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Post by martinshrew on Jul 21, 2022 16:51:56 GMT 1
You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocentđ Â Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? There is also the small matter of the seriously inadequate investigation into Partygate by the Met, which is the subject of judicial review. The Met are inadequate and have been for decades. |
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Post by servernaside on Jul 21, 2022 17:10:25 GMT 1
Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocentđ Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? Could well have, or perhaps it's just a case of 'one law for one and another law for someone else. Either way it stinks. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 21, 2022 17:31:30 GMT 1
You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocentđ Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? Could well have, or perhaps it's just a case of 'one law for one and another law for someone else. Either way it stinks. You honestly think that the Met's investigation into Partygate wasn't seriously flawed then? |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 21, 2022 18:05:46 GMT 1
You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocentđ Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? Could well have, or perhaps it's just a case of 'one law for one and another law for someone else. Either way it stinks. It doesn't stink at all, except of roses. It's as simple as a lawyer checking the intricate details of the law prior to eating and drinking versus a cavalier charlaton chancer.
Bearing in mind the LibDem imprisoned for putting his wife's name up for his speeding offence a few years ago, the last thing either of them, in fact any sane person, would do is to even consider any attempt to pervert the course of justice over a 50 quid fine.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2022 9:26:19 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11038625/Boris-Johnson-supporters-plot-protests-Tory-leadership-hustings-demanding-STAY-power.htmlAllies of Boris Johnson are threatening to picket Tory leadership hustings with a 'battle bus' as part of a campaign designed to keep him in No10. Lord Cruddas, the billionaire party donor, is leading a push for Conservative members to be allowed to decide whether he steps down. It comes despite Mr Johnson stepping down earlier this month amid a mutiny by ministers following months of sleaze. More than 6,000 Tories have signed a petition demanding a say over whether he actually leaves Downing Street as planned in September. And others are threatening to spoil their ballot papers or 'write in' Mr Johnson's name as a different sort of protest. Cruddas last night said that protests could greet Liz Truss and Rishi Sunak as they take part in a tour of 12 hustings in locations across the UK.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 22, 2022 9:46:07 GMT 1
We really are in trouble. Some Conservative members want Boris back, some are against Sunak because he finally ousted Boris. Which leaves us with: Liz Truss.
Liz is busy telling everyone what they want to hear. Sunak reacting, as usual rather than actually leading, now having to think about actually giving us some of our money back. Boris reckons he'll be back sometime.
The selection process, with Tory MPs giving members just two duds to choose from is looking very unfit for purpose - it hasn't allowed anyone fresh and exciting through for members to vote for. Unfortunately we are all going to suffer because one of these two makeweights is going to be our PM.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 22, 2022 10:18:45 GMT 1
What a truly awful bunch they are for sure. Boris has gone (nearly) thank goodness so just get over it. The thought that there are people who want him to stay just says all that is wrong with us at the moment.
While neither of the selected two are who I would have liked at least it shows the system, good or bad, is in working order.
Youâd think these billionaires would have better things to spend their money on.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 22, 2022 10:42:20 GMT 1
What a truly awful bunch they are for sure. Boris has gone (nearly) thank goodness so just get over it. The thought that there are people who want him to stay just says all that is wrong with us at the moment. While neither of the selected two are who I would have liked at least it shows the system, good or bad, is in working order. Youâd think these billionaires would have better things to spend their money on. But does it? The votes of the M.Ps were more or less a 3 way split between Sunak, Truss and Mordaunt, and yet the Membership are only allowed to vote for two of them. And though I'm clearly no supporter of Johnson, Cruddas does have a point. M.Ps and Members voted Johnson in under the present system, so surely both should be given the chance to vote him out? And the dark arts employed to remove Gove from the ballot in 2019, leaving Johnson against the ineffective Hunt, suggests to me that this is as bad a system as the appalling one introduced by Ed Milliband for the Labour Party, where one Member one vote resulted in the election of Corbyn as leader of the party. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 22, 2022 10:43:11 GMT 1
People want Boris to stay, same as people want Trump in America, because another rousing successor hasn't surfaced yet with the ability to capture the party members feelings.
As for the selection process? In a by-election or General Election, all sorts of candidates can stand and seek votes from the electorate. In the Tory leadership process, for some reason, it's deemed better that Tory MPs filter out the fringe candidates. Why?
Billionaires spending their money wisely? How about buying a football club or even a little bit of philanthropy?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2022 10:48:07 GMT 1
One things for sure, I would have definitely liked to have had more than just 2 candidates presented to me in the membership ballot. I wanted to vote for Penny Mordaunt but sadly I've not been given the choice.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 22, 2022 11:16:12 GMT 1
The thing is that these people are trying to buck a system they allowed to be put in place whether itâs a good one or a bad one itâs the one the Tory Party use.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 22, 2022 14:23:12 GMT 1
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 22, 2022 14:31:19 GMT 1
Imagine how different results would be were it flipped round and the party members got it down to the last two which the MPs could choose from.
Neither of these wouldâve got close.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 22, 2022 20:24:05 GMT 1
Imagine how different results would be were it flipped round and the party members got it down to the last two which the MPs could choose from. Neither of these wouldâve got close. Kemi Badenoch would have got a clear majority, when members were canvassed she was miles in front. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 22, 2022 20:29:10 GMT 1
i laughed when i watched this ,clearly Liz ignored the phrase never work with children or animals. was this genuine comments from children or were primed by parents or somone else ? either way Liz was probaly thinking "i will kill the advisor who thought this was a good idea " |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 22, 2022 20:32:30 GMT 1
i dont lkie Liz Truss or Rishi Sunak neither have impressed me when they were in the cabinet and when i heard Jermey Hunt is a supporter of Rishi Sunak that put me off him even more .
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2022 9:50:36 GMT 1
I get the impression Liz Truss will shoot herself in the foot during this campaign. She's already talking about a bonfire of EU rules at the same time as queues build up to get through French immigration at Dover, something we just walked through when in the EU.
She can burn all the EU rules she likes, but if we want to go there, trade with them, work with them, then not only will we still have to follow EU rules, they will also be tighter because we are not a member. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 23, 2022 10:08:02 GMT 1
I get the impression Liz Truss will shoot herself in the foot during this campaign. She's already talking about a bonfire of EU rules at the same time as queues build up to get through French immigration at Dover, something we just walked through when in the EU.
She can burn all the EU rules she likes, but if we want to go there, trade with them, work with them, then not only will we still have to follow EU rules, they will also be tighter because we are not a member. Seeing that loon Patrick Minford endorsing Truss's economic policy yesterday and suggesting base rates of 3% might be a good "new normal" was interesting. I actually don't disagree that rates need to go back up but I'm not sure how popular that will be with Tory party members given its likely short term impact on the property market and the economy in general. Truss' likely tax plans will essentially see borrowing costs have to rise dramatically to offset the inflationary effects of reversing Sunak's tax rises which is going to lead to a house price crash and a lot of companies and individuals going bust in the short term. Great news for Labour I suppose and if you're in stable employment with a fixed rate mortgage and low or no unsecured debt. I think Sunak's plans are more likely to actually get inflation under control without causing a cataclysm and will probably win him an election in 2024 if he's able to start handing the money back pre election. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2022 10:35:55 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2022 10:51:07 GMT 1
The newspapers can say what they like about both Sunak and Truss. Fact is only Conservative members have a say and they only have a say between two rubbish candidates foisted upon them by Tory MPs.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 23, 2022 10:52:25 GMT 1
I get the impression Liz Truss will shoot herself in the foot during this campaign. She's already talking about a bonfire of EU rules at the same time as queues build up to get through French immigration at Dover, something we just walked through when in the EU.
She can burn all the EU rules she likes, but if we want to go there, trade with them, work with them, then not only will we still have to follow EU rules, they will also be tighter because we are not a member. yes we do need to stop throwing the dummy out of the pram with the EU but equally the EU have not be averse to the odd threat Macron threatening to cut of electricity to jersey and 3 million uk homes if french fisherman did not get more licences to fish in the uk. the whole moutain of paperwork to get through customes needs to be simplified, i thought hte problems at dover were caused by french officals not turning up in calais . |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jul 23, 2022 11:03:33 GMT 1
French customs officials are based at Dover in the outbound lanes inbound at Calais. UK are outbound at Calais inbound Dover. This has been the procedure since the UK left the EU in 2020.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2022 11:14:50 GMT 1
Boris Johnson privately believes he will be back in office next year, despite announcing his resignation after MPs rose up against his leadership two weeks ago.
Tim Montgomerie, a former aide to Mr Johnson who has since been critical of him, said he had been told by sources close to the Prime Minister that he was convinced he would be back.
In a well-sourced post on social media, Mr Montgomerie wrote: âBoris is telling aides that heâll be PM again within a year.â
Mr Johnson told MPs at his final Prime Ministerâs Questions earlier this week: âHasta la vista, babyâ and said it was âmission largely accomplished â for nowâ.
It comes as a row broke out among senior Conservatives about a campaign among party members to allow them a vote on whether Mr Johnson should continue as Prime Minister.
By Friday night, 7,600 members â all of whom have given their membership numbers â had signed a petition calling for the vote.
Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the former party treasurer who organised the petition, said âseveral MPsâ had started to âmake noisesâ about supporting his campaign.
Daily Telegraph.
Fabricant and Dorries are on record as being supportive. Says it all!
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2022 11:15:27 GMT 1
I get the impression Liz Truss will shoot herself in the foot during this campaign. She's already talking about a bonfire of EU rules at the same time as queues build up to get through French immigration at Dover, something we just walked through when in the EU.
She can burn all the EU rules she likes, but if we want to go there, trade with them, work with them, then not only will we still have to follow EU rules, they will also be tighter because we are not a member. yes we do need to stop throwing the dummy out of the pram with the EU but equally the EU have not be averse to the odd threat Macron threatening to cut of electricity to jersey and 3 million uk homes if french fisherman did not get more licences to fish in the uk. the whole moutain of paperwork to get through customes needs to be simplified, i thought hte problems at dover were caused by french officals not turning up in calais . My understanding is that French officials work in Dover so that once the other side of them you are basically "in France", that's why France tried to blame Euro tunnel hold ups of their officials. In the same way, our checks are completed in Calais for those coming to Britain. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2022 11:20:18 GMT 1
Boris Johnson privately believes he will be back in office next year, despite announcing his resignation after MPs rose up against his leadership two weeks ago. Tim Montgomerie, a former aide to Mr Johnson who has since been critical of him, said he had been told by sources close to the Prime Minister that he was convinced he would be back. In a well-sourced post on social media, Mr Montgomerie wrote: âBoris is telling aides that heâll be PM again within a year.â Mr Johnson told MPs at his final Prime Ministerâs Questions earlier this week: âHasta la vista, babyâ and said it was âmission largely accomplished â for nowâ. It comes as a row broke out among senior Conservatives about a campaign among party members to allow them a vote on whether Mr Johnson should continue as Prime Minister. By Friday night, 7,600 members â all of whom have given their membership numbers â had signed a petition calling for the vote. Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the former party treasurer who organised the petition, said âseveral MPsâ had started to âmake noisesâ about supporting his campaign. Daily Telegraph. Fabricant and Dorries are on record as being supportive. Says it all! That would explain support for Truss - she gets the job, fouls it up, Boris is welcomed back. A cunning plan, so cunning it could work even if the hapless Sunak gets the job. |
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Post by cabanas2017 on Jul 23, 2022 11:26:41 GMT 1
yes we do need to stop throwing the dummy out of the pram with the EU but equally the EU have not be averse to the odd threat Macron threatening to cut of electricity to jersey and 3 million uk homes if french fisherman did not get more licences to fish in the uk. the whole moutain of paperwork to get through customes needs to be simplified, i thought hte problems at dover were caused by french officals not turning up in calais . My understanding is that French officials work in Dover so that once the other side of them you are basically "in France", that's why France tried to blame Euro tunnel hold ups of their officials. In the same way, our checks are completed in Calais for those coming to Britain. Correct it came into force when we left the EU |
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 23, 2022 11:34:46 GMT 1
I get the impression Liz Truss will shoot herself in the foot during this campaign. She's already talking about a bonfire of EU rules at the same time as queues build up to get through French immigration at Dover, something we just walked through when in the EU.
She can burn all the EU rules she likes, but if we want to go there, trade with them, work with them, then not only will we still have to follow EU rules, they will also be tighter because we are not a member. yes we do need to stop throwing the dummy out of the pram with the EU but equally the EU have not be averse to the odd threat Macron threatening to cut of electricity to jersey and 3 million uk homes if french fisherman did not get more licences to fish in the uk. the whole moutain of paperwork to get through customes needs to be simplified, i thought hte problems at dover were caused by french officals not turning up in calais . All very predictable with our oven ready brexit dealâŚ. Chaos at the ports and run away inflation (admittedly only partly due to Brexit).. If she rips up the Northern Ireland Protocol agreement things will only get worse. Whereâs Boris when you need him đ |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 23, 2022 11:37:17 GMT 1
Boris Johnson privately believes he will be back in office next year, despite announcing his resignation after MPs rose up against his leadership two weeks ago. Tim Montgomerie, a former aide to Mr Johnson who has since been critical of him, said he had been told by sources close to the Prime Minister that he was convinced he would be back. In a well-sourced post on social media, Mr Montgomerie wrote: âBoris is telling aides that heâll be PM again within a year.â Mr Johnson told MPs at his final Prime Ministerâs Questions earlier this week: âHasta la vista, babyâ and said it was âmission largely accomplished â for nowâ. It comes as a row broke out among senior Conservatives about a campaign among party members to allow them a vote on whether Mr Johnson should continue as Prime Minister. By Friday night, 7,600 members â all of whom have given their membership numbers â had signed a petition calling for the vote. Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the former party treasurer who organised the petition, said âseveral MPsâ had started to âmake noisesâ about supporting his campaign. Daily Telegraph. Fabricant and Dorries are on record as being supportive. Says it all! That would explain support for Truss - she gets the job, fouls it up, Boris is welcomed back. A cunning plan, so cunning it could work even if the hapless Sunak gets the job. Dominic Cummings is of roughly the same opinion. 'Why is Boris supporting the human hand grenade? Cos Boris knows she's mad & thinks she'll blow & he can make a comeback. Why did I give her this nickname? Cos she blows up all she touches'. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 23, 2022 11:40:42 GMT 1
That would explain support for Truss - she gets the job, fouls it up, Boris is welcomed back. A cunning plan, so cunning it could work even if the hapless Sunak gets the job. Dominic Cummings is of roughly the same opinion. 'Why is Boris supporting the human hand grenade? Cos Boris knows she's mad & thinks she'll blow & he can make a comeback. Why did I give her this nickname? Cos she blows up all she touches'. If I'm thinking like Cummings then I am going to seek medical advice.... |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jul 23, 2022 11:52:16 GMT 1
French customs officials are based at Dover in the outbound lanes inbound at Calais. UK are outbound at Calais inbound Dover. This has been the procedure since the UK left the EU in 2020. i see now the dover boss is now blaming brexit ,feel sorry the poor holidaymakers and lorry drivers |
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