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Post by ssshrew on Aug 2, 2022 8:52:47 GMT 1
How does she justify calling nurses and teachers ‘waste’ wherever they live in the country?
One thing is for sure this country will still be a mess whichever of the twerps is elected. Nothing will change and the future will still look very bleak politically.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 8:59:09 GMT 1
Aren't we short of teachers and nurses? Don't we have some of the poorest performing schools in poorer areas? Liz Truss' latest plan looks like the perfect way to make things worse.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 9:03:29 GMT 1
How does she justify calling nurses and teachers ‘waste’ wherever they live in the country? One thing is for sure this country will still be a mess whichever of the twerps is elected. Nothing will change and the future will still look very bleak politically. What's even more worrying is that with Sunak nothing will change.
With Truss everything will change. Those devisive policies will unleash a backlash to rival Thatcher's poll tax riots.
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Post by block12massive on Aug 2, 2022 9:04:43 GMT 1
How does she justify calling nurses and teachers ‘waste’ wherever they live in the country? One thing is for sure this country will still be a mess whichever of the twerps is elected. Nothing will change and the future will still look very bleak politically. What's even more worrying is that with Sunak nothing will change.
With Truss everything will change. Those devisive policies will unleash a backlash to rival Thatcher's poll tax riots.
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Post by davycrockett on Aug 2, 2022 9:09:04 GMT 1
I think whoever the new PM is needs to think very carefully about controls on inflation v pay rises and help with bills etc…. with Energy and Fuel company’s making record profits, fat cats raking it in, runaway inflation and generally very poor leadership (on both parties) Liz Truss jumps in with both feet making unpopular choices (like higher wages in the affluent south, increased numbers of deportations of migrants abroad et al) I can see a winter of discontent and even widespread civil unrest. Some difficult times for whoever’s PM.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 9:15:26 GMT 1
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-conservative-leadership-civil-service-b2135840.htmlLiz Truss plan means lower pay for public service workers in poorer areas. Liz Truss last night revealed plans to cut pay for public sector workers – including teachers and nurses – outside the wealthy southeast in a bid to save £11bn. Labour said the idea would sound the death-knell for the government’s “levelling-up” agenda by widening the regional income gap. The Tory leadership front runner presented her plan as a “war on Whitehall waste” that would also see civil service holiday entitlements slashed. Liz Truss might have a plan, but I doubt teachers, nurses, etc. and their unions want to follow that plan. Years ago, The Sun came up with the headline "Up yours Delors" about EU plans, they will need similar one aimed at Truss if she tries to implement these sort of policies. Metashrew will probably have an idea as to what it might be..... |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 9:18:44 GMT 1
What's even more worrying is that with Sunak nothing will change.
With Truss everything will change. Those devisive policies will unleash a backlash to rival Thatcher's poll tax riots.
Such hyperbolic nonsense If Truss really does try to implement her nonsence policies we will see, won't we
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Post by kp on Aug 2, 2022 12:35:25 GMT 1
Has either candidate been through the WEF leadership programme does anyone know?
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Post by northwestman on Aug 2, 2022 12:45:34 GMT 1
Dominic Cummings has described Truss as “about as close to properly crackers as anybody I’ve met in parliament”. This, however, is unfair. There are quite a few in parliament who are even closer to being properly crackers than Truss. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/truss-tory-leadership-sunak-cummings-b2127589.htmlThere have been claims by Mordant’s allies that votes were lent to Truss because Sunak preferred the idea of facing her in the run-off. Tory MP Gavin Williamson – asked by reporters if he had helped “lend” votes to others – said: “I don’t know what you’re talking about.”  |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 13:05:30 GMT 1
Sir Gavin has an awful lot to do if he's going to deliver a Sunak win.
Perhaps the not so noble Knight has been a bit too clever this time.
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Post by MetaShrew on Aug 2, 2022 13:06:50 GMT 1
Has either candidate been through the WEF leadership programme does anyone know? The Tories only offer candidates from the WTF? school of leadership. |
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 2, 2022 13:30:13 GMT 1
I see Truss has backtracked now. I dread the thought of her being PM if all she can do is come up with policies destined to divide the country even more and then backtrack a few hours later.
Give me strength to carry on someone please.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 14:16:41 GMT 1
I see Truss has backtracked now. I dread the thought of her being PM if all she can do is come up with policies destined to divide the country even more and then backtrack a few hours later. Give me strength to carry on someone please. Do we really want a PM who even thinks this way?
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 2, 2022 15:13:01 GMT 1
No not at all. As I say I despair for the future.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 2, 2022 16:05:04 GMT 1
I see Truss has backtracked now. I dread the thought of her being PM if all she can do is come up with policies destined to divide the country even more and then backtrack a few hours later. Give me strength to carry on someone please. She's operating straight from the Boris Johnson playbook then! www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-62390016 |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 2, 2022 16:36:35 GMT 1
I'll certainly be more than happy with this latest pledge by Truss. But I suspect she's going to get severe stick for yet another uncosted policy, with maybe yet another U turn in the offing. The woman is all over the place as far as the economy is concerned and is a completely loose cannon.
Liz Truss will uphold the state pension triple-lock in a spending commitment that will cost taxpayers £21bn over three years.
The Tory leadership contender will honour the Conservative 2019 manifesto commitment as Prime Minister, the Telegraph understands.
Rival candidate and former Chancellor Rishi Sunak suspended the pledge in a move that left pensioners with a 3.1pc pay rise while inflation rocketed to more than 9pc.
The lock – a key Conservative Party policy – ensures that state pensions rise by the highest of inflation, wage growth or 2.5pc each year.
But the Treasury broke the promise last year after the pandemic distorted the wage growth figure to more than 8pc. The Government has said that it will reinstate the policy next April.
The commitment to restore and protect the triple-lock in a period of high inflation will cost taxpayers an extra £21bn until the next general election, calculations by broker Interactive Investor show.
If inflation follows Bank of England forecasts, pensioners would receive increases of 10pc next year and 6pc the year after, before inflation settles to 2pc in 2024.
Next year's triple-lock rise would cost taxpayers £865 per pensioner, Interactive Investor said. With 12.4 million retirees in the UK, this would total around £10.7bn.
Helen Morrissey, of the investment service Hargreaves Lansdown, said that it was an expensive policy to pursue when inflation was so high.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 2, 2022 17:06:13 GMT 1
I'll certainly be more than happy with this latest pledge by Truss. But I suspect she's going to get severe stick for yet another uncosted policy, with maybe yet another U turn in the offing. The woman is all over the place as far as the economy is concerned and is a completely loose cannon. Liz Truss will uphold the state pension triple-lock in a spending commitment that will cost taxpayers £21bn over three years. The Tory leadership contender will honour the Conservative 2019 manifesto commitment as Prime Minister, the Telegraph understands. Rival candidate and former Chancellor Rishi Sunak suspended the pledge in a move that left pensioners with a 3.1pc pay rise while inflation rocketed to more than 9pc. The lock – a key Conservative Party policy – ensures that state pensions rise by the highest of inflation, wage growth or 2.5pc each year. But the Treasury broke the promise last year after the pandemic distorted the wage growth figure to more than 8pc. The Government has said that it will reinstate the policy next April. The commitment to restore and protect the triple-lock in a period of high inflation will cost taxpayers an extra £21bn until the next general election, calculations by broker Interactive Investor show. If inflation follows Bank of England forecasts, pensioners would receive increases of 10pc next year and 6pc the year after, before inflation settles to 2pc in 2024. Next year's triple-lock rise would cost taxpayers £865 per pensioner, Interactive Investor said. With 12.4 million retirees in the UK, this would total around £10.7bn. Helen Morrissey, of the investment service Hargreaves Lansdown, said that it was an expensive policy to pursue when inflation was so high. Daily Telegraph. But pursue it they must if they want the pensioner vote. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 3, 2022 10:43:09 GMT 1
There have been calls for Sunak to withdraw from the contest and crown Truss because she is so far ahead. Damn cheek, the member's vote has already been hamstrung by only allowing two to be on the member's ballot paper, now some want to take away the member's right to a vote altogether.
Some might want the process stopped now as Truss is always one step away from shooting herself in the foot. Yesterday she showed us all that the lady is for U turning when she had to backtrack on her public sector pay proposals. She has a whole heap of policies that may be shown not to be viable during the member's vote.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2022 11:24:26 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/03/spiralling-inflation-crops-left-in-the-field-and-travel-chaos-10-reasons-brexit-has-been-disastrous-for-britain'When British politicians talk about Brexit and its consequences, they tend to adopt rictus grins and assure us that, by some miracle as yet unexplained, everything is going to be OK. The Labour leader Keir Starmer, who only a few years ago was a passionate advocate of a second referendum on our exit from the EU, now has a five-point plan to “make Brexit work”. Meanwhile, as the Tory leadership contest grinds on, both the candidates are at pains to claim that life outside the EU is going wonderfully well, or soon will do'. So here's a lengthy article which goes into some depth as to some of the downsides of Brexit. But you won't hear either Sunak or Truss doing anything other than feeding Brexit red meat to the overwhelmingly Brexit supporting Membership.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 3, 2022 11:40:14 GMT 1
Of course the EU was not so great. But always better to stay and fight, rather than picking up the toys and leaving. Britain and the EU are worse without us.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2022 11:50:57 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/aug/03/boris-johnson-liz-truss-tory-membersSunak performs in the earnest managerial style of a minister holding a line in a broadcast interview. Truss’s vibe is an opposition MP holding forth at a party conference fringe event. The foreign secretary doesn’t even pretend to be in the business of serious government, which, to be fair, she isn’t. She is playing by Boris Johnson’s rules in a game that was never won with seriousness. According to that playbook, a leader can announce a half-baked policy one day and, on meeting with a backlash, rescind it the day after. On Monday, Truss proposed a “war on Whitehall waste”. Then Tory MPs who read the small print complained that the proposal meant docking the wages of teachers and nurses outside London. By Tuesday, Truss was denying she had ever had such a policy. Johnsonism is the technique of saying things to woo one audience without caring how they will be heard farther afield. It is hard to get any other perspective when the mechanism for choosing a prime minister is a competition to satisfy the ideological fetishes of Conservative activists. It is harder still when the failings of the outgoing leader – estrangement from competence; allergy to truth – are forgotten so quickly that the favourite to succeed him is the one who mourns his departure. Truss seems to think Britain has been badly ruled for as long as anyone can remember, but also that Johnson has been a fine prime minister; maybe not beyond reproach, but not to be reproached by her.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 3, 2022 14:30:37 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2022 15:36:48 GMT 1
The lengths that the real Editor of the Daily Mail, Paul Dacre, backed up by his apparatchik Ted Verity will go to to ensure he's on Johnson's resignation list. Hans Christian Anderson or the Brothers Grimm could have written this editorial. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11074717/COMMENT-Liz-boldness-vision-strength-conviction-build-Boris-began.html'Tragically brief though his term in Downing Street has been, on every issue that truly mattered he made the right calls at the right time. The Mail fervently believes the current Tory leadership race is a contest that simply should not be happening. There ought to be no vacancy at the top. We are confident Mr Johnson could have recovered from the wildly disproportionate hate campaign mounted against him over a confection of relatively trivial matters and gone on to win another election'. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2022 16:09:02 GMT 1
Which do you reckon is the bigger problem facing the country right now? Is it:
A) People failing to turn up for a GP appointment?
B) People being unable to get a GP appointment in the first place?
Most readers would plump for B, I’m sure, so why on earth does Rishi Sunak say that, if elected leader, he plans to introduce a temporary £10 charge for patients who “fail to attend an NHS appointment without providing notice”? Has Mr Sunak recently attempted to contact a GP surgery to give notice that he is cancelling an appointment? Has he ever joined the 7.59am Queue of Doom, calling the surgery, only to be told by a recorded voice at 8.01am, “You are 27th in the queue”?
I don’t know why I’m bothering to ask. We know for a fact that Rishi Sunak has no clue what he is talking about when there are millions so desperate that they would actually pay £10 (or £50, come to that) just to get a sniff of a GP appointment. Yet the former chancellor says he intends to penalise people for failing to attend the one they are unable to make. What a vote-winner!
Even if fines were introduced, how would that be made to work? We can hazard a guess. Faster than the NHS can burp down the extra £10 billion raised by a 1.25 percentage point increase in National Insurance, a new tier of managers would spring up to be put in charge of assessing and administering fines. Shortly after, a raft of Diversity and Inclusion managers would be recruited to check that ethnic minorities and the disabled were not being disproportionately discriminated against by the new fines. Within weeks, you would have created a fantastic and costly new fiefdom for NHS managers. And no extra appointments for patients.
Primary care is now so inaccessible that a staggering 40 per cent of cancers are being picked up in A&E. Many of those will, tragically, be late-stage. People, who could well have been cured if caught in time, are receiving a death sentence. You would hope that any putative prime minister might be quite upset by that, especially if he had broken a manifesto commitment in order to bung the NHS a few extra billion.
Allison Pearson - Daily Telegraph.
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Post by northwestman on Aug 3, 2022 17:06:51 GMT 1
Fair comment on Truss.
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Post by ssshrew on Aug 3, 2022 18:34:33 GMT 1
I’m nit sure if either of them know where they are at the moment. According to the BBC they’ve been answering questions in Wales today. Ludlow actually!
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 4, 2022 0:21:22 GMT 1
What's even more worrying is that with Sunak nothing will change.
With Truss everything will change. Those devisive policies will unleash a backlash to rival Thatcher's poll tax riots.
Such hyperbolic nonsense Fortunately, this time, Liz realised her proposed policy was hyperbolic nonsense and U turned But what might she do if she gets in? The women is barmy, a genuine grade A fruit cake.
It's understandable though, you either have to be barking mad, full of your own sense of self-righteous superiority or have an inflated sense of your own importance and a deep need for attention and admiration (Liz might actually be all three!) to do a job that puts your entire life on the public stage for less pay than the chairman of a water board.
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 4, 2022 0:29:26 GMT 1
I’m nit sure if either of them know where they are at the moment. According to the BBC they’ve been answering questions in Wales today. Ludlow actually! They did " do" Cardiff too. Suppose it was actually Wales - and the Marches. |
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Post by northwestman on Aug 4, 2022 9:06:15 GMT 1
Such hyperbolic nonsense Fortunately, this time, Liz realised her proposed policy was hyperbolic nonsense and U turned But what might she do if she gets in? The women is barmy, a genuine grade A fruit cake.
It's understandable though, you either have to be barking mad, full of your own sense of self-righteous superiority or have an inflated sense of your own importance and a deep need for attention and admiration (Liz might actually be all three!) to do a job that puts your entire life on the public stage for less pay than the chairman of a water board.
Ah, but look at the millions that ex PMs like Blair and now Johnson will make after leaving office. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Aug 4, 2022 9:33:23 GMT 1
Fortunately, this time, Liz realised her proposed policy was hyperbolic nonsense and U turned But what might she do if she gets in? The women is barmy, a genuine grade A fruit cake.
It's understandable though, you either have to be barking mad, full of your own sense of self-righteous superiority or have an inflated sense of your own importance and a deep need for attention and admiration (Liz might actually be all three!) to do a job that puts your entire life on the public stage for less pay than the chairman of a water board.
Ah, but look at the millions that ex PMs like Blair and now Johnson will make after leaving office. What can an old Johnson do? His CVs pretty limp. His potentcy waning. He had so many half-cocked ideas, now his advances to be PM for another ten years have been spurned and he's left feeling a little down. |
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