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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 29, 2022 15:25:04 GMT 1
I agree with your comment about Badenoch , certainly when compared with the other two . Not so regarding your comment about Labour . Corbyn and McDonnell did for Labour in its heartlands , they couldn’t be trusted . This is apart from the internal battle within Labour and not just within the Parliamentary party . It seems as if Starmer hasn’t quite grasped the reason why the Labour Party came into existence which surprisingly doesn’t help . Years wasted allowing the likes of May and Johnson to do their worst . Still, that’s politics . Let’s see how Truss manages the Country’s fortunes. I fear the worst I really do but I do struggle to identify a strong leader from within the Labour Party when the time comes 😉😳 Heard Starmer the other day on radio, and he had little to offer except criticism of Govt. Had a think, if Labour had a leadership contest, how many potential leaders I could name or identify- was only 5 or 6. There really is a lack of talent in politics at the moment. I agree there is a total lack of talent in all partys .Badenoch seems to be one of the few sensible ones ,from a conservative point of view just a pity Ruth Davidson stood down in 2021 and went to the house of lords , from wikie In 2018, she ruled out running in a future leadership election, saying she valued her mental health "too much".[49] On 29 August 2019, Davidson stood down citing several political and personal reasons for her decision to resign as leader.[50] Return to backbenches Jackson Carlaw (left) and Davidson (right) on the Scottish Conservative frontbench in 2018 Post resignation, Davidson criticised Boris Johnson for suspending 21 Conservative MPs in September 2019 and said he was doing so to make sure that the moderates in his cabinet were replaced by "more compliant Conservatives"(well she got that right) As for labour i despair . |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 29, 2022 15:32:13 GMT 1
It just shows what a sorry state we are in when none of us can actually name anyone in any party who is what we need at the moment.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 29, 2022 15:32:55 GMT 1
It just shows what a sorry state we are in when none of us can actually name anyone in any party who is what we need at the moment. i know and i agree |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 29, 2022 15:44:02 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak today anounce he would deport 5,600 foreign prisoners who are in uk jails the last time i looked it was over 13,000 , it costs £44,600 a year for every prisoner in a uk jail. www.statista.com/statistics/1202172/cost-per-prisoner-england-and-wales/personally i think pigs will fly before Sunak can deport any large numbers,a numbre of attempts have failed all due to various violations of there human rights . we could not deport them when we were in the EU so i cant see how he suddenly thinks we can. we also have to strike a balance to not demonise certain ethnic groups, equally under Boris he has tried to chip away at the human rights act during his time in office. this guardian example gives vaild reason why they were not deported many due to a lack of due process www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/21/foreign-criminals-tories-human-rights-act |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 30, 2022 8:54:58 GMT 1
Yes, Ruth Davison would have been a breath of fresh air for the Tories.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 30, 2022 9:03:26 GMT 1
Yes, Ruth Davison would have been a breath of fresh air for the Tories. What might have been.
We are stuck with the member's choice of these two makeweights, it's not going to go well. I'm sure we will have to wait until the very last minute for the next General Election too.
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Post by kenwood on Jul 30, 2022 11:32:21 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak today anounce he would deport 5,600 foreign prisoners who are in uk jails the last time i looked it was over 13,000 , it costs £44,600 a year for every prisoner in a uk jail. www.statista.com/statistics/1202172/cost-per-prisoner-england-and-wales/personally i think pigs will fly before Sunak can deport any large numbers,a numbre of attempts have failed all due to various violations of there human rights . we could not deport them when we were in the EU so i cant see how he suddenly thinks we can. we also have to strike a balance to not demonise certain ethnic groups, equally under Boris he has tried to chip away at the human rights act during his time in office. this guardian example gives vaild reason why they were not deported many due to a lack of due process www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/21/foreign-criminals-tories-human-rights-actSunak is desperate knowing he is falling further behind Truss in the leadership contest . I have discussed the two main candidates with others and have been surprised at some of their comments . Mainly concerning Sunak and his ethnicity and their feeling that they do not want someone with his background to become PM . I challenged their view , racism pure and simple but it got me thinking, is this the general consensus of party members ? |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 30, 2022 12:28:31 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak today anounce he would deport 5,600 foreign prisoners who are in uk jails the last time i looked it was over 13,000 , it costs £44,600 a year for every prisoner in a uk jail. www.statista.com/statistics/1202172/cost-per-prisoner-england-and-wales/personally i think pigs will fly before Sunak can deport any large numbers,a numbre of attempts have failed all due to various violations of there human rights . we could not deport them when we were in the EU so i cant see how he suddenly thinks we can. we also have to strike a balance to not demonise certain ethnic groups, equally under Boris he has tried to chip away at the human rights act during his time in office. this guardian example gives vaild reason why they were not deported many due to a lack of due process www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/21/foreign-criminals-tories-human-rights-actSunak is desperate knowing he is falling further behind Truss in the leadership contest . I have discussed the two main candidates with others and have been surprised at some of their comments . Mainly concerning Sunak and his ethnicity and their feeling that they do not want someone with his background to become PM . I challenged their view , racism pure and simple but it got me thinking, is this the general consensus of party members ? you would hope not but it would not suprise me if that was the case. |
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Post by shrewder on Jul 30, 2022 12:30:00 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak today anounce he would deport 5,600 foreign prisoners who are in uk jails the last time i looked it was over 13,000 , it costs £44,600 a year for every prisoner in a uk jail. www.statista.com/statistics/1202172/cost-per-prisoner-england-and-wales/personally i think pigs will fly before Sunak can deport any large numbers,a numbre of attempts have failed all due to various violations of there human rights . we could not deport them when we were in the EU so i cant see how he suddenly thinks we can. we also have to strike a balance to not demonise certain ethnic groups, equally under Boris he has tried to chip away at the human rights act during his time in office. this guardian example gives vaild reason why they were not deported many due to a lack of due process www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/21/foreign-criminals-tories-human-rights-actSunak is desperate knowing he is falling further behind Truss in the leadership contest . I have discussed the two main candidates with others and have been surprised at some of their comments . Mainly concerning Sunak and his ethnicity and their feeling that they do not want someone with his background to become PM . I challenged their view , racism pure and simple but it got me thinking, is this the general consensus of party members ? Be very difficult to prove racism but don't feel comfortable with the way this is developing. |
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Post by armchairfan on Jul 30, 2022 12:31:19 GMT 1
Rishi Sunak today anounce he would deport 5,600 foreign prisoners who are in uk jails the last time i looked it was over 13,000 , it costs £44,600 a year for every prisoner in a uk jail. www.statista.com/statistics/1202172/cost-per-prisoner-england-and-wales/personally i think pigs will fly before Sunak can deport any large numbers,a numbre of attempts have failed all due to various violations of there human rights . we could not deport them when we were in the EU so i cant see how he suddenly thinks we can. we also have to strike a balance to not demonise certain ethnic groups, equally under Boris he has tried to chip away at the human rights act during his time in office. this guardian example gives vaild reason why they were not deported many due to a lack of due process www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/dec/21/foreign-criminals-tories-human-rights-actSunak is desperate knowing he is falling further behind Truss in the leadership contest . I have discussed the two main candidates with others and have been surprised at some of their comments . Mainly concerning Sunak and his ethnicity and their feeling that they do not want someone with his background to become PM . I challenged their view , racism pure and simple but it got me thinking, is this the general consensus of party members ? Speaking as an ordinary party-member, I have not heard so much as a hint of this and if I detect even a whiff of such views, you can rest assured that I shall jump upon it from a very great height at the hustings event I am attending next week; that said, given the source of that report (the Guardian) I suspect that there is a little bit of mischief-making and pot-stirring at work here. I have yet to make up my mind, but my inclination at the moment is to vote for Mr Sunak. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2022 10:01:39 GMT 1
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 31, 2022 11:06:10 GMT 1
Sunak is desperate knowing he is falling further behind Truss in the leadership contest . I have discussed the two main candidates with others and have been surprised at some of their comments . Mainly concerning Sunak and his ethnicity and their feeling that they do not want someone with his background to become PM . I challenged their view , racism pure and simple but it got me thinking, is this the general consensus of party members ? Speaking as an ordinary party-member, I have not heard so much as a hint of this and if I detect even a whiff of such views, you can rest assured that I shall jump upon it from a very great height at the hustings event I am attending next week; that said, given the source of that report (the Guardian) I suspect that there is a little bit of mischief-making and pot-stirring at work here. I have yet to make up my mind, but my inclination at the moment is to vote for Mr Sunak. Sounds as though you are giving serious thought to backing another lawbreaker  |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 31, 2022 11:28:00 GMT 1
Ministers are piling in to support Truss now they think she's going to win. I suspect that this is nothing to do with her policies, some of which seem off the wall, and everything to do with 'gizza a job' in her Cabinet.
Dorries, Coffey and Rees Mogg have lined themselves up very early on for high profile roles. Even Leadsom might make a comeback!
Meanwhile, if Sunak loses, he may as well reapply for his green card, retire from politics, and return to Goldman Sachs.
There's no way whatsoever he'll ever get the Chancellor's job back.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 31, 2022 12:16:48 GMT 1
Yes, sure Sunak will not stand again at next election, so another talent lost to politics ( see earlier discussion). Bit like Rory Stewart last time as well.
Seems like the Tory party reward loyalty over competence, perhaps it was ever thus. No doubt, those two nodding donkeys, Dories and Rees-Mogg will find their way into the cabinet.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 31, 2022 13:22:57 GMT 1
With friends like Nadine, you don't need enemies. But, the way things are going it looks like Truss has been planning for this contest, while Sunak assumed a while back he would just be shoehorned in.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2022 12:10:24 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 1, 2022 12:29:28 GMT 1
Sunak mentioned 16p in the pound tax on the Today programme - this is becoming a race to outdo each other's promises.
Promises are easy to make and easy to break for both of them. What we do know is that Sunak increased taxes while the public were suffering a cost of living crisis and Liz Truss is -
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Post by kp on Aug 1, 2022 13:01:37 GMT 1
Have either of the candidates been through the WEF does anyone know?
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Post by block12massive on Aug 1, 2022 13:57:12 GMT 1
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Post by wookeywombat on Aug 1, 2022 14:43:06 GMT 1
Compared with the current choice of a lawbreaker and the person who changes her opinions according to which way the wind is blowing...a definite YES. |
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Post by block12massive on Aug 1, 2022 14:45:58 GMT 1
Compared with the current choice of a lawbreaker and the person who changes her opinions according to which way the wind is blowing...a definite YES. He's a buffoon. If he was still a Tory, you'd say he was a buffoon. Also the fact he is no longer a Tory, may suggest he also changes his opinions according to which way the wind is blowing. |
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 1, 2022 15:29:22 GMT 1
With friends like Nadine, you don't need enemies. But, the way things are going it looks like Truss has been planning for this contest, while Sunak assumed a while back he would just be shoehorned in.
So you're suggesting he's been Trussed up? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 1, 2022 15:34:24 GMT 1
With friends like Nadine, you don't need enemies. But, the way things are going it looks like Truss has been planning for this contest, while Sunak assumed a while back he would just be shoehorned in.
So you're suggesting he's been Trussed up? Like most politicians, neither of them can be Trussted. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 1, 2022 15:37:38 GMT 1
You have to wonder why Sunak even bothers with politics, but then again you could say the same of Trump.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 1, 2022 16:06:47 GMT 1
You have to wonder why Sunak even bothers with politics, but then again you could say the same of Trump. To mention Sunak in the same sentence as Trump is very unkind. Trump is on this earth to continue the Devil's work. Sunak is on this earth to continue Margaret Thatcher's work - totally different. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 1, 2022 16:22:15 GMT 1
Compared with the current choice of a lawbreaker and the person who changes her opinions according to which way the wind is blowing...a definite YES. He's a buffoon. If he was still a Tory, you'd say he was a buffoon. Also the fact he is no longer a Tory, may suggest he also changes his opinions according to which way the wind is blowing. I’m sure he’d still call himself a Tory. Better than the yes men and women who seem to be around now. Maybe too much of an original thinker and one who didn’t tow the party line to be successful in today’s Tory party. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Aug 1, 2022 16:47:15 GMT 1
Compared with the current choice of a lawbreaker and the person who changes her opinions according to which way the wind is blowing...a definite YES. He's a buffoon. If he was still a Tory, you'd say he was a buffoon. Also the fact he is no longer a Tory, may suggest he also changes his opinions according to which way the wind is blowing. Rather bizarrely he was informed by text that he would not be allowed to stand as a Conservative MP at the same time as being awarded politician of the year. I rest my case and also emphasises that arch Brexiters drove out a large tranche of decent politicians leaving us with those that have risen way above their capabilities. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Aug 1, 2022 19:33:47 GMT 1
He's a buffoon. If he was still a Tory, you'd say he was a buffoon. Also the fact he is no longer a Tory, may suggest he also changes his opinions according to which way the wind is blowing. Rather bizarrely he was informed by text that he would not be allowed to stand as a Conservative MP at the same time as being awarded politician of the year. I rest my case and also emphasises that arch Brexiters drove out a large tranche of decent politicians leaving us with those that have risen way above their capabilities. Dominic Greave was another who falls into that category. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 8:45:31 GMT 1
It's an unedifying sight, watching Penny Mordaunt coming out in support of Liz Truss. Turns out she wasn't such a breath of fresh air after all. Presumably now prepared to paper over the cracks to try to get a cabinet job. Watch out Liz, they are all pledging their support now you seem to be the favourite, but they will all stab you in the back if things don't go well.
With ideas that just are not going to work, the latest being regional pay bargaining for public service workers (what happened to levelling up?), it doesn't look like things will go well.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 2, 2022 8:46:39 GMT 1
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-conservative-leadership-civil-service-b2135840.htmlLiz Truss plan means lower pay for public service workers in poorer areas. Liz Truss last night revealed plans to cut pay for public sector workers – including teachers and nurses – outside the wealthy southeast in a bid to save £11bn. Labour said the idea would sound the death-knell for the government’s “levelling-up” agenda by widening the regional income gap. The Tory leadership front runner presented her plan as a “war on Whitehall waste” that would also see civil service holiday entitlements slashed.
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