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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 6, 2022 15:23:53 GMT 1
Quite rightly I condone any sort of threat of violence but your assertion that it comes solely from the left is groundless. It's Ok for you to belittle people which you continually do to political figures on the left is it? You say you like to debate rather than confront. Have you actually done that with the political figures you have a stilted view of. Your posted hatred of Corbyn etc invalidates any thing you have to say on the matter. I disagree, I'm allowed to heavily dislike Corbyn, that's my opinion. I don't see an issue there, I'm hardly alone? I did ask what a nice fella like Suttonshrew, one of our SLOs has done to deserve such vile abuse for simply attending a conservative conference? I don't belittle figures on the political left, I simply don't like some of them and think some of them could benefit from channeling their wasted energy away from social media. There's plenty on the right of the political spectrum that I dislike as well. Your attacks on Corbyn have occasionally bordered on hatred not dislike which are entirely different. "Balanced view from somebody who has met her first hand." You quoted this concerning Priti Patel. I take it, therefore, you have met Corbyn in order to balance your view of him !! You have also said anyone but Truss. I look forward to your character assassination of her who you also must have met!! |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Sept 6, 2022 15:25:01 GMT 1
To try and steer the thread back on to something vaguely relevant, I notice the press are now widely reporting that the energy loan system will come into place. Saw in one of the papers (apologies, can't remember which) that the proposal would put the mythical "average" household at £2.5kpa and freeze the cap there for 18 months. I think that level might actually be about right to tackle the question of demand (though it worries me that the flat rate likely means those on low incomes will really suffer) whilst allowing some surety but not having some sort of mechanism to claw back at least some of the money from the wholesalers seems crazy to me. I guess we shouldn't expect anything different from a conservative government but it seems a huge gamble to me to assume that we won't just be in an even worse position come March 2024, with base rates predicted to spike to 5% by March 2023 adding hundreds of pounds a month to people's mortgages or, if Truss and co nobble the Bank of England, we could be looking at inflation double where it is now. Be interesting to see what she says, one thing for sure, no matter where you sit on the spectrum, you can appreciate it's an incredibly difficult challenge and a difficult time to be PM. Reading that the plan is apparently now to recover the £90bn loan principal from general taxation rather than energy bills. I'm assuming "general taxation" here is a euphemism for Rishi's "war chest" which he set up by supposedly over providing for repayment of inflation linked bonds in his last budget earlier in the year? I expect it'll be another round of public sector cuts too. Interesting to see what that means for homeowners as I expect she will now have to leave the Bank alone now to raise rates and drive down inflation which could mean an interesting year ahead for the property market. Also suggests tax cuts will have to wait for the next budget and will have to be funded from somewhere else which probably means the collision course with the unions continues and we can all expect more disruption, possibly going as far as school and even NHS strikes. I appreciate what you're saying about balancing competing demands but it also feels like a lot of this could be avoided by simply telling shareholders of the energy wholesalers to exercise a modicum of restraint and accept it's a unique situation so they probably aren't going to get quite as big of a windfall. Interesting that that's the option that seems to be off the table. |
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 6, 2022 15:25:26 GMT 1
I disagree, I'm allowed to heavily dislike Corbyn, that's my opinion. I don't see an issue there, I'm hardly alone? I did ask what a nice fella like Suttonshrew, one of our SLOs has done to deserve such vile abuse for simply attending a conservative conference? I don't belittle figures on the political left, I simply don't like some of them and think some of them could benefit from channeling their wasted energy away from social media. There's plenty on the right of the political spectrum that I dislike as well. Your attacks on Corbyn have occasionally bordered on hatred not dislike which are entirely different. "Balanced view from somebody who has met her first hand." You quoted this concerning Priti Patel. I take it, therefore, you have met Corbyn in order to balance your view of him !! I see you're still ignoring the verbal attacks on one of our own, classy. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Sept 6, 2022 15:29:34 GMT 1
Your attacks on Corbyn have occasionally bordered on hatred not dislike which are entirely different. "Balanced view from somebody who has met her first hand." You quoted this concerning Priti Patel. I take it, therefore, you have met Corbyn in order to balance your view of him !! I see you're still ignoring the verbal attacks on one of our own, classy. I have already condemned it if you actually bothered to read my posts. |
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 6, 2022 15:29:55 GMT 1
Be interesting to see what she says, one thing for sure, no matter where you sit on the spectrum, you can appreciate it's an incredibly difficult challenge and a difficult time to be PM. Reading that the plan is apparently now to recover the £90bn loan principal from general taxation rather than energy bills. I'm assuming "general taxation" here is a euphemism for Rishi's "war chest" which he set up by supposedly over providing for repayment of inflation linked bonds in his last budget earlier in the year? I expect it'll be another round of public sector cuts too. Interesting to see what that means for homeowners as I expect she will now have to leave the Bank alone now to raise rates and drive down inflation which could mean an interesting year ahead for the property market. Also suggests tax cuts will have to wait for the next budget and will have to be funded from somewhere else which probably means the collision course with the unions continues and we can all expect more disruption, possibly going as far as school and even NHS strikes. I appreciate what you're saying about balancing competing demands but it also feels like a lot of this could be avoided by simply telling shareholders of the energy wholesalers to exercise a modicum of restraint and accept it's a unique situation so they probably aren't going to get quite as big of a windfall. Interesting that that's the option that seems to be off the table. Quite agree on most of that, it'll certainly be an interesting 6 months in the short term, and up to 24 months until the next general election. I guess we can only wait and see. Good to discuss with someone who has a balanced viewpoint 👍 |
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 6, 2022 15:32:23 GMT 1
Pretty much hits the nail on the head from Piers.
The country’s in a mess and it’s not up to Truss to turn things around. It’s in everybody’s interests she succeeds, if she manages to make things worse we really are up s**t creek.
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Post by kp on Sept 6, 2022 15:38:35 GMT 1
Pretty much hits the nail on the head from Piers. The country’s in a mess and it’s not up to Truss to turn things around. It’s in everybody’s interests she succeeds, if she manages to make things worse we really are up s**t creek. The governmment we have was voted in on a landslide. Everyone knew what they were voting for or what they were voting against. Or at least they thought they knew and if they didn'y know, they should have done. You get the government you deserve. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Sept 6, 2022 17:31:58 GMT 1
Some friends of mine, both Tory party members used to attend their Party conferences, but said they disliked going to Manchester for the abuse that some people gave them while walking about the city. While not condoning such abuse, I can understand it, if, for instance, you and your children are living below the poverty line, and you believe that the Govt might be party responsible, or worse, don’t seem to care about it.
It’s scandalous that 31% of children in the UK are living below the poverty line, and yet, did anyone hear Truss or Sunak address this in the last 2 months? No. If I was in that position, I could understand people venting their frustration at what appears to be Govt indifference.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 6, 2022 18:59:00 GMT 1
Pretty much hits the nail on the head from Piers. The country’s in a mess and it’s not up to Truss to turn things around. It’s in everybody’s interests she succeeds, if she manages to make things worse we really are up s**t creek. The governmment we have was voted in on a landslide. Everyone knew what they were voting for or what they were voting against. Or at least they thought they knew and if they didn'y know, they should have done. You get the government you deserve. Apologies, should say ‘it’s now up to Truss’. An simple autocorrect typo has completely changed the whole context of the message! |
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Post by servernaside on Sept 6, 2022 19:04:47 GMT 1
Piers Morgan is a complete t**t.
Everything he says and does is only about one thing......himself.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Sept 6, 2022 19:31:32 GMT 1
Piers Morgan is a complete t**t. Everything he says and does is only about one thing......himself. Yes absolutely true But what of what he said do you disagree with? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 7, 2022 8:55:36 GMT 1
Roughly a year on from the climate summit and where are we now?
Some of the more zealous anti fossil fuel people perhaps now realise we can't just turn off fossil fuels. But, hopefully, our obvious energy needs will be provided from British resources in future. For the moment, that must include new oil and gas extraction in British waters as well as off shore wind and solar.
We didn't really ought to turn farm land into solar farms - we might need all the food we can produce in this country (20 years ago 80% of our food was British origin, that's down to around 60% now). But, why are football stadiums, farm barns, warehouses, etc. allowed to be built without integral solar panels on the roof?
Hopefully our new energy minister, the climate change sceptic Jacob Rees-Mogg, providies a sensible approach. Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral!
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 7, 2022 9:08:53 GMT 1
Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral! That might be protocol? Hardly going to have knocked the temperature of the earth up 3 degrees that 40 minute flight. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Sept 7, 2022 9:09:29 GMT 1
Roughly a year on from the climate summit and where are we now? Some of the more zealous anti fossil fuel people perhaps now realise we can't just turn off fossil fuels. But, hopefully, our obvious energy needs will be provided from British resources in future. For the moment, that must include new oil and gas extraction in British waters as well as off shore wind and solar. We didn't really ought to turn farm land into solar farms - we might need all the food we can produce in this country (20 years ago 80% of our food was British origin, that's down to around 60% now). But, why are football stadiums, farm barns, warehouses, etc. allowed to be built without integral solar panels on the roof? Hopefully our new energy minister, the climate change sceptic Jacob Rees-Mogg, providies a sensible approach. Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral! We are now at the point where we are actively subsidising the use of a scarce, polluting resource. Planning rejections for solar at an all time high and the new PM, herself an ex-oil and gas industry top dog, ran on a campaign of promising Tory members she wouldn't spoil their views with pesky renewable energy generation sources. If this was a Netflix series, you'd say it was too on the nose. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 7, 2022 9:18:03 GMT 1
Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral! That might be protocol? Hardly going to have knocked the temperature of the earth up 3 degrees that 40 minute flight. Quite simply: Not a very good example for the great and good to set to the rest of us. |
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 7, 2022 9:19:10 GMT 1
That might be protocol? Hardly going to have knocked the temperature of the earth up 3 degrees that 40 minute flight. Quite simply: Not a very good example for the great and good to set to the rest of us. Like I said, it could be protocol? |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Sept 7, 2022 9:19:59 GMT 1
Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral! That might be protocol? Hardly going to have knocked the temperature of the earth up 3 degrees that 40 minute flight. I mean, how would the nation cope if we lost both of them to a plane accident? Doesn't bear thinking about |
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 7, 2022 9:26:04 GMT 1
Roughly a year on from the climate summit and where are we now? Some of the more zealous anti fossil fuel people perhaps now realise we can't just turn off fossil fuels. But, hopefully, our obvious energy needs will be provided from British resources in future. For the moment, that must include new oil and gas extraction in British waters as well as off shore wind and solar. We didn't really ought to turn farm land into solar farms - we might need all the food we can produce in this country (20 years ago 80% of our food was British origin, that's down to around 60% now). But, why are football stadiums, farm barns, warehouses, etc. allowed to be built without integral solar panels on the roof? Hopefully our new energy minister, the climate change sceptic Jacob Rees-Mogg, providies a sensible approach. Liz didn't really start off too well, Boris and Liz jetted up to Aberdeen in SEPARATE planes to see the Queen at Balmoral! We are now at the point where we are actively subsidising the use of a scarce, polluting resource. Planning rejections for solar at an all time high and the new PM, herself an ex-oil and gas industry top dog, ran on a campaign of promising Tory members she wouldn't spoil their views with pesky renewable energy generation sources. If this was a Netflix series, you'd say it was too on the nose. As an ex oil person, she should be in a good position to understand that to survive, oil companies need to change and embrace renewables.
No one wants pesky renewable energy generation sources spoiling their view. But the most reliable wind energy is off shore and every roof should have solar panals.
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Post by staffordshrew on Sept 7, 2022 9:31:03 GMT 1
Quite simply: Not a very good example for the great and good to set to the rest of us. Like I said, it could be protocol? It was protocol for the new and old PM to see the Queen in London - they managed to change that protocol. |
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Post by mattmw on Sept 7, 2022 10:50:56 GMT 1
The new Cabinet looks like as unimaginative as expected.
Think removing Jonny Mercer as veterans minister is a big mistake as he was excellent in that role and had really driven forward some excellent work around support for veterans and new the role inside out
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2022 10:57:35 GMT 1
Vladimir Putin has said the way Britain chooses its leaders is “far from democratic”, a day after Liz Truss replaced Boris Johnson as prime minister.
In his first public comments on Truss’s appointment, the Russian president alluded to the fact she was chosen in a leadership ballot by members of the Conservative party, not by the whole country.
“The people of Great Britain don’t take part, in this instance, in the change of government. The ruling elites there have their arrangements,” he told an economic forum in Vladivostok.
Putin of course also has his arrangements when it comes to elections!
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 7, 2022 11:01:22 GMT 1
Vladimir Putin has said the way Britain chooses its leaders is “far from democratic”, a day after Liz Truss replaced Boris Johnson as prime minister. In his first public comments on Truss’s appointment, the Russian president alluded to the fact she was chosen in a leadership ballot by members of the Conservative party, not by the whole country. “The people of Great Britain don’t take part, in this instance, in the change of government. The ruling elites there have their arrangements,” he told an economic forum in Vladivostok. Putin of course also has his arrangements when it comes to elections! What a penis. Russia as a country is taken less and less serious everyday, they'll amount to nothing but vast space once countries wean off their energy dependence. |
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Post by Pilch on Sept 7, 2022 11:10:34 GMT 1
Vladimir Putin has said the way Britain chooses its leaders is “far from democratic”, a day after Liz Truss replaced Boris Johnson as prime minister. In his first public comments on Truss’s appointment, the Russian president alluded to the fact she was chosen in a leadership ballot by members of the Conservative party, not by the whole country. “The people of Great Britain don’t take part, in this instance, in the change of government. The ruling elites there have their arrangements,” he told an economic forum in Vladivostok. Putin of course also has his arrangements when it comes to elections! What a penis. Russia as a country is taken less and less serious everyday, they'll amount to nothing but vast space once countries wean off their energy dependence. but he may be right I suspect many didn't know what they were voting for, future tory members didn't get a vote, and more importantly do we know how the Irish voted ? its all about them ;-) |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2022 11:30:05 GMT 1
What we don't know is how many Tory Members are from outside the UK, are not British citizens and are not able to vote in General Elections. But they were allowed to vote for Truss or Sunak.
The Tories aren't prepared to release that information.
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Post by kp on Sept 7, 2022 11:47:02 GMT 1
What we don't know is how many Tory Members are from outside the UK, are not British citizens and are not able to vote in General Elections. But they were allowed to vote for Truss or Sunak. The Tories aren't prepared to release that information. Given Putins comments I think you can be sure that plenty of them are Russian. He is a sly old dog and this was a little nod. |
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2022 15:25:31 GMT 1
Credit where credit is due. That was a decent performance from Truss at PMQs today.
Actually answered some of the questions, whereas Boris never answered anything but just blustered and went off the point. Didn't lose her temper either when provoked by some of the questioners.
Shame the braying mob is back, which does neither party any favours when viewed by the general public. The fact we have a weak ineffective Speaker doesn't help.
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Post by martinshrew on Sept 7, 2022 15:48:29 GMT 1
Credit where credit is due. That was a decent performance from Truss at PMQs today. Actually answered some of the questions, whereas Boris never answered anything but just blustered and went off the point. Didn't lose her temper either when provoked by some of the questioners. Shame the braying mob is back, which does neither party any favours when viewed by the general public. The fact we have a weak ineffective Speaker doesn't help. She did well, but wasn't challenged. Starmer:" Do you believe in windfall tax, yes or no?" Truss: "No" We already knew it was no, has been for ages, why waste a valuable question? Bloody daft. |
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Sept 7, 2022 16:57:53 GMT 1
Agreed, thought she was decent. Answered questions, had conviction in her beliefs, and didn’t deflect too many.
Whether I agree with her policies and her cabinet selection is certainly up for debate, but watching PMQs today I found myself think there was a shred of respectability back in proceedings. I think there was respect shown between the two leaders too, you could tell Boris and Kier loathed each other.
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Post by MetaShrew on Sept 7, 2022 17:08:08 GMT 1
I don't agree with her politics, but it must be said that Truss does speak clearly, and, with any luck, there should be little of the distracting sideshow that came with her predecessor. This is essential at a time when the PM must be laser-focused on the country's issues.
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Post by northwestman on Sept 7, 2022 18:53:00 GMT 1
If that never ending question to Truss made by Paulette Hamilton, the new Labour MP for Birmingham Erdington, is evidence of the standard of some of Labour's backbenchers, then Truss might well be in with a chance.
It was more a monologue than a question.
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