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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 16:54:50 GMT 1
At least the DM have now got their preferred candidate in Truss after weeks of relentless negative articles on Mordaunt.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 20, 2022 16:55:45 GMT 1
At least the DM have now got their preferred candidate in Truss after weeks of relentless negative articles on Mordaunt. He hasn’t said it but she’s clearly the Johnson candidate too. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 16:59:41 GMT 1
Comment from Dominic Cummings:
'Totally on-brand for ERG to back a truly useless Remainer who did nothing in govt except gabble with hacks cos she’s reassuringly mad behind the eyes'.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 17:01:57 GMT 1
Truss says she is ready to “hit the ground from day one”.
She means “hit the ground running”, obviously. Things that hit the ground include people who trip, boxers who get knocked down and planes that crash.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 20, 2022 17:19:11 GMT 1
As a Conservative member, I am extremely disappointed that Penny didn't make it into the final two. I might do what 2 Tory MPs did today, spoil my paper. As an aside, and picking up on the matter of the triple lock, I would not feel happy to receive an 11% increase come next April when my public sector (NHS) colleagues will only be receiving half of that. Very much agree with your final point, very sensible and balanced. Just to add I also agree with this point and would include all Public Service workers. I was just pointing out that not all pensioners are fortunate enough to be in this position. |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 17:23:33 GMT 1
Here's a sample as to present thought patterns within the Conservative Membership! Nothing surprises me nowadays.
'More than 2,000 Conservative members have written to the party’s chairman to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader.
The party members want Mr Johnson's name to be added to the ballot when 160,000 members vote for a new leader next month.
The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the Tory donor, and David Campbell Bannerman, a former Conservative Euro MP.
The petition is the first stage of a campaign by members to reinstate Mr Johnson, with further plans to pressure association chairmen to take action over his removal from the leadership'.
Daily Telegraph.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 20, 2022 17:27:06 GMT 1
Here's a sample as to present thought patterns within the Conservative Membership! Nothing surprises me nowadays. 'More than 2,000 Conservative members have written to the party’s chairman to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader. The party members want Mr Johnson's name to be added to the ballot when 160,000 members vote for a new leader next month. The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the Tory donor, and David Campbell Bannerman, a former Conservative Euro MP. The petition is the first stage of a campaign by members to reinstate Mr Johnson, with further plans to pressure association chairmen to take action over his removal from the leadership'. Daily Telegraph. For balance, that’s 1.25% of the Tory membership. |
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 20, 2022 17:27:25 GMT 1
Gawd what a bunch!
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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 17:36:37 GMT 1
More about Lord Cruddas:
Cruddas was appointed Conservative Party co-treasurer in June 2011 alongside Lord Fink, effectively the party's chief fund raiser.
In March 2012 it was alleged by The Sunday Times that he had offered access to the Prime Minister David Cameron, and the Chancellor George Osborne. The Sunday Times had secretly filmed Cruddas allegedly discussing what level of access different size donations led to: "£200,000 to £250,000 is Premier League – things will open up for you – you can ask him practically any question you want". Cruddas resigned the same day.
In March 2015, all three judges of an appeal court ruled that the central allegation of the Sunday Times's story – that Crudas had offered "cash for access" to potential donors – was supported by the evidence.
In 2020, Cruddas was nominated by the leader of the Conservative Party and Prime Minister Boris Johnson for a peerage. The House of Lords Appointments Commission advised that it could not support his nomination. Johnson nonetheless decided that the appointment should proceed, becoming the first ever prime minister to overrule the advice of the commission. (They weren't too keen on Lebedev either).
The Sunday Times reported that on 5 February 2021, a week after he received a peerage, Cruddas' donations to the Tories topped £3 million.
Wiki.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 17:50:28 GMT 1
Here's a sample as to present thought patterns within the Conservative Membership! Nothing surprises me nowadays. 'More than 2,000 Conservative members have written to the party’s chairman to demand a vote on whether Boris Johnson should carry on as leader. The party members want Mr Johnson's name to be added to the ballot when 160,000 members vote for a new leader next month. The members - all of whom have to give their membership numbers when they sign up - are backing a petition organised by Lord Cruddas of Shoreditch, the Tory donor, and David Campbell Bannerman, a former Conservative Euro MP. The petition is the first stage of a campaign by members to reinstate Mr Johnson, with further plans to pressure association chairmen to take action over his removal from the leadership'. Daily Telegraph. For balance, that’s 1.25% of the Tory membership. Thanks for sense checking. I certainly would not be adding my name to that petition. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2022 17:53:54 GMT 1
Comment from Dominic Cummings: 'Totally on-brand for ERG to back a truly useless Remainer who did nothing in govt except gabble with hacks cos she’s reassuringly mad behind the eyes'. Dominic Cummings, someone else who I am glad that we have got shot of. |
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Post by wookeywombat on Jul 20, 2022 18:07:07 GMT 1
So we are left with another Partygate lawbreaker and one of Johnson's main apologists.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 20, 2022 18:08:50 GMT 1
I actually get the reason that the two ducked out of the tv debate
it kind of sets them up to be those chosen in the head to head debate for the final 2
cheating or masterstroke ?
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Post by servernaside on Jul 20, 2022 18:11:52 GMT 1
There we are then. As I stated earlier in this thread, one or other of the political pygmies will have control.
Fortunately, staring back over the despatch box will be another lot of political pygmies.
What a depressing spectacle.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 20, 2022 18:27:19 GMT 1
The identity of Britain’s next prime minister remains in the balance but, with the contenders whittled down to the final two, one thing seems certain - the Tories are entering the “nastiest” leadership campaign in their history.
A combination of ingredients, including a disconnect between MPs and party members, a win or bust scenario for both contenders and personal animosity between them, have cooked up a noxious stew that will be brought to the boil over the next six weeks.
Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss may have called a temporary truce on Tuesday by pulling out of a scheduled television debate, but their supporters concede they are likely to spend the summer tearing lumps out of each other in 10 regional hustings events.
“It’s got nasty because the race is so tight,” said one supporter of Ms Truss. “There isn’t a clear favourite at this stage, so they are both convinced they can win.”
It will be a battle of ideology, policy and personality - with Mr Sunak, the prudent, centrist, polished public schoolboy against Ms Truss, the tax-cutting, Right-wing, robotic Yorkshire lass.
The two have already committed enough blue-on-blue attacks to last Labour through to the next election.
Mr Sunak has dismissed his opponent’s “something for nothing” tax-cutting as “fairytale” economics and attacked her past as a Remainer and a former Liberal Democrat. Ms Truss, who went to a comprehensive school, has attacked the former chancellor’s privileged education at Winchester College and accused him of leading the country into a recession.
Mr Sunak also has another formidable opponent - Boris Johnson. Number 10 will be doing everything it can behind the scenes to steer members towards loyalist “continuity Boris” candidate Ms Truss, rather than the man who triggered the Prime Minister’s downfall by resigning.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 20, 2022 19:27:47 GMT 1
Do Conservative members get a genuine say on the voting slip:
TRUSS Liz
SUNAK Rishi
NEITHER of the above.
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Post by martinshrew on Jul 20, 2022 19:33:36 GMT 1
The identity of Britain’s next prime minister remains in the balance but, with the contenders whittled down to the final two, one thing seems certain - the Tories are entering the “nastiest” leadership campaign in their history. A combination of ingredients, including a disconnect between MPs and party members, a win or bust scenario for both contenders and personal animosity between them, have cooked up a noxious stew that will be brought to the boil over the next six weeks. Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss may have called a temporary truce on Tuesday by pulling out of a scheduled television debate, but their supporters concede they are likely to spend the summer tearing lumps out of each other in 10 regional hustings events. “It’s got nasty because the race is so tight,” said one supporter of Ms Truss. “There isn’t a clear favourite at this stage, so they are both convinced they can win.” It will be a battle of ideology, policy and personality - with Mr Sunak, the prudent, centrist, polished public schoolboy against Ms Truss, the tax-cutting, Right-wing, robotic Yorkshire lass. The two have already committed enough blue-on-blue attacks to last Labour through to the next election. Mr Sunak has dismissed his opponent’s “something for nothing” tax-cutting as “fairytale” economics and attacked her past as a Remainer and a former Liberal Democrat. Ms Truss, who went to a comprehensive school, has attacked the former chancellor’s privileged education at Winchester College and accused him of leading the country into a recession. Mr Sunak also has another formidable opponent - Boris Johnson. Number 10 will be doing everything it can behind the scenes to steer members towards loyalist “continuity Boris” candidate Ms Truss, rather than the man who triggered the Prime Minister’s downfall by resigning. Daily Telegraph. This is like the nonsense peddled in primary schools on sports day about "taking part that counts" blah blah, it's not, it's about having a winning mentality. They're competing for the very top job in the country, I for one am glad it's robust and at times fiery, I'm not into all this pat on the back for taking part b******s. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 20, 2022 19:57:10 GMT 1
The identity of Britain’s next prime minister remains in the balance but, with the contenders whittled down to the final two, one thing seems certain - the Tories are entering the “nastiest” leadership campaign in their history. A combination of ingredients, including a disconnect between MPs and party members, a win or bust scenario for both contenders and personal animosity between them, have cooked up a noxious stew that will be brought to the boil over the next six weeks. Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss may have called a temporary truce on Tuesday by pulling out of a scheduled television debate, but their supporters concede they are likely to spend the summer tearing lumps out of each other in 10 regional hustings events. “It’s got nasty because the race is so tight,” said one supporter of Ms Truss. “There isn’t a clear favourite at this stage, so they are both convinced they can win.” It will be a battle of ideology, policy and personality - with Mr Sunak, the prudent, centrist, polished public schoolboy against Ms Truss, the tax-cutting, Right-wing, robotic Yorkshire lass. The two have already committed enough blue-on-blue attacks to last Labour through to the next election. Mr Sunak has dismissed his opponent’s “something for nothing” tax-cutting as “fairytale” economics and attacked her past as a Remainer and a former Liberal Democrat. Ms Truss, who went to a comprehensive school, has attacked the former chancellor’s privileged education at Winchester College and accused him of leading the country into a recession. Mr Sunak also has another formidable opponent - Boris Johnson. Number 10 will be doing everything it can behind the scenes to steer members towards loyalist “continuity Boris” candidate Ms Truss, rather than the man who triggered the Prime Minister’s downfall by resigning. Daily Telegraph. This is like the nonsense peddled in primary schools on sports day about "taking part that counts" blah blah, it's not, it's about having a winning mentality. They're competing for the very top job in the country, I for one am glad it's robust and at times fiery, I'm not into all this pat on the back for taking part b******s. Well, they will have to be robust enough, but also astute enough to argue our case with Biden, Macron, the EU, etc. Plus hard talking to Russia without getting us nuked, hopefully. |
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 20, 2022 20:16:41 GMT 1
Whoever wins will inherit a poisoned chalice. Once people realise the enormity of their energy bills in the autumn, there will be massive reaction against the Govt, rightly or wrongly.
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Post by salop27 on Jul 20, 2022 23:58:59 GMT 1
I might have the time to get to the Birmingham husting to see in actual person what the candidates are like.
Personally the cost of living issues aren't my top priority.
My main issue is with the NHS, it's not suitable for purpose currently. Then there's securing the UKs future energy and food security. Then chuck in making life better for younger generations so making University courses free again and help get them out of the dead money trap of renting by acting as guarantors for 100% mortgages.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 21, 2022 10:02:53 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 21, 2022 10:47:46 GMT 1
I bet Sir Kier partied like it was 2019 when he heard who the two were, one of whom will be the next PM.
Though, I don't actually know if Sir Kier would know how to party...
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 21, 2022 10:59:18 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. |
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Post by servernaside on Jul 21, 2022 11:09:21 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. |
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 21, 2022 11:16:37 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. Give me dull, grey and competent any day. Electing flamboyant chancers has proved a disaster. And yet another Tory who knows the law better than the police and a QC. Who knew b and a was such a hotbed of legal talent? Of course none of that has anything to do with the fact the favourite to be the next PM is actuallt putting her foot on the accelerator as we head towards the economic cliff edge instead of steering away. Sure it'll still be Labour's faukt when we are still suffering double digit inflation in a year's time. |
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Post by kenwood on Jul 21, 2022 12:13:35 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. Probably nowhere near as much as the vast amount shelled out into Tory coffers by Cruddas , who Johnson alone elevated into the Lords despite advice to the contrary, and of course vast amounts from Lebedev but we will never know because Johnson kept a certain report away from the public domain. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 21, 2022 12:24:04 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. Oh dear. Somehow I think Sir Kier wil have to manage without your vote. |
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Post by salop27 on Jul 21, 2022 13:14:21 GMT 1
With the next general election due in December 2024 I can see this thread being wheeled out again with in eighteen months time. That's how much confidence I have in these two....
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 21, 2022 13:36:18 GMT 1
As predicted, Truss now proposing to give our money back to us and call it a "tax cut"; www.ft.com/content/233b692e-39be-4175-90e3-1253418203b0Buried within the article is the truth here; "Another member of her team said the exchequer had more “headroom” than widely thought because tax receipts would come in higher than expected this year." Presumably the reason Rishi (the architect of 'Eat Out to Help Out') is coming on all Mr Fiscal Responsibility is because he was expecting his war chest to be used as a pre election bribe in 2024 and now can't be honest about the fact that he knowingly didn't allocate funds to social spending when he knew they were likely to be available whereas Trussy has no such issues so can hand out all the sweeties she wants. How any of this is supposed to "tackle inflation" is beyond me. If there's any one positive thing to come out of this debacle I hope it's that we can put this notion of the conservatives being a "safe pair of hands" with the economy to bed. This lot are worse than clueless; the way they are treating the economy as a political football is actively dangerous and the fact a Truss victory seems likely paints a deeply concerning picture of the next 2 years. Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocent😂 Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? |
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Post by northwestman on Jul 21, 2022 16:45:24 GMT 1
Concerning yes, but not as concerning as the prospect of a Labour government led by the eternally dull and grey Sir Starmer. If we're talking clueless, he's definitely your man, although he did manage to get himself off the hook for his 'night out' in Durham. I wonder how much money changed hands there. You honestly believe he bribed the Durham police to find him innocent😂 Could it be he was innocent and the whole investigation was bought on by Boris supporters harping on about beergate (a bit like Pilch) when in fact there was offing to see? There is also the small matter of the seriously inadequate investigation into Partygate by the Met, which is the subject of judicial review. |
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