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Post by returnofthehype on Oct 13, 2022 10:22:07 GMT 1
If the mainstream left supporting media hadn’t done a hatchet job on Boris, we wouldn’t be in this mess.
Yes we are in a mess and yess Truss is appearing far to weak a leader to steer us back on course……however much damage it does to the Tory party, I fear the only action that needs to be taken is also the most drastic….she needs to go and go now
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 13, 2022 10:29:49 GMT 1
If the mainstream left supporting media hadn’t done a hatchet job on Boris, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Yes we are in a mess and yess Truss is appearing far to weak a leader to steer us back on course……however much damage it does to the Tory party, I fear the only action that needs to be taken is also the most drastic….she needs to go and go now Bollox. He was ousted by his own MPs eventually as was May and next in line Liz Truss.. To blame the lefty press for pointing out the bleeding obvious is a bit rich ….like blaming the right wing press for Brexit and Boris for PM…. Hang on 🤔 |
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Post by returnofthehype on Oct 13, 2022 10:42:04 GMT 1
If the mainstream left supporting media hadn’t done a hatchet job on Boris, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Yes we are in a mess and yess Truss is appearing far to weak a leader to steer us back on course……however much damage it does to the Tory party, I fear the only action that needs to be taken is also the most drastic….she needs to go and go now Bollox. He was ousted by his own MPs eventually as was May and next in line Liz Truss.. To blame the lefty press for pointing out the bleeding obvious is a bit rich ….like blaming the right wing press for Brexit and Boris for PM…. Hang on 🤔 The internally ousting was a disgrace, and yes it was internal, but why?? The press and mainstream media pushed a narrative that was too easily accepted by the Tory party as whole…The biggest disappointment was that Boris didn’t do what he did best…Tell them all to P…s off, pull the party together and see us through this period…Like he did so admirable with Brexit and Covid. He may have played up to his floppy haired error prone buffoon persona too much….BUT….he could, would and did make difficult and often unpopular decisions that were for the good of the country. Now try not to choke on your granola and oat milk, put your independent down for one second and stop talking bollox |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Oct 13, 2022 10:42:40 GMT 1
If the mainstream left supporting media hadn’t done a hatchet job on Boris, we wouldn’t be in this mess. Yes we are in a mess and yess Truss is appearing far to weak a leader to steer us back on course……however much damage it does to the Tory party, I fear the only action that needs to be taken is also the most drastic….she needs to go and go now A lot of Backbench Tory MP’s were spooked by the media on Partygate, and you can’t really blame media it was a gift of news for them, it’s their job. and a gift for Keir Starmer. Too many backbenchers were worried about their own seats so only got themselves to blame for not holding their nerve. What Has changed nowadays is the reported news has too much time given by to many political commentators giving their opinion. It didn’t help the Conservatives they all wanted Boris out, and it was also going to lead to further free falls. |
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 13, 2022 12:01:57 GMT 1
Bollox. He was ousted by his own MPs eventually as was May and next in line Liz Truss.. To blame the lefty press for pointing out the bleeding obvious is a bit rich ….like blaming the right wing press for Brexit and Boris for PM…. Hang on 🤔 The internally ousting was a disgrace, and yes it was internal, but why?? The press and mainstream media pushed a narrative that was too easily accepted by the Tory party as whole…The biggest disappointment was that Boris didn’t do what he did best…Tell them all to P…s off, pull the party together and see us through this period…Like he did so admirable with Brexit and Covid. He may have played up to his floppy haired error prone buffoon persona too much….BUT….he could, would and did make difficult and often unpopular decisions that were for the good of the country. Now try not to choke on your granola and oat milk, put your independent down for one second and stop talking bollox Could accept his charisma if he wasn’t a blatant liar and generally a bafoon. Was before he was elected and still is. How you can accept his proven lies (to achieve false results) is beyond me Tory boy……. |
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Post by neilsalop on Oct 13, 2022 14:32:06 GMT 1
I see that Ben Wallace is currently 10/1 to be the next Tory leader. Somehow the odds for Johnson are only 6/1 with Rishi Rich the runaway favorite at 7/2.
Given that the Tory membership chose Truss over Sunak last time I can't see many people taking that bet. I also can't see the very people that effectively kicked Johnson out thinking it would be a good idea to bring him back.
The other two up near the top are Badenoch and Mordaunt.
I think Wallace might be worth a punt, but unless he can be confident about turning around the massive Labour lead in the polls he might decide to leave it until after the next election. No-one is going to be in a rush to lead the party into an annihilation.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 13, 2022 14:49:53 GMT 1
I see that Ben Wallace is currently 10/1 to be the next Tory leader. Somehow the odds for Johnson are only 6/1 with Rishi Rich the runaway favorite at 7/2. Given that the Tory membership chose Truss over Sunak last time I can't see many people taking that bet. I also can't see the very people that effectively kicked Johnson out thinking it would be a good idea to bring him back. The other two up near the top are Badenoch and Mordaunt. I think Wallace might be worth a punt, but unless he can be confident about turning around the massive Labour lead in the polls he might decide to leave it until after the next election. No-one is going to be in a rush to lead the party into an annihilation. Surely if yet another leadership contest is required they’ll change the process. It hasn’t worked on the last few occasions. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 13, 2022 14:54:32 GMT 1
Bollox. He was ousted by his own MPs eventually as was May and next in line Liz Truss.. To blame the lefty press for pointing out the bleeding obvious is a bit rich ….like blaming the right wing press for Brexit and Boris for PM…. Hang on 🤔 The internally ousting was a disgrace, and yes it was internal, but why?? The press and mainstream media pushed a narrative that was too easily accepted by the Tory party as whole…The biggest disappointment was that Boris didn’t do what he did best…Tell them all to P…s off, pull the party together and see us through this period…Like he did so admirable with Brexit and Covid. He may have played up to his floppy haired error prone buffoon persona too much….BUT….he could, would and did make difficult and often unpopular decisions that were for the good of the country. Now try not to choke on your granola and oat milk, put your independent down for one second and stop talking bollox Why??? Have you such a short memory? He lied to Parliament and to the public, isn’t that enough? I’d still rather an incompetent Truss than a lying Boris. Best of all, get an experienced chancellor in charge until the next election. |
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Post by returnofthehype on Oct 13, 2022 15:10:19 GMT 1
The internally ousting was a disgrace, and yes it was internal, but why?? The press and mainstream media pushed a narrative that was too easily accepted by the Tory party as whole…The biggest disappointment was that Boris didn’t do what he did best…Tell them all to P…s off, pull the party together and see us through this period…Like he did so admirable with Brexit and Covid. He may have played up to his floppy haired error prone buffoon persona too much….BUT….he could, would and did make difficult and often unpopular decisions that were for the good of the country. Now try not to choke on your granola and oat milk, put your independent down for one second and stop talking bollox Why??? Have you such a short memory? He lied to Parliament and to the public, isn’t that enough? I’d still rather an incompetent Truss than a lying Boris. Best of all, get an experienced chancellor in charge until the next election. Here lyes the problem…..too many people share your view that Incompetence at the expense of the nation is preferable than someone lying about having a knees up……Let’s all pretend to take the moral high ground and to hell with country…as long as your seen to be righteous you can be as incompetent as you like. This view put is up there with equal outcome opposed to equal opportunity…….Braindead |
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Post by edgmond on Oct 13, 2022 15:37:54 GMT 1
Bollox. He was ousted by his own MPs eventually as was May and next in line Liz Truss.. To blame the lefty press for pointing out the bleeding obvious is a bit rich ….like blaming the right wing press for Brexit and Boris for PM…. Hang on 🤔 The internally ousting was a disgrace, and yes it was internal, but why?? The press and mainstream media pushed a narrative that was too easily accepted by the Tory party as whole…The biggest disappointment was that Boris didn’t do what he did best…Tell them all to P…s off, pull the party together and see us through this period…Like he did so admirable with Brexit and Covid. He may have played up to his floppy haired error prone buffoon persona too much….BUT….he could, would and did make difficult and often unpopular decisions that were for the good of the country. Now try not to choke on your granola and oat milk, put your independent down for one second and stop talking bollox Don't you just love it when the embattled Right (or in this case, specifically the Johnson apologists) bring up Brexit and Covid as triumphs?! Brexit has been conveniently sidelined by Putin's invasion, but hasn't actually been 'done' if you live in Northern Ireland; rather fudged or shelved, thus thwarting the democratic will of the people (does that sound familiar?) of NI who are being held to ransom by those old friends of the Tories, the DUP. And as for all those trade deals with their amazing benefits.... Not to mention the companies who can no longer afford to trade with the EU and are moving operations to the continent. Try asking fishermen and farmers what they have gained from Brexit, having been promised so much. It's also great that we now have control of our own borders (irony alert). On the second point, perhaps you should wait for the outcome of the Public Enquiry before heralding the Covid response as a Johnson-led triumph. There are a few Conservatives who have retained some integrity during the shambles of the last few years bit I doubt if any of them could command the support of the disorganised rabble which is the current parliamentary party. Time for a complete change, not just a rearrangement of the soiled furniture. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 13, 2022 19:10:00 GMT 1
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Post by Worthingshrew on Oct 13, 2022 22:22:37 GMT 1
Why??? Have you such a short memory? He lied to Parliament and to the public, isn’t that enough? I’d still rather an incompetent Truss than a lying Boris. Best of all, get an experienced chancellor in charge until the next election. Here lyes the problem…..too many people share your view that Incompetence at the expense of the nation is preferable than someone lying about having a knees up……Let’s all pretend to take the moral high ground and to hell with country…as long as your seen to be righteous you can be as incompetent as you like. This view put is up there with equal outcome opposed to equal opportunity…….Braindead If you have a PM with absolutely no integrity, our international reputation suffers, no one can trust anything he said home or abroad. We were a laughing stock with him as PM. |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 13, 2022 22:36:20 GMT 1
Here lyes the problem…..too many people share your view that Incompetence at the expense of the nation is preferable than someone lying about having a knees up……Let’s all pretend to take the moral high ground and to hell with country…as long as your seen to be righteous you can be as incompetent as you like. This view put is up there with equal outcome opposed to equal opportunity…….Braindead If you have a PM with absolutely no integrity, our international reputation suffers, no one can trust anything he said home or abroad. We were a laughing stock with him as PM. you seem to be mixing present and paste tense there, if you have a PM its anything he says, not said, I can't do with illiterate posts sorry, see me after class , you also have 2 commas in one sentence, bit unorthodox that |
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Post by wookeywombat on Oct 13, 2022 22:55:47 GMT 1
If you have a PM with absolutely no integrity, our international reputation suffers, no one can trust anything he said home or abroad. We were a laughing stock with him as PM. you seem to be mixing present and paste tense there, if you have a PM its anything he says, not said, I can't do with illiterate posts sorry, see me after class , you also have 2 commas in one sentence you imbecile Deary me. The grammar police at it again. Exactly what you accused me of being. Pot, kettle ,black springs to mind |
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Post by Pilch on Oct 13, 2022 22:59:59 GMT 1
you seem to be mixing present and paste tense there, if you have a PM its anything he says, not said, I can't do with illiterate posts sorry, see me after class , you also have 2 commas in one sentence you imbecile Deary me. The grammar police at it again. Exactly what you accused me of being. Pot, kettle ,black springs to mind lol, what I'm doing is showing how pathetic, pointless and easy it is im so glad you agree , its just a shame you are so selective at which grammar police you attack, great fun isn't it , really distracts from the thread , i hope there is a good medical reason for it |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 9:04:15 GMT 1
Now the soul searching has begun about how we ended up with Truss as leader, there's a lot of talk about her being elected by 80,000 Tory party members, one eighth of one percent of the electorate or somesuch.
But, if you think back, was it just the fault of one man? Gavin Williamson. As head honcho of Sunak's campaign, there was talk at the time that things had been engineered to exclude Penny Mordaunt because she looked like the biggest threat to Sunak. The reasoning seemed to be that up against Truss, Sunak would sail into No 10....
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Post by northwestman on Oct 14, 2022 12:57:43 GMT 1
Now the soul searching has begun about how we ended up with Truss as leader, there's a lot of talk about her being elected by 80,000 Tory party members, one eighth of one percent of the electorate or somesuch. But, if you think back, was it just the fault of one man? Gavin Williamson. As head honcho of Sunak's campaign, there was talk at the time that things had been engineered to exclude Penny Mordaunt because she looked like the biggest threat to Sunak. The reasoning seemed to be that up against Truss, Sunak would sail into No 10.... Spot on. He didn't need to do it for May, as all the opposition withdrew. But he's certainly suspected of rigging votes to make sure that the useless Hunt ran against Johnson, and I reckon he's done it again to make sure that Mordaunt was knocked out, leaving the useless Truss to run against Sunak. Unfortunately for him (and the nation), the membership thought otherwise and voted her in. If Williamson now becomes Mordaunt's campaign manager, then we'll know which way the wind is blowing. He was May's campaign manager, completely rubbished Boris, but then became Johnson's campaign manager once May had been ousted. The man has no principles whatsoever. It's suspected that when he was Chief Whip he hung Michael Fallon out to dry in order to get his job at defence. He was subsequently sacked by May for allegedly leaking information, but was rewarded by Johnson by being given Education - and we all know how that turned out. A sacked ex fireplace salesman who only survives by virtue of his mastery of the dark arts of politics. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 13:03:36 GMT 1
Now the soul searching has begun about how we ended up with Truss as leader, there's a lot of talk about her being elected by 80,000 Tory party members, one eighth of one percent of the electorate or somesuch. But, if you think back, was it just the fault of one man? Gavin Williamson. As head honcho of Sunak's campaign, there was talk at the time that things had been engineered to exclude Penny Mordaunt because she looked like the biggest threat to Sunak. The reasoning seemed to be that up against Truss, Sunak would sail into No 10.... Spot on. He didn't need to do it for May, as all the opposition withdrew. But he's certainly suspected of rigging votes to make sure that the useless Hunt ran against Johnson, and I reckon he's done it again to make sure that Mordaunt was knocked out, leaving the useless Truss to run against Sunak. Unfortunately for him (and the nation), the membership thought otherwise and voted her in. If Williamson now becomes Mordaunt's campaign manager, then we'll know which way the wind is blowing. He was May's campaign manager, completely rubbished Boris, but then became Johnson's campaign manager once May had been ousted. The man has no principles whatsoever. It's suspected that when he was Chief Whip he hung Michael Fallon out to dry in order to get his job at defence. He was subsequently sacked by May for allegedly leaking information, but was rewarded by Johnson by being given Education - and we all know how that turned out. A sacked ex fireplace salesman who only survives by virtue of his mastery of the dark arts of politics. Too many of the members read the Daily Mail ! |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 14, 2022 13:07:16 GMT 1
Nicholas Watt from BBC Newsnight has been told that a group of senior Tories will call on Liz Truss to resign as prime minister next week.
A group of senior Tories have been holding discussions + have decided the following: the sacking of Kwasi Kwarteng
will prompt them to come out publicly next week and call on Truss to resign. “These are serious people. The PM will find it difficult to survive.”
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Post by kp on Oct 14, 2022 13:13:49 GMT 1
Now the soul searching has begun about how we ended up with Truss as leader, there's a lot of talk about her being elected by 80,000 Tory party members, one eighth of one percent of the electorate or somesuch. But, if you think back, was it just the fault of one man? Gavin Williamson. As head honcho of Sunak's campaign, there was talk at the time that things had been engineered to exclude Penny Mordaunt because she looked like the biggest threat to Sunak. The reasoning seemed to be that up against Truss, Sunak would sail into No 10.... Spot on. He didn't need to do it for May, as all the opposition withdrew. But he's certainly suspected of rigging votes to make sure that the useless Hunt ran against Johnson, and I reckon he's done it again to make sure that Mordaunt was knocked out, leaving the useless Truss to run against Sunak. Unfortunately for him (and the nation), the membership thought otherwise and voted her in. If Williamson now becomes Mordaunt's campaign manager, then we'll know which way the wind is blowing. He was May's campaign manager, completely rubbished Boris, but then became Johnson's campaign manager once May had been ousted. The man has no principles whatsoever. It's suspected that when he was Chief Whip he hung Michael Fallon out to dry in order to get his job at defence. He was subsequently sacked by May for allegedly leaking information, but was rewarded by Johnson by being given Education - and we all know how that turned out. A sacked ex fireplace salesman who only survives by virtue of his mastery of the dark arts of politics. I will never forget that picture of him behind a desk that had a whip on it and a little black book. It was a clear message. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Oct 14, 2022 13:13:53 GMT 1
Now the soul searching has begun about how we ended up with Truss as leader, there's a lot of talk about her being elected by 80,000 Tory party members, one eighth of one percent of the electorate or somesuch. But, if you think back, was it just the fault of one man? Gavin Williamson. As head honcho of Sunak's campaign, there was talk at the time that things had been engineered to exclude Penny Mordaunt because she looked like the biggest threat to Sunak. The reasoning seemed to be that up against Truss, Sunak would sail into No 10.... Spot on. He didn't need to do it for May, as all the opposition withdrew. But he's certainly suspected of rigging votes to make sure that the useless Hunt ran against Johnson, and I reckon he's done it again to make sure that Mordaunt was knocked out, leaving the useless Truss to run against Sunak. Unfortunately for him (and the nation), the membership thought otherwise and voted her in. If Williamson now becomes Mordaunt's campaign manager, then we'll know which way the wind is blowing. He was May's campaign manager, completely rubbished Boris, but then became Johnson's campaign manager once May had been ousted. The man has no principles whatsoever. It's suspected that when he was Chief Whip he hung Michael Fallon out to dry in order to get his job at defence. He was subsequently sacked by May for allegedly leaking information, but was rewarded by Johnson by being given Education - and we all know how that turned out. A sacked ex fireplace salesman who only survives by virtue of his mastery of the dark arts of politics. Surely this will all be moot because if Truss resigns the calls for a General Election will be too loud to ignore? |
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Post by salop27 on Oct 14, 2022 13:15:09 GMT 1
I knew there were a few Conservative members on here who voted. I think my last post on this thread was to say I'd voted for Sunak. That wasn't as I thought he could win the next general election but he would take better care of the economy. I didn't expect this to become so apparent in just four weeks though. It's an embarrassment to the UK.
After getting my vote in the other month I have cancelled my membership. The £2 a month can be better spent.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 14, 2022 13:25:17 GMT 1
Spot on. He didn't need to do it for May, as all the opposition withdrew. But he's certainly suspected of rigging votes to make sure that the useless Hunt ran against Johnson, and I reckon he's done it again to make sure that Mordaunt was knocked out, leaving the useless Truss to run against Sunak. Unfortunately for him (and the nation), the membership thought otherwise and voted her in. If Williamson now becomes Mordaunt's campaign manager, then we'll know which way the wind is blowing. He was May's campaign manager, completely rubbished Boris, but then became Johnson's campaign manager once May had been ousted. The man has no principles whatsoever. It's suspected that when he was Chief Whip he hung Michael Fallon out to dry in order to get his job at defence. He was subsequently sacked by May for allegedly leaking information, but was rewarded by Johnson by being given Education - and we all know how that turned out. A sacked ex fireplace salesman who only survives by virtue of his mastery of the dark arts of politics. I will never forget that picture of him behind a desk that had a whip on it and a little black book. It was a clear message. Don't forget his tarantula Cronus, kept on his desk. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 14, 2022 13:31:30 GMT 1
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Chris Philp is also on his way out, @politicshome understands.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 14, 2022 13:31:50 GMT 1
Purely my personal view:
The last thing Conservative MPs want now is a General Election.
The last thing most of the voters want is for this to carry on until they have to have a General Election.
Sorry Liz, but sacking the chancellor doesn't extracate you from this mess, you have to change, and change fast.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 14, 2022 13:44:39 GMT 1
Mrs Truss has to walk the plank.
This has been an embarrassing few weeks since she took the mantle over from Boris.
The decisions taken by Mrs Truss and her backroom team has caused pandemonium in the Lending markets and made us the laughing stock of the world
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Oct 14, 2022 14:11:06 GMT 1
Mrs Truss has to walk the plank. This has been an embarrassing few weeks since she took the mantle over from Boris. The decisions taken by Mrs Truss and her backroom team has caused pandemonium in the Lending markets and made us the laughing stock of the world Can't see Mary O'Leary lasting until this time next week😀 |
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Post by gainsparkshrew on Oct 14, 2022 14:45:54 GMT 1
Wow, just wow. Brief statement, Hunt in, Corporation tax , a few questions from the journos and then "Thank you very much everyone" and she marches off.
She ain't going to last long😀😀😀
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 14, 2022 14:53:41 GMT 1
Wow, just wow. Brief statement, Hunt in, Corporation tax , a few questions from the journos and then "Thank you very much everyone" and she marches off. She ain't going to last long😀😀😀 Absolutely laughable the way she was scouring the room for questions, starting with her friends at the Telegraph and the Sun. She must’ve been expecting a nicer time of it because after them it was BBC, ITV and straight out of the door. |
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Post by northwestman on Oct 14, 2022 15:12:49 GMT 1
Chief Secretary to the Treasury Chris Philp is also on his way out, @politicshome understands. Yep. Replaced by Ed Argar. |
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