understand what "my personal view" means then? |
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Post by camdenshrew on Oct 14, 2022 17:54:10 GMT 1
Nick Watt of Newsnight: "The Prime Minister has sacked The Chancellor for agreeing with her." What a total shambles.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 17:55:59 GMT 1
No surprise at who is the first person to respond to "The unofficial Tory supporters thread". The person whose 'floating voter' credentials sank a long time ago. A history of being the patron saint of lost causes when it comes to leaders.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 18:03:08 GMT 1
yes, I forgot only you are allowed to speak for others, dear me Still don't understand what "my personal view" means then? you are entitled to your bigoted views, just stop asking me if I understand them, I'm actually ignoring them or trying too, thanks |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 18:05:57 GMT 1
No surprise at who is the first person to respond to "The unofficial Tory supporters thread". The person whose 'floating voter' credentials sank a long time ago. A history of being the patron saint of lost causes when it comes to leaders. can you explain this in more detail, and to be honest its about time I starting having mild pops at you |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 18:14:25 GMT 1
Still don't understand what "my personal view" means then? you are entitled to your bigoted views, just stop asking me if I understand them, I'm actually ignoring them or trying too, thanks "My personal view" is a precurser to any views stated.
My -
belonging to or associated with the speaker.
personal - belonging to or affecting a particular person rather than anyone else
view - regard in a particular light or with a particular attitude.
Whatever you think of the views expressed please stop repeating the incorrect accusation that I am speaking on behalf of anyone but myself.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 14, 2022 18:15:46 GMT 1
you are entitled to your bigoted views, just stop asking me if I understand them, I'm actually ignoring them or trying too, thanks "My personal view" is a precurser to any views stated.
My -
belonging to or associated with the speaker.
personal - belonging to or affecting a particular person rather than anyone else
view - regard in a particular light or with a particular attitude.
Whatever you think of the views expressed please stop repeating the incorrect accusation that I am speaking on behalf of anyone but myself.
he did it again |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 14, 2022 18:23:03 GMT 1
I think this sums up a lot of our feelings on the last 12 years of UK politics pretty succinctly;
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Post by mattmw on Oct 14, 2022 18:38:32 GMT 1
On a personal level I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Truss. Imagine getting your dream job and it going so wrong so quickly. Its painful to watch now.
But even within the context of the slightly odd political world post brexit, its hard to see how someone with experience in the Government at a senior level could have quite so badly misjudged how her policies would work with the markets, her own party and the general public. She seems to have ripped up every convention and hoped it would all somehow fall into place.
Quite who the Conservatives turn to next and how they appoint them is going to be very interesting
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Post by kenwood on Oct 14, 2022 22:16:47 GMT 1
Can’t help but agree.
I find Liz Truss embarrassing but do feel sorry for her , genuinely .
I know she has made dreadful mistakes in the short time she’s been in office which has impacted upon the lives of so many but I really think she has made decisions which she feels will help the Country grow .
It’s all gone wrong but the pitiful thing is she can’t see it’s because of decisions she has made . She has been forced to change or rather , as I see it, she has been “told “ look, if you carry on down the path you are taking the whole party will suffer .
So, she sacks her Chancellor which hasn’t won her many friends in the party and appoints Hunt in his place , someone who wasn’t even offered a position in her original cabinet as far as I am aware.
Her track record as Trade Minister wasn’t great, she didn’t get the majority support of her parliamentary party and yet here she is, in charge of a party reeling from the turmoil of having to dispense of its previous leader .
To put her out of her misery and the Country too surely the only way forward out of this complete mess is to call a GE .
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Post by tdk on Oct 14, 2022 22:24:05 GMT 1
That's not going to happen. The Conservatives asking for a GE would be like turkeys voting for Christmas
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Post by darkshrew on Oct 15, 2022 9:51:52 GMT 1
Jeremy Hunt is now the PM in all but name and Truss just an inconvenient reminder to the Tory members that they made a mistake thinking that the way forward is further to the right.
The Tory boys may not like it, but this is probably the best outcome for them.
Personally I'd like Hunt to point out that the best way to get growth into the economy without spending money that we don't have would be to join the world's largest trading block. That would make for an interesting cabinet meeting.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 15, 2022 10:16:55 GMT 1
Hunt has refused to commit to increasing benefits in line with inflation. But claimed he is “very sensitive” to the needs of the poorest.
Claimed Liz Truss has “listened” to crisis caused by mini-budget. She will be judged at the next election by what she does over the next 18 months.
Warned all government departments, including the NHS and defence, will face spending cuts. “Difficult decisions” to come.
Pledged that money that would have been received from the health and social care levy will be protected.
Some taxes will go up. Others will not come down “as much as people hoped”.
The Conservatives are united “around the most important issues” including growth and Brexit.
He will meet with treasury officials later today and with Truss tomorrow.
It was a “mistake” to cut taxes of wealthiest and to “fly blind” without the confidence of the Office of Budget Responsibility.
He declined to give any specific commitments about his fiscal statement on 31 October.
This seems to be totally at odds with the platform on which Truss got herself elected.
Boris Johnson’s former press secretary Will Walden has said that Jeremy Hunt is tantamount to a “caretaker prime minister”.
Trussonomics is clearly “being jumped”, he told Sky News, and Liz Truss “didn’t come close” to calming nerves in yesterday’s press conference. The prime minister’s performance was, he said, “tone deaf” and did not show empathy.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2022 10:29:20 GMT 1
Wage increases might not be in line with inflation, but they are running at around 5.4%, tax thresholds are not going to rise in line with inflation next April, nor did they last April. Petrol and general prices up, so VAT and income tax take will be up.
All in all, the government is going to have a far bigger tax take next year without doing anything.
Nibble at the windfall profits of oil and energy companies to offset helping people with their energy bills and you wonder why the Tories have managed to trash things so badly? Should be easy for another party to run things better without having to do too much - even the Liberals could do it!
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Post by northwestman on Oct 15, 2022 10:34:51 GMT 1
3 weeks in Daily Mail land:
Today's headline - "How much more can she (and the rest of us) take?"
The paper's headline 3 weeks ago - "At last, a true Tory budget".
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Post by northwestman on Oct 15, 2022 10:45:31 GMT 1
There are discussions between senior members of the 1922 Committee of Conservative party backbenchers set to take place this weekend, about Truss’ leadership. There are rumours that there has been a “substantial number” of letters sent in to the committee calling for a vote of no confidence, Sky News has reported, despite Truss being immune for a year after her election.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 15, 2022 10:58:10 GMT 1
There are discussions between senior members of the 1922 Committee of Conservative party backbenchers set to take place this weekend, about Truss’ leadership. There are rumours that there has been a “substantial number” of letters sent in to the committee calling for a vote of no confidence, Sky News has reported, despite Truss being immune for a year after her election. An election getting nearer, things not going well. Do they grasp the nettle and change leader - somehow, without another 8 week leadership contest, or do they hope that Truss will become electable before the next election? A difficult decision, some might think it best to operate on the problem sooner, rather than later.
As usual, the interests of the Conservative party will come before the interests of the country.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 16, 2022 11:04:37 GMT 1
'I don't think Liz Truss has any consistent beliefs. So instead she bought some opinions on eBay. She posed as a free-market liberal (probably out of nothing more than ambition, since we know how easily she changes her mind). This is not an especially conservative view, but some people think it is. The trouble is that our economy, loaded with debt and taxes, is far too decrepit to cope with such measures. You can say you are going to stimulate it back to health, but you might as well try to turn a hobbling pensioner into an Olympic athlete by giving him a handful of amphetamines, an electric shock and a can of Red Bull'.
The only good thing is that once the Tories have gone, millions will realise the truth – that they have no friends at Westminster, and if they want to change this they must build a new party and make it win.
Peter Hitchens - Daily Mail.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 16, 2022 11:37:09 GMT 1
There are discussions between senior members of the 1922 Committee of Conservative party backbenchers set to take place this weekend, about Truss’ leadership. There are rumours that there has been a “substantial number” of letters sent in to the committee calling for a vote of no confidence, Sky News has reported, despite Truss being immune for a year after her election. Highlights the old adage: Keep your friends close and your enemies closer - If you were on speaking terms with your sister-in-law you might now be getting an exclusive inside story of what the 1922 committee are up to! |
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