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Post by kenwood on Jun 19, 2022 11:40:49 GMT 1
Green up the bus stations, green up the busses. How long has oil got to continue to dominate our economy?
What a strange world we live in. In the same County we have one Council coming up with an off grid bus station using electricity generated ina renewable way and another Council ploughing ahead with a contentious North West Relief Road which some say will only help to exacerbate global warming as well as destroying precious wildlife habitation and increasing poor air quality along the route. As Sean Lock once said “ what’s the f.cking point “ . |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 19, 2022 11:48:57 GMT 1
im no expert but unless the big produers increase production somthing saudie arabia has refused to and why do the they need to as there profits have doubled by staying at current levels also they are unhappy with Biden. prices will be volatile untill the russian invassion of ukraine stops . but at $110 a barrel it has droped $10 so why are prices still going up ? the petrol companies have been very quick to keep putting them up. www.thestreet.com/markets/gas-price-relief-in-sight-as-crude-oil-tumbles-on-recession-fears"WTI crude futures for July delivery, the most tightly-linked commodity to U.S gasoline prices, were marked $7.53 lower on the session at $110.06 per barrel." Needs looking at right the way down the chain by someone independent that can find out just who is making huge gains out of this (as well at the government of course but at least they are open about what they make out of it). No doubt someone just laughed long and hard about the government just knocking 5p/ltr off their bit without doing anything to make sure it was filtered down to the end user. Problem is that will take weeks before we see a drop in prices. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 19, 2022 11:56:26 GMT 1
im no expert but unless the big produers increase production somthing saudie arabia has refused to and why do the they need to as there profits have doubled by staying at current levels also they are unhappy with Biden. prices will be volatile untill the russian invassion of ukraine stops . but at $110 a barrel it has droped $10 so why are prices still going up ? the petrol companies have been very quick to keep putting them up. www.thestreet.com/markets/gas-price-relief-in-sight-as-crude-oil-tumbles-on-recession-fears"WTI crude futures for July delivery, the most tightly-linked commodity to U.S gasoline prices, were marked $7.53 lower on the session at $110.06 per barrel." Needs looking at right the way down the chain by someone independent that can find out just who is making huge gains out of this (as well at the government of course but at least they are open about what they make out of it). No doubt someone just laughed long and hard about the government just knocking 5p/ltr off their bit without doing anything to make sure it was filtered down to the end user. Problem is that will take weeks before we see a drop in prices. "Problem is that will take weeks before we see a drop in prices." this is the issue i have prices gp up and the pumps respond prices go down very slowly and i appreciate it will be the next delivery but still far to slow, oil companies have made huge profits as per usual we pay through the nose. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2022 11:59:31 GMT 1
Green up the bus stations, green up the busses. How long has oil got to continue to dominate our economy?
What a strange world we live in. In the same County we have one Council coming up with an off grid bus station using electricity generated ina renewable way and another Council ploughing ahead with a contentious North West Relief Road which some say will only help to exacerbate global warming as well as destroying precious wildlife habitation and increasing poor air quality along the route. As Sean Lock once said “ what’s the f.cking point “ . Not sure about he NW relief road. If the centre of Shrewsbury and the existing roads can take the traffic, without large queues of polluting traffic then maybe it could be questioned.
A scheme to make the A5 "motorway" standard, like Telford (plus flyovers instead of roundabouts on the A53 junction to A5 junction road) would save a heck of a lot of queueing traffic at all those roundabouts in Shrewsbury, cut pollution and cut the accident rate. Would also give some of the benefits the NW relief road is supposed to give.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 19, 2022 12:03:44 GMT 1
im no expert but unless the big produers increase production somthing saudie arabia has refused to and why do the they need to as there profits have doubled by staying at current levels also they are unhappy with Biden. prices will be volatile untill the russian invassion of ukraine stops . but at $110 a barrel it has droped $10 so why are prices still going up ? the petrol companies have been very quick to keep putting them up. www.thestreet.com/markets/gas-price-relief-in-sight-as-crude-oil-tumbles-on-recession-fears"WTI crude futures for July delivery, the most tightly-linked commodity to U.S gasoline prices, were marked $7.53 lower on the session at $110.06 per barrel." Needs looking at right the way down the chain by someone independent that can find out just who is making huge gains out of this (as well at the government of course but at least they are open about what they make out of it). No doubt someone just laughed long and hard about the government just knocking 5p/ltr off their bit without doing anything to make sure it was filtered down to the end user. Problem is that will take weeks before we see a drop in prices. Try factoring in the value of the pound against the dollar and sometimes a reduction in the price a barrel in dollars doesn't equal a reduction of the price per litre in pounds. |
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Post by zenfootball2 on Jun 20, 2022 19:36:06 GMT 1
from the mail
"Russia becomes China's biggest oil supplier after Beijing increased imports by 55 per cent to capitalise on low prices
Russia has become China's largest oil supplier after slashing its prices due to Western sanctions over the war in Ukraine.
It displaced Saudi Arabia as China's biggest provider after a 55 per cent increase over the past year allowed the Chinese state to capitalise on low prices brought about by western countries refusing to buy oil from Russia.
Russian oil exports to China totalled nearly 8.42million tonnes in the month of May, nudging out Saudi Arabia which exported 7.82million tonnes to China.
Chinese state giants Sinopec and Zhenhua Oil have increased their purchases of Russian crude in recent months, refining the oil and selling it on.
Discounts of up to 30 per cent have undermined western sanctions and sparked fears that Russia will continue to find funding for its war in Ukraine.
Last week, the Centre for Research on Energy and Clean Air think tank said Russia earned almost $100bn in revenue from fossil fuel exports in the first 100 days of the country's invasion of Ukraine.
The European Union made up 61 per cent of these imports, worth approximately $59bn."
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 28, 2022 13:25:52 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2022 13:54:18 GMT 1
What sort of action? Are we allowed to use violence against you if you cause any obstruction, as you advocated against climate protesters? |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 28, 2022 17:17:05 GMT 1
What sort of action? Are we allowed to use violence against you if you cause any obstruction, as you advocated against climate protesters? Think it's pretty obvious what action I'm talking about. Most will understand. |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2022 17:22:33 GMT 1
What sort of action? Are we allowed to use violence against you if you cause any obstruction, as you advocated against climate protesters? Think it's pretty obvious what action I'm talking about. Most will understand. I don't see the problem , I filled up today, everyone seemed quite happy and just getting on with it, we'd all like to live in past and pay less but its time to move on I call it learning to live with high petrol prices  |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2022 17:32:56 GMT 1
What sort of action? Are we allowed to use violence against you if you cause any obstruction, as you advocated against climate protesters? Think it's pretty obvious what action I'm talking about. Most will understand. Good, but I don’t, so please enlighten me. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2022 17:37:13 GMT 1
Think it's pretty obvious what action I'm talking about. Most will understand. I don't see the problem , I filled up today, everyone seemed quite happy and just getting on with it, we'd all like to live in past and pay less but its time to move on I call it learning to live with high petrol prices You must be the most accepting person on b&a. I think that might be a compliment because it’s probably healthier not to be concerned by what you can’t control. But then we get walked on if we never do anything so …… I dunno.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2022 17:46:01 GMT 1
What ever you do don’t go blocking any roads or forcourts. Some cock will come along and either beat you up or run you over! |
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2022 19:19:10 GMT 1
I don't see the problem , I filled up today, everyone seemed quite happy and just getting on with it, we'd all like to live in past and pay less but its time to move on I call it learning to live with high petrol prices You must be the most accepting person on b&a. I think that might be a compliment because it’s probably healthier not to be concerned by what you can’t control. But then we get walked on if we never do anything so …… I dunno.  There are some things in life you have to get used to, I've been driving for about 35 years, the only thing in common is fuel prices keep increasing steeply. sometimes they fluctuate for a while before settling down at a price higher than before they started rising at. I do also find it funny that for 2 years I've been lectured about covid and told to just get on with it, even though there were measures I could take to help myself and others. Petrol however , just find the cheapest garage, squeeze the handle and take your eyes off the spinning numbers until it clicks. Pay at the pump as you didn't even have to know what the final bill is  Even moaning on the normally reliable problem solving blue and amber won't get prices reduced. |
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 28, 2022 20:04:55 GMT 1
Fuel Prices / Climate activists / Covid grudges within 5 or so posts
Only on B&A 😂
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Post by Pilch on Jun 28, 2022 20:22:37 GMT 1
Fuel Prices / Climate activists / Covid grudges within 5 or so posts Only on B&A 😂 wasn't really a grudge, just a comparison to say there's nothing much that can be done I suppose there are still measures we could take like driving more economically or less or even not all at, I would lay money that those who moan the most probably drive like idiots or use cars too big for them |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2022 23:41:29 GMT 1
You must be the most accepting person on b&a. I think that might be a compliment because it’s probably healthier not to be concerned by what you can’t control. But then we get walked on if we never do anything so …… I dunno. There are some things in life you have to get used to, I've been driving for about 35 years, the only thing in common is fuel prices keep increasing steeply. sometimes they fluctuate for a while before settling down at a price higher than before they started rising at. I do also find it funny that for 2 years I've been lectured about covid and told to just get on with it, even though there were measures I could take to help myself and others. Petrol however , just find the cheapest garage, squeeze the handle and take your eyes off the spinning numbers until it clicks. Pay at the pump as you didn't even have to know what the final bill is Even moaning on the normally reliable problem solving blue and amber won't get prices reduced. I drive on the A49 in Cheshire quite a lot & so pass what used to be the Lou Coffin garage north of Whitchurch. When it closed a few years ago, the fuel prices were left up. They were £1.30-odd a litre. Prices fell sharply afterwards, dropping below £1 a litre in places, & the Coffin garage looked like a weirdly extortionate anomaly for a few years. Then prices gradually caught up again & it looked like the place had only just closed. The signs have gone now but it showed that it’s not always been a one way street. I still wonder what’s going to happen to all these hundreds of contaminated land sites after 2030. It’ll take a few years but the numbers of sites will collapse as sales volumes fall. Petrol retailing only makes business sense with very high volume, because the margins are so small. As we go to electric, & maybe hydrogen, petrol & diesel prices might increase sharply as fewer & fewer people buy it, otherwise it won’t be worthwhile for a retailer to sell it at all. I plan to be petrol/diesel free before 2030. |
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Post by venceremos on Jun 28, 2022 23:45:27 GMT 1
Fuel Prices / Climate activists / Covid grudges within 5 or so posts Only on B&A 😂 Aren’t we the lucky ones? Some boards just blather on about footie all the time. Everything in the universe connects eventually. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 29, 2022 0:00:25 GMT 1
There are some things in life you have to get used to, I've been driving for about 35 years, the only thing in common is fuel prices keep increasing steeply. sometimes they fluctuate for a while before settling down at a price higher than before they started rising at. I do also find it funny that for 2 years I've been lectured about covid and told to just get on with it, even though there were measures I could take to help myself and others. Petrol however , just find the cheapest garage, squeeze the handle and take your eyes off the spinning numbers until it clicks. Pay at the pump as you didn't even have to know what the final bill is Even moaning on the normally reliable problem solving blue and amber won't get prices reduced. I plan to be petrol/diesel free before 2030. I'm sure I'm not on my own by not even thinking about it. 2030, never in a million fkin years. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 29, 2022 10:09:15 GMT 1
There are some things in life you have to get used to, I've been driving for about 35 years, the only thing in common is fuel prices keep increasing steeply. sometimes they fluctuate for a while before settling down at a price higher than before they started rising at. I do also find it funny that for 2 years I've been lectured about covid and told to just get on with it, even though there were measures I could take to help myself and others. Petrol however , just find the cheapest garage, squeeze the handle and take your eyes off the spinning numbers until it clicks. Pay at the pump as you didn't even have to know what the final bill is Even moaning on the normally reliable problem solving blue and amber won't get prices reduced. I drive on the A49 in Cheshire quite a lot & so pass what used to be the Lou Coffin garage north of Whitchurch. When it closed a few years ago, the fuel prices were left up. They were £1.30-odd a litre. Prices fell sharply afterwards, dropping below £1 a litre in places, & the Coffin garage looked like a weirdly extortionate anomaly for a few years. Then prices gradually caught up again & it looked like the place had only just closed. The signs have gone now but it showed that it’s not always been a one way street. I still wonder what’s going to happen to all these hundreds of contaminated land sites after 2030. It’ll take a few years but the numbers of sites will collapse as sales volumes fall. Petrol retailing only makes business sense with very high volume, because the margins are so small. As we go to electric, & maybe hydrogen, petrol & diesel prices might increase sharply as fewer & fewer people buy it, otherwise it won’t be worthwhile for a retailer to sell it at all. I plan to be petrol/diesel free before 2030. Contaminated sites? They seem to have ways to deal with them. A petrol station at Great Bridgford let me have some when we had a real fuel shortage in the 80's. It closed and houses soon appeared. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 29, 2022 11:01:37 GMT 1
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Post by venceremos on Jun 29, 2022 12:51:52 GMT 1
I drive on the A49 in Cheshire quite a lot & so pass what used to be the Lou Coffin garage north of Whitchurch. When it closed a few years ago, the fuel prices were left up. They were £1.30-odd a litre. Prices fell sharply afterwards, dropping below £1 a litre in places, & the Coffin garage looked like a weirdly extortionate anomaly for a few years. Then prices gradually caught up again & it looked like the place had only just closed. The signs have gone now but it showed that it’s not always been a one way street. I still wonder what’s going to happen to all these hundreds of contaminated land sites after 2030. It’ll take a few years but the numbers of sites will collapse as sales volumes fall. Petrol retailing only makes business sense with very high volume, because the margins are so small. As we go to electric, & maybe hydrogen, petrol & diesel prices might increase sharply as fewer & fewer people buy it, otherwise it won’t be worthwhile for a retailer to sell it at all. I plan to be petrol/diesel free before 2030. Contaminated sites? They seem to have ways to deal with them. A petrol station at Great Bridgford let me have some when we had a real fuel shortage in the 80's. It closed and houses soon appeared. They can deal with them but it requires a special 150% tax break (land remediation relief) to make it worthwhile for the developers - so we get to chip in for the cost of the clean up! It must be questionable whether the relatively small size of a lot of filling stations and their main road locations would make them a desirable proposition for housebuilders, even with the tax break. I suspect they're more likely to be converted to fast-charging or battery exchange stations but I'll be interested to see what happens. |
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Post by staffordshrew on Jun 29, 2022 12:55:04 GMT 1
Contaminated sites? They seem to have ways to deal with them. A petrol station at Great Bridgford let me have some when we had a real fuel shortage in the 80's. It closed and houses soon appeared. They can deal with them but it requires a special tax break (contaminated land relief) to make it worthwhile for the developers - so we get to chip in for the cost of the clean up! It must be questionable whether the relatively small size of a lot of filling stations and their main road locations would make them a desirable proposition for housebuilders, even with the tax break. I suspect they're more likely to be converted to fast-charging or battery exchange stations but I'll be interested to see what happens. The one I mentioned had workshops too. Many do, you then get a sizeable piece of land. |
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jul 3, 2022 13:21:08 GMT 1
1 protest I actually agree with. Guess they wont be stupidly glueing themselves to the roads 🤬 But I'm sure your post was only put up to provoke a response 🙂 |
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Post by cheggersdrinkspop on Jul 3, 2022 14:31:07 GMT 1
There was a very interesting report on Petrol Station economics (if you like that sort of thing) on Radio 4 this week. Strangely, and probably to most peoples surprise on this, the revenue from fuel is very low compared to the revenue from the shops that occupy most of them. In fact without the shop brands such as Spar, Nisa, etc, petrol stations are not a very good business model. The reality is that the fuel prices fluctuate from day to day, and the price when the fuel is purchased by the retailer to when it is delivered and sold, can be significant, and sometimes sold at a loss or little profit. Obviously this can work the other way around, but like every retailer they need to be competitive, and cannot charge what they want or they won't shift it, therefore increasing the risk. There are other interesting anomalies in how they operate regarding selling alcohol and other licensed products, which all relate to the fuel to shop revenue. It may still be on the iplayer/BBC sounds, but worth a listen to understand how it works, and the general perception of this contentious issue.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 3, 2022 14:55:52 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jul 3, 2022 14:56:29 GMT 1
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 3, 2022 15:01:28 GMT 1
The chap who’s organised it is Andy Carolman from Telford, a quick Google will revel his business so people can vote with their support for his business or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2022 15:28:24 GMT 1
1 protest I actually agree with. Guess they wont be stupidly glueing themselves to the roads 🤬 But I'm sure your post was only put up to provoke a response 🙂 Pretty irrelevant if you support it or not. If you support direct action for things you support but not for things you don’t it’s called hypocrisy? No that wasn’t the reason for posting but I was pretty sure it would cos there’s a fair few hypocrites on here. |
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