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Post by block12massive on Aug 10, 2022 11:43:33 GMT 1
Surprised there's been little mention of Gordon Brown's intervention at an attempt to stay relevant over the last few days. The usual revisionism taking place where those on the left have managed to convince themselves like with John Major recently, that one of the most disastrous Prime Ministers in recent history might have something useful to say. The "economist" who sold of the gold on the cheap. www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/08/08/gordon-brown-cant-escape-blame-britains-energy-crisis/ |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 10, 2022 11:51:06 GMT 1
Surprised there's been little mention of Gordon Brown's intervention at an attempt to stay relevant over the last few days. The usual revisionism taking place where those on the left have managed to convince themselves like with John Major recently, that one of the most disastrous Prime Ministers in recent history might have something useful to say. The "economist" who sold of the gold on the cheap. www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2022/08/08/gordon-brown-cant-escape-blame-britains-energy-crisis/On the other hand he seems straight, decent and thoughtful - not something you could level at our outgoing leader. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 12:13:43 GMT 1
To be clear, the privileges enquiry will continue unless and until the government tables a motion rescinding the original motion and the house votes such a motion through. If Truss tables such a motion, her government will be doomed from the outset, tearing up the rules again.
The attempt to pretend Johnson isn’t leaving in disgrace after bringing about his own downfall will convince voters that Truss/Johnson are one and the same. If Truss tables a motion to rescind the privileges inquiry her government will rapidly earn the same repute as Johnson’s.
Chris Bryant.
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 10, 2022 12:17:16 GMT 1
To be clear, the privileges enquiry will continue unless and until the government tables a motion rescinding the original motion and the house votes such a motion through. If Truss tables such a motion, her government will be doomed from the outset, tearing up the rules again. The attempt to pretend Johnson isn’t leaving in disgrace after bringing about his own downfall will convince voters that Truss/Johnson are one and the same. If Truss tables a motion to rescind the privileges inquiry her government will rapidly earn the same repute as Johnson’s. Chris Bryant. Easier if you just state in black and white that you simply will not be happy until there's a Labour majority regardless of who is in charge of the Tories. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 10, 2022 12:23:17 GMT 1
To be clear, the privileges enquiry will continue unless and until the government tables a motion rescinding the original motion and the house votes such a motion through. If Truss tables such a motion, her government will be doomed from the outset, tearing up the rules again. The attempt to pretend Johnson isn’t leaving in disgrace after bringing about his own downfall will convince voters that Truss/Johnson are one and the same. If Truss tables a motion to rescind the privileges inquiry her government will rapidly earn the same repute as Johnson’s. Chris Bryant. Easier if you just state in black and white that you simply will not be happy until there's a Labour majority regardless of who is in charge of the Tories. That's what I would say. But I think all Northwestman wants is politicians that play with a straight bat - unlike the last few years. If it's Truss she's talking of ripping up the rules again, no love lost between Sunak and Johnson now, so, if Sunak gets the nod the correct process will be followed as per all that Northwestman is asking for. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 12:51:33 GMT 1
Easier if you just state in black and white that you simply will not be happy until there's a Labour majority regardless of who is in charge of the Tories. That's what I would say. But I think all Northwestman wants is politicians that play with a straight bat - unlike the last few years. If it's Truss she's talking of ripping up the rules again, no love lost between Sunak and Johnson now, so, if Sunak gets the nod the correct process will be followed as per all that Northwestman is asking for. As I've said on other posts, I have no enthusiasm for Starmer and the Labour Party either. It's just that it's the Tories that are in power at the moment and are therefore open to criticism for their actions. To label me as a Labour supporter just because of my frequent criticisms of Johnson's government and its record of sleaze and corruption is being seriously wide of the mark. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 14:07:25 GMT 1
Is this all we have to show for a Government of 12 years standing — inflation heading for 13pc, a looming recession and a public service infrastructure seemingly incapable of meeting basic standards of supply? About the only thing the new occupants of Downing Street will have going for them is the even more hopeless state of the opposition.
Yet you only need to look at the disaster of the National Health Service to see that state ownership of key public services is no guarantee of success either. The failings in health provision might reasonably be seen as even worse than those of the privately owned energy and water companies.
The narrative is already well established and gaining traction by the day — that the public has been fleeced by voracious private investors, who have put profit before security of supply and in their hunger for supercharged returns ignored all the basic principles of responsible investment in the future.
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Post by armchairfan on Aug 10, 2022 14:15:01 GMT 1
Whether or not it constituted "a pitch for votes" is hardly the matter, but the fact is that such derisive views are not not going to endear you to the electorate at large, B&A or not, nor for that matter, with your comrades and friends who must continue to seek that support if the changes which you evidently desire are to come about - we have the great fortune to live in a democracy, imperfect though it may be; with friends like you, those on the Left of British politics (and I have no idea whether that includes you) have no need of enemies! None of which changes the factual content of my post. Politically semi literate...at best. Hence, we are where we are. Enjoy. As an afterthought, what percentage of the electorate even bothered to vote in the last round of local elections? Do you know what percentage of people can even name the MP or just the constituency in which they live? This is from an organisation called Hansard, you maybe aware of them? www.djsresearch.co.uk/LocalGovernmentMarketResearchInsightsAndFindings/article/75-per-cent-of-people-dont-know-who-their-local-MP-is-survey-finds-02315Yet you believe these people are simultaneously informed and politically astute? Your post, in fact, was totally bereft of any "factual content" whatsoever: it was merely the expression of your OPINION as to the political literacy of the electorate, which, I repeat,will not win your stance much support - nobody likes being spoken of in such a manner; insofar as reaction is highly likely to be unfavourable, I say again - keep up the good work! Not once have I necessarily disagreed with the accuracy or otherwise of your central point, however - my point is that merely to express such an arrogant view is guaranteed to keep you far away from the decision-making power in our democratic system which you evidently crave.....not so much a matter of shooting oneself in the foot, as discharging both barrels into the brain! |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 10, 2022 16:05:35 GMT 1
You're as naive as the comrade if you think the private companies will roll over and sell back the railways, energy etc and just take a pittance for it. I know what hinsight is though... What is hinsight though  |
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Post by kenwood on Aug 10, 2022 16:06:39 GMT 1
The Tory Party would love to see the end of food banks and they are well on their way to realising their dream.
The present financial s**te show that people find themselves in is reflected in the dramatic fall off of donations to food banks .Less and less is being collected as more and more just cannot afford to donate putting their own needs first.
Here’s a prediction for you; a National Strike and huge protest marches are on the horizon .
Won’t bother the disgraceful blond ball bag, he will soon be off to write his story of how he did things his way and saved the Country . Surely a best seller , mad nad would probably buy a fair percentage of his written drivel for a start .
Onward and Upward to Oblivion then comrades.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 16:52:12 GMT 1
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Post by block12massive on Aug 10, 2022 16:56:45 GMT 1
The Tory Party would love to see the end of food banks and they are well on their way to realising their dream. The present financial s**te show that people find themselves in is reflected in the dramatic fall off of donations to food banks .Less and less is being collected as more and more just cannot afford to donate putting their own needs first. Here’s a prediction for you; a National Strike and huge protest marches are on the horizon . Won’t bother the disgraceful blond ball bag, he will soon be off to write his story of how he did things his way and saved the Country . Surely a best seller , mad nad would probably buy a fair percentage of his written drivel for a start . Onward and Upward to Oblivion then comrades. Most people would want to see the end to food banks I'm sure. If you means tested people using them or educated people how to cook / look after their financial matters then I'd imagine there'd only be a handful left. But that requires individual responsibility. Something your lot don't know the meaning of. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 17:12:12 GMT 1
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Post by kenwood on Aug 10, 2022 17:32:07 GMT 1
The Tory Party would love to see the end of food banks and they are well on their way to realising their dream. The present financial s**te show that people find themselves in is reflected in the dramatic fall off of donations to food banks .Less and less is being collected as more and more just cannot afford to donate putting their own needs first. Here’s a prediction for you; a National Strike and huge protest marches are on the horizon . Won’t bother the disgraceful blond ball bag, he will soon be off to write his story of how he did things his way and saved the Country . Surely a best seller , mad nad would probably buy a fair percentage of his written drivel for a start . Onward and Upward to Oblivion then comrades. Most people would want to see the end to food banks I'm sure. If you means tested people using them or educated people how to cook / look after their financial matters then I'd imagine there'd only be a handful left. But that requires individual responsibility. Something your lot don't know the meaning of. A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 17:39:46 GMT 1
I've no idea how to cook. I made 2 attempts, one in the 1970s, one in the 1980s.
As the 2nd attempt involved me putting boil in the bag kippers in the oven in a pan with a wooden handle and nearly burning the flat down, I've long since given up.
I owned a house in Northwich for 8 years in the 80's. When I sold it, my colleague wanted to buy my cooker. He was amazed to find cellophane over the grill and a cookbook and label in the oven.
Since then, I've been totally reliant on others, numerous meals out and microwaves.
No enthusiasm to be educated though!
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Post by martinshrew on Aug 10, 2022 17:51:37 GMT 1
Most people would want to see the end to food banks I'm sure. If you means tested people using them or educated people how to cook / look after their financial matters then I'd imagine there'd only be a handful left. But that requires individual responsibility. Something your lot don't know the meaning of. A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. The OP is correct in some things he states though. Food banks should be means tested, I know of people who use them and get deliveries from them who really don't need them. A lady gave us her yoghurt they sent her the other day that she " doesn't like" and proceeded to go for a fag and then put £10 in a fruit machine in a pub. Beggars belief. How are nurses earning a basic salary of £25k+ minimum plus enhancements using food banks? Pensioners on credit who've just had £150 rebate, £325 cost of living, another £325 cost of living to come, £600 winter fuel ... How are they "staying in bed to stay warm"?. Again I think food banks should provide meal ideas and instructions with the food they hand out, might be useless to most but could teach some people a thing or two. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 10, 2022 17:59:45 GMT 1
Again I think food banks should provide meal ideas and instructions with the food they hand out, might be useless to most but could teach some people a thing or two. Unless it was the provision of free maps as to where the nearest chippies are plus their ratings, any advice to me would be futile. That said, I can't see me ever visiting a foodbank. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 10, 2022 18:46:48 GMT 1
A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. The OP is correct in some things he states though. Food banks should be means tested, I know of people who use them and get deliveries from them who really don't need them. A lady gave us her yoghurt they sent her the other day that she " doesn't like" and proceeded to go for a fag and then put £10 in a fruit machine in a pub. Beggars belief. How are nurses earning a basic salary of £25k+ minimum plus enhancements using food banks? Pensioners on credit who've just had £150 rebate, £325 cost of living, another £325 cost of living to come, £600 winter fuel ... How are they "staying in bed to stay warm"?. Again I think food banks should provide meal ideas and instructions with the food they hand out, might be useless to most but could teach some people a thing or two. How would means testing work in food banks though? With rate rises and hige increase in heating bills there are inevitably going to be people on nominally good incomes who find themselves short for one reason or another; do we deny them food because they " don't deserve it" or do we save the sanctimony for after we've solved the immediate problem of preventing them from going hungry? I'd love to know more about this exchange with a food bank user; did this happen in a pub (presumably that's how you know she then went and played the fruit machine)? Suppose the bottom line is there will always be some who abuse the system but the ideological split at the moment seems to be between those who think a minority of abusers is an acceptable cost of doing business to help the law abiding majority and those who think it's possible (and desirable) to catch every instance of cheating the system. |
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Aug 10, 2022 18:52:53 GMT 1
I love using food banks for a laugh, personally. Loads of money in my pocket, why conveniently pick up some shopping on my way home when I can go through having the ordeal of taking the pittance that generous donations allow?
Up yours, Trussell Trust!
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Post by block12massive on Aug 11, 2022 8:45:58 GMT 1
Most people would want to see the end to food banks I'm sure. If you means tested people using them or educated people how to cook / look after their financial matters then I'd imagine there'd only be a handful left. But that requires individual responsibility. Something your lot don't know the meaning of. A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. More bitter than Fuller's brewery. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 8:54:43 GMT 1
To be clear, the privileges enquiry will continue unless and until the government tables a motion rescinding the original motion and the house votes such a motion through. If Truss tables such a motion, her government will be doomed from the outset, tearing up the rules again. The attempt to pretend Johnson isn’t leaving in disgrace after bringing about his own downfall will convince voters that Truss/Johnson are one and the same. If Truss tables a motion to rescind the privileges inquiry her government will rapidly earn the same repute as Johnson’s. Chris Bryant. Truss will back off from tabling any such motion, claiming what she said was "misinterpreted". It's just a cheap stunt to get Conservative party members with a liking for Boris to vote for her - same as the things she said about giving Boris a role in the cabinet. |
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Post by Exkeeper on Aug 11, 2022 9:01:11 GMT 1
A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. More bitter than Fuller's brewery. I like bitter. Much better than that Continental stuff which is good water spoilt. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 9:09:22 GMT 1
The Tory Party would love to see the end of food banks and they are well on their way to realising their dream. The present financial s**te show that people find themselves in is reflected in the dramatic fall off of donations to food banks .Less and less is being collected as more and more just cannot afford to donate putting their own needs first. Here’s a prediction for you; a National Strike and huge protest marches are on the horizon . Won’t bother the disgraceful blond ball bag, he will soon be off to write his story of how he did things his way and saved the Country . Surely a best seller , mad nad would probably buy a fair percentage of his written drivel for a start . Onward and Upward to Oblivion then comrades. After the faithful have bought BJ's memoirs, the rest of us will be able to buy it reduced in The Works and burn it to keep warm.... |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 11, 2022 9:13:24 GMT 1
The leadership contest goes on until early September. Until then, Britain has a caretaker government unfocused on policy. When a new prime minister is chosen on 5 September, all immediate politics will be taken up with government changes. Ten days later, parliament goes into another recess until the middle of October. Yet on 1 October, the new energy price cap comes into force.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 9:21:38 GMT 1
The Tory Party would love to see the end of food banks and they are well on their way to realising their dream. The present financial s**te show that people find themselves in is reflected in the dramatic fall off of donations to food banks .Less and less is being collected as more and more just cannot afford to donate putting their own needs first. Here’s a prediction for you; a National Strike and huge protest marches are on the horizon . Won’t bother the disgraceful blond ball bag, he will soon be off to write his story of how he did things his way and saved the Country . Surely a best seller , mad nad would probably buy a fair percentage of his written drivel for a start . Onward and Upward to Oblivion then comrades. Most people would want to see the end to food banks I'm sure. If you means tested people using them or educated people how to cook / look after their financial matters then I'd imagine there'd only be a handful left. But that requires individual responsibility. Something your lot don't know the meaning of. Where our politicians went wrong is not nipping food banks in the bud when they started. They didn't find out why they were starting and fix it, a real living wage, the NI threshold lifted - as has only just been done to try to get Sunak off the hook on his NI rise. Yes, that might have included better home management and cookery classes at school years ago.
Now they have let food banks become endemic and hardly anyone can afford to even donate to them. It's a problem politicians would like to see the back of of their own making.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 11, 2022 9:44:23 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covidThe government is drawing up contingency plans for power cuts this winter as it finally wakes up to the reality of what the next few months will bring. Britain has a cost of living crisis. It also has a housing crisis and an energy crisis. Weeks without rain in southern England mean there is a looming drought crisis. The NHS is only one serious Covid-19 outbreak away from crunch point. These crises are all distinct and special in their own way but they also have a common theme: a failure to invest stretching back decades. An obsession with efficiency has meant infrastructure has been run into the ground rather than upgraded. Cost-cutting has been given a higher priority than capacity building. Take the NHS. International comparisons show Britain has one of the lowest number of hospital beds for each head of population of any western country, a smaller number of intensive care beds, and one of the highest bed occupancy rates. Problems with this seat-of-the-pants approach were brutally exposed by the arrival of the Covid-19 pandemic in the spring of 2020. Or take water. Since 1990 the population of the UK has risen by about 10 million to 67 million but not a single new reservoir has been built in the past three decades. More than 200,000 miles of water pipes date back to Victorian times yet the water companies are replacing them at a rate of 0.05% a year. That compares with a European average of 0.5%. Then there’s the state of the country’s housing stock. A report by the energy firm EDF found almost 60% of 21m homes in England and Wales only met insulation standards of the mid-1970s or earlier – costing households up to £930 a year in higher energy bills. In the early 1970s, the lights went out when the miners went on strike. If they go out again this winter it will be because there is not enough domestic capacity and supplies of imported energy are insufficient to meet demand. Governments of both persuasions have been responsible for this state of affairs. I doubt that either Sunak or Truss is going to even scratch the surface of failings that have been going on for decades.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 10:31:37 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/business/2022/aug/10/britain-crises-one-thing-in-common-failure-to-invest-cost-of-living-drought-covidThe government is drawing up contingency plans for power cuts this winter as it finally wakes up to the reality of what the next few months will bring. Britain has a cost of living crisis. It also has a housing crisis and an energy crisis. Weeks without rain in southern England mean there is a looming drought crisis. The NHS is only one serious Covid-19 outbreak away from crunch point. These crises are all distinct and special in their own way but they also have a common theme: a failure to invest stretching back decades. An obsession with efficiency has meant infrastructure has been run into the ground rather than upgraded. Cost-cutting has been given a higher priority than capacity building. Take the NHS. International comparisons show Britain has one of the lowest number of hospital beds for each head of population of any western country, a smaller number of intensive care beds, and one of the highest bed occupancy rates. Problems with this seat-of-the-pants approach were brutally exposed by the arrival of the Covid-19 pandemic in the spring of 2020. Or take water. Since 1990 the population of the UK has risen by about 10 million to 67 million but not a single new reservoir has been built in the past three decades. More than 200,000 miles of water pipes date back to Victorian times yet the water companies are replacing them at a rate of 0.05% a year. That compares with a European average of 0.5%. Then there’s the state of the country’s housing stock. A report by the energy firm EDF found almost 60% of 21m homes in England and Wales only met insulation standards of the mid-1970s or earlier – costing households up to £930 a year in higher energy bills. In the early 1970s, the lights went out when the miners went on strike. If they go out again this winter it will be because there is not enough domestic capacity and supplies of imported energy are insufficient to meet demand. Governments of both persuasions have been responsible for this state of affairs. I doubt that either Sunak or Truss is going to even scratch the surface of failings that have been going on for decades. Now I know the West Coast main line is another example of an asset "sweating", but, based on everything else that is stretched, was HS2 really the big infrastructure prpject that money should have gone on? Looking at the big picture, energy is key and is a resource that too many countries not really on our "side" hold. Had we had a big infrastructure project to reduce reliance on OPEC oil, etc. we would have been quids in by now. The US is now treating silicon chips as the new oil - being made in countries like Taiwan - and putting money in to get stuff US made to get around future supply problems. Look to make yourself less susceptable to supply problems and spending less with questionable countries to buy resources before you build a railway line. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Aug 11, 2022 10:45:57 GMT 1
News now saying the energy cap could be forecast to go as high as £5k in 2023.
If the heatwave keeps up, energy companies go ahead with lifting direct debits from 26th August and we get another 0.5% rate increase in early September I think it's looking very dicey for a prospective new government. We could see rioting pretty much the minute Truss is appointed.
I'm going to guess around September 10th. Poll tax riots 2.0 unless somebody pulls their finger out and actually does something.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 10:47:34 GMT 1
A magnificent response from a caring Tory . Lets be honest, you haven’t a clue have you. What a disgraceful comment , “if you means tested people using them “. You then go on to suggest that educating people how to cook would be a problem solver. BUT best of all you imply that people are using food banks because they cannot look after their finances . What world do you inhabit . The sooner we get rid of clowns like you who are ruining this Country the better for all concerned. I’ve read some s**te on this board over the years but many congrats , yours is by far and away the most ignorant and disgusting post yet. The OP is correct in some things he states though. Food banks should be means tested, I know of people who use them and get deliveries from them who really don't need them. A lady gave us her yoghurt they sent her the other day that she " doesn't like" and proceeded to go for a fag and then put £10 in a fruit machine in a pub. Beggars belief. How are nurses earning a basic salary of £25k+ minimum plus enhancements using food banks? Pensioners on credit who've just had £150 rebate, £325 cost of living, another £325 cost of living to come, £600 winter fuel ... How are they "staying in bed to stay warm"?. Again I think food banks should provide meal ideas and instructions with the food they hand out, might be useless to most but could teach some people a thing or two. They do. There was an article just last week where a foodbank was saying they would have to revise their "serving suggestions" and instructions because people are getting too scared to switch the oven on because of the cost. That's where Martin Lewis is right, politicians have to say what is going to happen sooner, rather than later. We are currently in one of those newspaper led frenies like the petrol queues a few months ago - people are scared of something that, in reality, the government is going to have to do something about eventually. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 11, 2022 10:49:33 GMT 1
News now saying the energy cap could be forecast to go as high as £5k in 2023. If the heatwave keeps up, energy companies go ahead with lifting direct debits from 26th August and we get another 0.5% rate increase in early September I think it's looking very dicey for a prospective new government. We could see rioting pretty much the minute Truss is appointed. I'm going to guess around September 10th. Poll tax riots 2.0 unless somebody pulls their finger out and actually does something. Fools rush in.
Ben Wallace didn't even stand as a candidate. Had more sense, maybe later.
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