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Post by mattmw on Sept 7, 2022 19:09:16 GMT 1
I don't agree with her politics, but it must be said that Truss does speak clearly, and, with any luck, there should be little of the distracting sideshow that came with her predecessor. This is essential at a time when the PM must be laser-focused on the country's issues. Good summary. It did feel a bit more like there was a adult standing in the dispatch box today, despite the noisy back benchers behind them. Hopefully this approach will continue although you always felt with Johnson the bluster and joking was to hide a lack of real policy behind him. Ultimately a good PM should accept scrutiny of policy by parliament is a good thing and especially with all the challenges the country faces a more grown up debate on how to help the population is very welcome. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 7:55:02 GMT 1
I don't agree with her politics, but it must be said that Truss does speak clearly, and, with any luck, there should be little of the distracting sideshow that came with her predecessor. This is essential at a time when the PM must be laser-focused on the country's issues. Amen to that. Truss and Starmer might well be a couple of woodentops but I don't think its a bad thing that the UK has now moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Its perhaps a shame its taken so long. I'm sure there will be the usual back and forth but hopefully things will be done with a little more decorum and as you say, without the constant distraction. Neither, as far as I am aware anyhow, have anything like the baggage of either Johnson or Corbyn. And I reckon that can only be a good thing... |
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 8:44:02 GMT 1
If that never ending question to Truss made by Paulette Hamilton, the new Labour MP for Birmingham Erdington, is evidence of the standard of some of Labour's backbenchers, then Truss might well be in with a chance. It was more a monologue than a question. Seemed clear enough to me and not a bad effort for her first PMQ. I would suggest if you are struggling to keep an attention span of just over a minute that could be where the problem is? Do you believe that people who are working but are still struggling should simply work harder? |
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 8:47:06 GMT 1
I don't agree with her politics, but it must be said that Truss does speak clearly, and, with any luck, there should be little of the distracting sideshow that came with her predecessor. This is essential at a time when the PM must be laser-focused on the country's issues. Amen to that. Truss and Starmer might well be a couple of woodentops but I don't think its a bad thing that the UK has now moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Its perhaps a shame its taken so long. I'm sure there will be the usual back and forth but hopefully things will be done with a little more decorum and as you say, without the constant distraction. Neither, as far as I am aware anyhow, have anything like the baggage of either Johnson or Corbyn. And I reckon that can only be a good thing... April 2020. 28 months on and you are still going on about someone? Rent free. |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 9:01:06 GMT 1
Amen to that. Truss and Starmer might well be a couple of woodentops but I don't think its a bad thing that the UK has now moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Its perhaps a shame its taken so long. I'm sure there will be the usual back and forth but hopefully things will be done with a little more decorum and as you say, without the constant distraction. Neither, as far as I am aware anyhow, have anything like the baggage of either Johnson or Corbyn. And I reckon that can only be a good thing... April 2020. 28 months on and you are still going on about someone? Rent free.  |
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 9:14:06 GMT 1
April 2020. 28 months on and you are still going on about someone? Rent free. Yeah the lack of knowledge is a bit laughable I agree. To be clear Johnson has been in office for over a hundred PMQs. For the vast majority of these Starmer was leader of the opposition, not Corbyn. But yeah, thank Thatcher we are finally rid of that Corbyn, who was clearly the problem... |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 8, 2022 9:19:34 GMT 1
Credit where credit is due. That was a decent performance from Truss at PMQs today. Actually answered some of the questions, whereas Boris never answered anything but just blustered and went off the point. Didn't lose her temper either when provoked by some of the questioners. Shame the braying mob is back, which does neither party any favours when viewed by the general public. The fact we have a weak ineffective Speaker doesn't help. My observations are backed up by John Crace in the Guardian. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/07/unlike-the-convict-truss-gives-direct-answers-at-pmqs-even-if-logic-fails-her'Imagine. A prime minister’s questions where the prime minister actually answers the questions. Where ideology and policy are debated in a relatively civilised way. There was a calmness. Without sneering, bombast or diversion. And only the odd one-liner putdown. It probably won’t last. But it was a refreshing change while it lasted'. Starmer appeared rather taken aback. He was used to dealing with Boris Johnson, who had never knowingly given a direct answer. Or engaged with policy. PMQs was just pure theatre for Johnson. A forum for point scoring and getting cheap laughs. |
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Post by ssshrew on Sept 8, 2022 9:21:57 GMT 1
David Cameron’s PMQs weren’t much cop either.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 9:30:13 GMT 1
Yeah the lack of knowledge is a bit laughable I agree. To be clear Johnson has been in office for over a hundred PMQs. For the vast majority of these Starmer was leader of the opposition, not Corbyn. But yeah, thank Thatcher we are finally rid of that Corbyn, who was clearly the problem... To be clear...  I'm looking to compare Truss and Starmer to those they succeeded. That would be...Johnson and Corbyn. I wouldn't say that was the best of times in UK politics (the fact that one needed to resign as PM and the other is currently sat outside the Labour party is kinda testament to that) and that whilst both Truss and Starmer may have their faults, I do hope now things will improve (in the way politics is conducted at the very least). Which was pretty much the thrust of the post I replied to. Maybe block and ignore my posts kp, I mean you talk about rent free... I blame Corbyn... |
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 9:40:48 GMT 1
Yeah the lack of knowledge is a bit laughable I agree. To be clear Johnson has been in office for over a hundred PMQs. For the vast majority of these Starmer was leader of the opposition, not Corbyn. But yeah, thank Thatcher we are finally rid of that Corbyn, who was clearly the problem... To be clear... I'm looking to compare Truss and Starmer to those they succeeded. That would be...Johnson and Corbyn. I wouldn't say that was the best of times in UK politics (the fact that one needed to resign as PM and the other is currently sat outside the Labour party is kinda testament to that) and that whilst both Truss and Starmer may have their faults, I do hope now things will improve (in the way politics is conducted at the very least). Which was pretty much the thrust of the post I replied to. Maybe block and ignore my posts kp, I mean you talk about rent free... I blame Corbyn... To be clear. The last 28 months of PMQs have been between Starmer and Johnson. That is where the comparison is. Anything else is a false construct to peddle an agenda. As for rent free, who are you? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 9:58:02 GMT 1
To be clear... I'm looking to compare Truss and Starmer to those they succeeded. That would be...Johnson and Corbyn. I wouldn't say that was the best of times in UK politics (the fact that one needed to resign as PM and the other is currently sat outside the Labour party is kinda testament to that) and that whilst both Truss and Starmer may have their faults, I do hope now things will improve (in the way politics is conducted at the very least). Which was pretty much the thrust of the post I replied to. Maybe block and ignore my posts kp, I mean you talk about rent free... I blame Corbyn... As for rent free, who are you? Just some random stranger on a message board you feel the need to berate... You can always block and ignore... Anyhow... To be clear. We have now finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Perhaps not the most edifying chapter in UK politics. So no bad thing. Despite the flaws of their successors. Hence my post...👍 |
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 10:03:05 GMT 1
As for rent free, who are you? Just some random stranger on a message board you feel the need to berate... You can always block and ignore... Anyhow... To be clear. We have now finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Perhaps not the most edifying chapter in UK politics. So no bad thing. Despite the flaws of their successors. Hence my post...👍 'We' moved on from Johnson and Corbyn in April 2020, well, at least some of us did . What we are now moving on from is Johnson and Starmer and given Starmer remains we are actually moving on from Johnson. I think I have found the common denominator for you. BTW is your comment about 'truth' supposed to be ironic? |
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 10:21:54 GMT 1
Just some random stranger on a message board you feel the need to berate... You can always block and ignore... Anyhow... To be clear. We have now finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn. Perhaps not the most edifying chapter in UK politics. So no bad thing. Despite the flaws of their successors. Hence my post...👍 'We' moved on from Johnson and Corbyn in April 2020, well, at least some of us did . What we are now moving on from is Johnson and Starmer and given Starmer remains we are actually moving on from Johnson. I think I have found the common denominator for you. BTW is your comment about 'truth' supposed to be ironic? And again...  No, we finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn once Truss replaced Johnson as PM. Now both are no longer leading their respective parties. Now we finally have two new leaders in place. I don't see this as a particularly unusual take. Just ignore and block my posts if they wind you up so much. I didn't start this discussion, I don't have any real desire to engage with you and don't tend do so but unfortunately feel the need considering how you have gone about things. Should we just not move on...👍 And just to add, if any mod feels the need to clear this discussion up then please feel free. If that's OK with kp too. |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 8, 2022 11:02:17 GMT 1
Truss says we should drop the “lens of redistribution”, but the last 40 years have actually seen a steady process of state-driven redistribution – but upwards, in which the gains from growth have been colonised by a small financial and corporate elite.
Much of this process of towering enrichment at the top has been through a process of extraction, in which companies have been turned into cash cows for executives and shareholders (through, for example, anti-competitive devices to rig markets; excessive fees on financial products; and by diverting rising profits from wages and investment to dividends).
This process has been accompanied by a range of pro-inequality state policies, from the introduction of a much more regressive tax system and the deregulation of state controls over the City and big business to a much meaner and more coercive benefits system. In the mid-2010s, five million sanctions (essentially fines) were issued by the Department for Work and Pensions – that’s more fines than the criminal justice system.
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Post by kp on Sept 8, 2022 11:09:49 GMT 1
'We' moved on from Johnson and Corbyn in April 2020, well, at least some of us did . What we are now moving on from is Johnson and Starmer and given Starmer remains we are actually moving on from Johnson. I think I have found the common denominator for you. BTW is your comment about 'truth' supposed to be ironic? And again... No, we finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn once Truss replaced Johnson as PM. Now both are no longer leading their respective parties. Now we finally have two new leaders in place. I don't see this as a particularly unusual take. Just ignore and block my posts if they wind you up so much. I didn't start this discussion, I don't have any real desire to engage with you and don't tend do so but unfortunately feel the need considering how you have gone about things. Should we just not move on...👍 And just to add, if any mod feels the need to clear this discussion up then please feel free. If that's OK with kp too. Your posts don't wind me up, I just prefer facts and will pull people when they peddle an agenda. To be clear, Johnson leaving did not coincide with Corbyn leaving. The state of PMQs over the last 2 and a half years has absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn. Nothing. Zero. Nil. Nought. Zilch. Nada. |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 8, 2022 11:54:00 GMT 1
According to George Grylls from the Times, the biggest single donation to Liz Truss’s leadership campaign came from the wife of a BP executive.
Liz Truss raised almost £420,000 from donors to fund her Tory leadership campaign.
Biggest single donation of £100k came from Fitriani Hay, wife of James Hay, a former BP executive with a luxury goods empire.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 8, 2022 12:03:47 GMT 1
And again... No, we finally moved on from Johnson and Corbyn once Truss replaced Johnson as PM. Now both are no longer leading their respective parties. Now we finally have two new leaders in place. I don't see this as a particularly unusual take. Just ignore and block my posts if they wind you up so much. I didn't start this discussion, I don't have any real desire to engage with you and don't tend do so but unfortunately feel the need considering how you have gone about things. Should we just not move on...👍 And just to add, if any mod feels the need to clear this discussion up then please feel free. If that's OK with kp too. Your posts don't wind me up, I just prefer facts and will pull people when they peddle an agenda. To be clear, Johnson leaving did not coincide with Corbyn leaving. The state of PMQs over the last 2 and a half years has absolutely nothing to do with Corbyn. Nothing. Zero. Nil. Nought. Zilch. Nada. And again...*sigh*... Here you go, take your time... I'm looking to compare Truss and Starmer to those they succeeded. That would be Johnson and Corbyn. Not the most edifying chapter in UK politics. And now we have finally moved on from both Johnson and Corbyn. Both the Tories and Labour finally have new leaders. And that is no bad thing despite the flaws we see in both Truss and Starmer...👍 |
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Post by servernaside on Sept 8, 2022 12:36:10 GMT 1
Credit where credit is due. That was a decent performance from Truss at PMQs today. Actually answered some of the questions, whereas Boris never answered anything but just blustered and went off the point. Didn't lose her temper either when provoked by some of the questioners. Shame the braying mob is back, which does neither party any favours when viewed by the general public. The fact we have a weak ineffective Speaker doesn't help. My observations are backed up by John Crace in the Guardian. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/07/unlike-the-convict-truss-gives-direct-answers-at-pmqs-even-if-logic-fails-her'Imagine. A prime minister’s questions where the prime minister actually answers the questions. Where ideology and policy are debated in a relatively civilised way. There was a calmness. Without sneering, bombast or diversion. And only the odd one-liner putdown. It probably won’t last. But it was a refreshing change while it lasted'. Starmer appeared rather taken aback. He was used to dealing with Boris Johnson, who had never knowingly given a direct answer. Or engaged with policy. PMQs was just pure theatre for Johnson. A forum for point scoring and getting cheap laughs. Really? What a surprise. |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 10, 2022 10:56:36 GMT 1
Liz Truss’s new director of strategy helped run a firm that lobbied for one of the UK’s biggest energy suppliers, openDemocracy can reveal.
Iain Carter took unpaid leave as a partner at Hanbury Strategy to join her leadership campaign over the summer and has now been installed at the heart of Number 10.
But during his time at Hanbury Strategy, the public relations agency was paid to lobby senior political figures on behalf of the now-infamous Bulb Energy.
With 1.5 million customers, Bulb was considered too big to fail – until it collapsed amid spiralling energy prices and went into administration in November 2021. It was bailed out by the government in a move that could cost taxpayers £4bn by next spring.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 10, 2022 11:10:57 GMT 1
A momentus week in history, we lose a PM, gain a PM, lose a Queen, gain a King. But the best news: A vaccine to prevent Maleria - if it's aproved, 100 million doses can be made cheaply in India next year. Juries out on Truss, but so far I like the clarity of knowing what our energy bills might be, wether you agree with the level of support or not. Johnson allowed Sunak to fiddle with the numbers, leaving a scary headline figure, telling us we would get £400, but then making it a staged payment - people still ask when they will get the £400 lump sum  |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 19, 2022 16:29:43 GMT 1
What we have here is a coup by the far right in the Tory party. The electorate didn't vote on Truss's policies, her own M.Ps didn't support her. In the first round of voting she only obtained 14% of the vote. The main support she has had is from the Daily Mail, who relentlessly promoted her whilst putting the hatchet into the main contenders, and also keeping on the back burner the prospect of a Johnson comeback. Democracy.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 19, 2022 17:59:09 GMT 1
My observations are backed up by John Crace in the Guardian. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/sep/07/unlike-the-convict-truss-gives-direct-answers-at-pmqs-even-if-logic-fails-her'Imagine. A prime minister’s questions where the prime minister actually answers the questions. Where ideology and policy are debated in a relatively civilised way. There was a calmness. Without sneering, bombast or diversion. And only the odd one-liner putdown. It probably won’t last. But it was a refreshing change while it lasted'. Starmer appeared rather taken aback. He was used to dealing with Boris Johnson, who had never knowingly given a direct answer. Or engaged with policy. PMQs was just pure theatre for Johnson. A forum for point scoring and getting cheap laughs. Really? What a surprise. Must be catching within the Tory party, your replies are turning B&A into a forum for point scoring and getting cheap laughs. |
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Post by darkshrew on Sept 19, 2022 22:13:28 GMT 1
I didn't think it could get worse than BoJo. We really need someone to come along and bring some clear thinking and integrity back into British politics.
Regardless of opposing views on Thatcher and Blair they both had clear leadership and neither would have allowed the behaviour that now seems to be the norm.
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Post by neilsalop on Sept 20, 2022 6:06:42 GMT 1
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Chancellor of the Exchequer apparently taking a phone call and having a good old titter at Liz's funeral.
Even I, as a republican would have more decency than that.
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Post by Pilch on Sept 20, 2022 9:42:46 GMT 1
Ladies and gentlemen I give you the Chancellor of the Exchequer apparently taking a phone call and having a good old titter at Liz's funeral.
Even I, as a republican would have more decency than that.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 20, 2022 10:46:53 GMT 1
Liz Truss admitted that she did not expect talks on a free trade deal with the US to start “in the short to medium term” while speaking to reporters last night on her plane over to New York, where she is attending the United Nations general assembly. No one who has followed progress towards the “massive” free trade deal once promised will be surprised by the substance of what Truss said; it has been clear since Joe Biden won the US presidential election that for the time being the deal is all but dead. But the fact that Truss was prepared to admit this quite openly is notable. Last year, on a similar trip to the US, Boris Johnson was more evasive.
In answering the question candidly, Truss was also burying a commitment in the Conservative party’s 2019 manifesto, which said:
Our goals for British trade are accordingly ambitious. We aim to have 80 per cent of UK trade covered by free trade agreements within the next three years, starting with the USA, Australia, New Zealand and Japan.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Sept 27, 2022 14:38:51 GMT 1
And the winner is....the White One! Well, I never. We all know that when the first 'POC' is inevitably elected into office it won't be the 'right type' of ethnic minority to appease the intolerant left. Just like Rishi Sunak wasn't. Just like Kwarteng isn't... Tories Demand Labour MP Rupa Huq Lose Whip For Calling Kwasi Kwarteng 'Superficially Black'
"... if you hear him on the Today Programme, you wouldn’t know he is black".And this at the conference event “What’s Next for Labour’s Agenda on Race?”... |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 27, 2022 15:45:39 GMT 1
There's a great quote attributed to Simon Hoggart which seems to describe the Truss philosophy perfectly: "Why is it that the Tories believe the only way the poor can be made to work is to give them less money, while the only thing that will get the rich to roll up their sleeves is to give them more?"
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