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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 24, 2022 15:35:24 GMT 1
A do I, looks awful down there and I wouldn't want to be stuck in that with the kids.  When you say Dover boss though, who do you mean? As the the chief executive of the Port stated this... "Whilst Brexit has impacted the transaction times at the border, yesterday’s events weren’t caused by Brexit.” Although he may have said something more in the meantime of course. From what you read I gather Brexit means the checks take longer so to negate (to some degree at least) the impact of that they increased the capacity (from 6 lanes to 12) but at some point only the 6 lanes were staffed and open and hence the backlog. Seems they are fully staffed now so hopefully things will start moving again. And hopefully it will remain fully staffed throughout the summer. "Port of Dover boss Doug Bannister has told LBC that it's "absolutely true" that Brexit is ultimately to blame for the extreme delays at the port of Dover because passports require extra checks." Thanks for the link. Thought Bannister come across well. I think LBC would give the Mail a run for their money looking to that headline.  |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 24, 2022 16:01:35 GMT 1
There are already stirrings of a revolt among the members. By Saturday night, 9,150 Conservative members had signed a petition organised by Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, former Party treasurer, and David Campbell-Bannerman, former Tory MEP, demanding a say over his future.
The members want a second ballot to confirm MPs' decision to force his resignation, to run concurrently with the official leadership ballot between Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak.
If the Cruddas campaign were to succeed, and Johnson was to win a second ballot of members - well, all bets are off.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 16:01:36 GMT 1
Sunak and Truss: One takes away more of or money in taxes, the other wants to immediately give us back a little of our money; why couldn't we have had a, perhaps more Conservative, approach of hands off, steady as you go, on taxes? One reacts, eventually, to events, the other says she will wade straight in, burning EU laws, until she realises if you want to visit, work with. sell to, or buy from the EU, you will have to stick to their rules. One has some ideas about NHS improvements, but, as a very rich man, does he have any idea of how the NHS works? A gruesome twosome, goodness knows what the wider electorate will make of the eventual winner the Conservative membership present us with. a dig at Sunak and Truss, what a damn coincidence one is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership and the other is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership if only they have lost you'd be moaning about 2 other people |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 16:02:54 GMT 1
No boris to moan at No PM debates to debate yet no clear contender to pick on yet I know, drag brexit back up  I mean, **** me if anyone has seen the queues at Shelton road, Welshpool road area this week, or the sudden unannounced, unsigned closure of Roman Road last week they wouldn't be on here moaning at something that doesn't even bother them  Same here. They've closed the main Ellesmere to Whittington road all week as from tomorrow so that Kier can do a patchwork job with their new machine which I'm sure will look dreadful and probably won't last the winter in some places. The only decent road surfacing round here has been at Whittington itself, where the local councillor is in charge of the roads in Shropshire. Co-incidental I'm sure. I had to sleep in my van overnight on Friday waiting for the lights to change on Copthorne road |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2022 16:18:03 GMT 1
Sunak and Truss: One takes away more of or money in taxes, the other wants to immediately give us back a little of our money; why couldn't we have had a, perhaps more Conservative, approach of hands off, steady as you go, on taxes? One reacts, eventually, to events, the other says she will wade straight in, burning EU laws, until she realises if you want to visit, work with. sell to, or buy from the EU, you will have to stick to their rules. One has some ideas about NHS improvements, but, as a very rich man, does he have any idea of how the NHS works? A gruesome twosome, goodness knows what the wider electorate will make of the eventual winner the Conservative membership present us with. a dig at Sunak and Truss, what a damn coincidence one is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership and the other is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership if only they have lost you'd be moaning about 2 other people My choices, as stated in earlier posts, were Nadim Zarhawi, then, when he was dropped, Penny Mordaunt. Neither of whom I would have reason to moan about. Sunak and Truss? Come on now, haven't you seen enough of them in the last couple of years to realise how bad either of them would be? |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 18:21:42 GMT 1
a dig at Sunak and Truss, what a damn coincidence one is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership and the other is in the final 2 contending the tory leadership if only they have lost you'd be moaning about 2 other people My choices, as stated in earlier posts, were Nadim Zarhawi, then, when he was dropped, Penny Zarhawi. Neither of whom I would have reason to moan about. Sunak and Truss? Come on now, haven't you seen enough of them in the last couple of years to realise how bad either of them would be? you're not fooling me Twitter also has plenty of expert voices willing to share their experiences. and conversations with business Whatever happens with Brexit negotiations from now on, is going to be down to what Bojo and his crew decide. What if they are, maybe........just not up to the job I give you..................Liz Truss !!!You can keep her! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 19:07:36 GMT 1
Pilch, do you have an opinion on the pros and cons of the candidates, or an opinion on who would be best?👍
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 19:23:35 GMT 1
Pilch, do you have an opinion on the pros and cons of the candidates, or an opinion on who would be best?👍 does starmer ever tell us what his plans are ? I've not looked into it at all yet, nothing I can do or say will change things, there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this however in the little I know super richy isnt going to attack the super rich is he no idea what she's like, but I don't like the look of sunak so she wins by default its in liz we trussed, oven ready PM  |
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 24, 2022 19:42:08 GMT 1
Something in the middle of the two of them might have been half decent, but Mordaunt was Hounded out of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 20:48:52 GMT 1
there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this As the voting is only open to MPs and tory party members, I’m hazarding a guess it will only be tory voters voting? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2022 21:07:07 GMT 1
My choices, as stated in earlier posts, were Nadim Zarhawi, then, when he was dropped, Penny Zarhawi. Neither of whom I would have reason to moan about. Sunak and Truss? Come on now, haven't you seen enough of them in the last couple of years to realise how bad either of them would be? you're not fooling me There we are then. Nadim Zahawi is a fixer - he's the one I give any credit to for his input into vaccine rollout.
The headline was the newspapers, I am not averse to someone having business " difficulties" in the past, provided they learn from them.. He's a staighter bat than Bojo anyway, has built up businesses, could probably run a country.
Liz Truss is and, and always has been, a dead loss.
What do you think?
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 21:13:42 GMT 1
there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this As the voting is only open to MPs and tory party members, I’m hazarding a guess it will only be tory voters voting? yes but there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 21:38:10 GMT 1
As the voting is only open to MPs and tory party members, I’m hazarding a guess it will only be tory voters voting? yes but there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this So people who joined the tory party since the last election shouldn’t be allowed to decide who should be the next leader? Why?? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2022 21:40:56 GMT 1
Sunak saying what he thinks those members with their lovely votes want to hear on immigration.
I assume Zahawi would have been more open to immigration since he said of his family fleeing Iraq: “What Britain gave my family was freedom and opportunity, so when we as Conservatives talk about those words, to my family they weren’t just words, they changed our whole life.”
All by the by now, Conservative MPs wasted there chance to have a fresher candidate in the mix, either Penny or Nadim - preferably both.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2022 21:45:22 GMT 1
yes but there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this So people who joined the tory party since the last election shouldn’t be allowed to decide who should be the next leader? Why?? Because anyone who joined since the last election is a supporter of a corrupt government? Voters at the last election didn't know what they were going to get because they believed Boris.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 24, 2022 21:48:31 GMT 1
As the voting is only open to MPs and tory party members, I’m hazarding a guess it will only be tory voters voting? yes but there should be a system where only those who voted tory in the last election can vote in this Yeah, there might be a small wrinkle with that plan. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2022 22:03:19 GMT 1
So people who joined the tory party since the last election shouldn’t be allowed to decide who should be the next leader? Why?? Because anyone who joined since the last election is a supporter of a corrupt government? Voters at the last election didn't know what they were going to get because they believed Boris.
How about allowing anyone who has ditched the party since the last election to vote, as they have principles? Ahh gotcha. So surely it follows then that anyone who was a member of the aforementioned corrupt government shouldn’t be able to stand for leader? I would absolutely support that. How either of them can stand up and criticise this or that or say this or that was wrong after they voted to support it time and again is abject hypocrisy. |
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Post by Pilch on Jul 24, 2022 22:23:21 GMT 1
if the gov was corrupt wouldn't they would have found boris in the woods on Harrowdown Hill by now with his wrists cut ?
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 24, 2022 22:44:31 GMT 1
if the gov was corrupt wouldn't they would have found boris in the woods on Harrowdown Hill by now with his wrists cut ? Forget about it, you don't take out the Godfather. As we can see now, where would the mob be without him? The dreadful Truss, or Sunak, that's where! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2022 7:09:58 GMT 1
Happy now pilch?
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Post by shrewder on Jul 25, 2022 9:02:30 GMT 1
I dream of the day when we have a prime minister who is not on his or hers own ego trip and is just getting on with the job. Little chance I know.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 25, 2022 9:33:32 GMT 1
When he’s feeling a bit left out my ten year old son has this irritating habit of getting himself involved in conversations he clearly knows nothing about or actually has no interest in at all by saying really silly things that have nothing to do with the discussion taking place, purely to get some attention. He then gets all upset and claims we are picking on him when someone turns round and has a go at him. He is only ten though. Very sorry, will try not to do it in future.
In fairness though, I'm only 11.......
Perhaps I should act my age, not my shoe size.
Meanwhile, I have found at least one minister who must be considered indispensable, he's the longest serving too: Guy Opperman has been reappointed as pensions minister a day after he quit in protest over prime minister Boris Johnson’s leadership.
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Post by kenwood on Jul 25, 2022 9:41:15 GMT 1
I would ban anyone who has been educated at any independent school such as Eton , Harrow , etc from holding the office of PM , or perhaps from even being in the cabinet of a ruling party .
No, I’d go even further and ban them from becoming MP’s
Why? because they are socially inept and have absolutely no compassion or empathy with the electorate , except of course those of similar ilk who basically couldn’t give a monkeys toss about those occupying the lower strata’s of society .
Just think, we wouldn’t have had to survive Cameron, Osborne or the blond ball bag Johnson.
There , problem sorted .
Next!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 25, 2022 9:48:55 GMT 1
I would ban anyone who has been educated at any independent school such as Eton , Harrow , etc from holding the office of PM , or perhaps from even being in the cabinet of a ruling party . No, I’d go even further and ban them from becoming MP’s Why? because they are socially inept and have absolutely no compassion or empathy with the electorate , except of course those of similar ilk who basically couldn’t give a monkeys toss about those occupying the lower strata’s of society . Just think, we wouldn’t have had to survive Cameron, Osborne or the blond ball bag Johnson. There , problem sorted . Next! Need to keep those massive pay rates for running an outfit that virtually runs itself down too. Who, except a power crazed egocentric self entitled buffoon, would want to be PM when there's jobs with massive remuneration running a water company? |
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Post by MetaShrew on Jul 25, 2022 15:25:06 GMT 1
One almost wants Sunak to get his comeuppance for the manoeuvring that has led to him facing his 'preferred' opponent. But if he gets his comeuppance, then by implication Truss is our PM.
Whoever wins, we lose!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 25, 2022 16:13:52 GMT 1
Boris Johnson could serve in a Liz Truss Cabinet, a minister and close ally of the Tory leadership contender has indicated.
James Cleverly, the Education Secretary, said Mr Johnson was an “incredibly talented politician” and did not rule out the possibility of him making a return to the front bench.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 25, 2022 17:07:45 GMT 1
Boris Johnson could serve in a Liz Truss Cabinet, a minister and close ally of the Tory leadership contender has indicated. James Cleverly, the Education Secretary, said Mr Johnson was an “incredibly talented politician” and did not rule out the possibility of him making a return to the front bench. Daily Telegraph. does not say much about there morality that they are even considering this |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 25, 2022 22:10:50 GMT 1
Watched the tv battle between Truss and Sunak .
In my opinion Sophie Rayworth should have done more to control Sunak , he was allowed to almost bully Truss .
Very poor show in my opinion .
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 25, 2022 22:19:12 GMT 1
Sunak didn’t do himself any favours with his interruptions early on. More impressed with Truss than expected, but still dislike her and distrust her.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 26, 2022 9:51:35 GMT 1
Have either candidate pledged anything on fuel poverty, extra money for insulation, major renewable energy infrastructure projects, extra grants for solar panels on your roof or anything yet? Surely energy, and it's cost, is our most pressing problem?
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