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Post by northwestman on Oct 20, 2021 20:40:34 GMT 1
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 20, 2021 22:57:40 GMT 1
Ahh the anxiety grows for this one! The win against MK looks like a miracle after our showing at Oxford. To have 4 strikers and Whalley play and not have one shot on target..............
I don't think it's possible for that to happen again. Surely not! Heart says 1-0 win, head says 0-0.
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Post by Mortgagehound on Oct 20, 2021 23:09:20 GMT 1
3-0 to Town
No if buts or maybes
Come on you blues
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 20, 2021 23:20:01 GMT 1
We need to win games like this if we want to still have a fighting chance of staying up.
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Post by SeanBroseley on Oct 21, 2021 1:51:35 GMT 1
In an edition of Salopcast a couple of weeks ago Ollie said that he thought this game would be make or break for Cotterill.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 9:26:49 GMT 1
make of that what you will www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2021/10/21/away-blues-may-become-trait-for-evolving-shrewsbury--steve-cotterill/Steve Cotterill feels Shrewsbury Town’s poor away form could become a ‘trait’ while the side continues to evolve.Town have collected just a single point on the road this term as Tuesday’s defeat at Oxford made it six defeats from seven. Their three League One victories have come at Montgomery Waters Meadow and Cotterill pointed out how the run contrasts with the impressive victories picked up away from when he over last November. The Town boss, whose side are 21st, admitted it did not matter whether points came home or away, but he said while the focus is on securing points at home, away form could continue to struggle.“I told you when I first came here and we got a load of wins on the road and you said about having home wins for the fans – we’ve managed to produce that (this season), we just haven’t managed to produce away wins for away fans,” Cotterill said. “I said at the time that it doesn’t matter where the wins come as long as we get the points. The only thing is, you’re always reflecting on your home form, and you can get home form better but can’t get the away form right, that’s what happens when you’re a team changing and evolving like ours is. “So until we can get those nuts and bolts in the right areas, this will probably be a trait.Town return to the Meadow on Saturday for a home clash with newly-promoted Cambridge United, who have started well and sit 16th with just three defeats from 12. Cotterill’s men are the division’s third-lowest scorers with 10 goals from 14 outings and drew a black at the Kassam Stadium in midweek, where the statistics read zero efforts on target. The boss said he ‘can’t do anything about’ his side’s finishing, something worked on religiously. “I can’t do anything about that, with them,” he added.“We’ve worked a lot, and when Nathanael Ogbeta gets into the final third and is having shots, he hasn’t hit the target for ages now, Nat. “We work on it every day, work on that especially with Nat coming inside and can he get a shot off with the little stepover he does. “But if you don’t hit the target, it’s the same for everyone. The other thing is there will be shots on target on Tuesday and there’s blocks in there, the blocks don’t always get acknowledged, there would’ve been shots on target, more than one, but they’ve got blocks in.”
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 21, 2021 9:57:36 GMT 1
Such a strange interview, one thing I will give him is at least he's brutally honest instead of just repeating cliches.
For some reason I've decided to go to this game, lets hope they put a performance on to encourage me to keep going, I shouldn't have to try and convince myself to go and watch the Town!
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Oct 21, 2021 10:11:16 GMT 1
The MK win has brought a little bit more goodwill to SC, but this still does feel like a big game.
We are over 1/4 way through the season now and occupy a relegation spot with several teams around us probably won't stay there.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 21, 2021 10:16:27 GMT 1
I was going to post the article as well but put it on the Stratford thread!! Preparing us for the worst!!
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2021 10:21:01 GMT 1
I hate to mention it to SC, but we've only won 3 games at home, whilst losing to Burton, Plymouth and Wycombe.
And now he's effectively telling us not to expect much in the way of returns from the away games. We don't.
"that’s what happens when you’re a team changing and evolving like ours is". Any of the other managers in League 1 could use this excuse. It's 14 games now, and there isn't much to change in a pitifully thin squad. When the changes come (other than rotation of the non scoring front men) it is invariably players playing out of position where injuries and suspensions take effect, as there's no adequate cover, especially in midfield.
Throw in Daniels and Leshabela whom he clearly doesn't want to play, and Pyke who shouldn't, and he's effectively got a squad of 17 players which includes Bloxham and Caton, plus LLoyd and Wilson to fill the bench.
"The boss said he ‘can’t do anything about’ his side’s finishing". Well, that's presumably an admission that either he's incompetent or his players are. But interesting that instead of one of his recognised strikers, he chooses to call out Ogbeta. Ogbeta, who last season looked an excellent acquisition in his 1st few games for us, is now out of sorts - maybe he's reacting to the way he's been handled this season by SC. Can't see him wanting to stay.
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Post by ssshrew on Oct 21, 2021 10:25:14 GMT 1
Perhaps he did better when Wilbraham was in the dressing room than we gave him (wilbraham) credit for last season.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Oct 21, 2021 12:33:28 GMT 1
I hate to mention it to SC, but we've only won 3 games at home, whilst losing to Burton, Plymouth and Wycombe. And now he's effectively telling us not to expect much in the way of returns from the away games. We don't. "that’s what happens when you’re a team changing and evolving like ours is". Any of the other managers in League 1 could use this excuse. It's 14 games now, and there isn't much to change in a pitifully thin squad. When the changes come (other than rotation of the non scoring front men) it is invariably players playing out of position where injuries and suspensions take effect, as there's no adequate cover, especially in midfield. Throw in Daniels and Leshabela whom he clearly doesn't want to play, and Pyke who shouldn't, and he's effectively got a squad of 17 players which includes Bloxham and Caton, plus LLoyd and Wilson to fill the bench. "The boss said he ‘can’t do anything about’ his side’s finishing". Well, that's presumably an admission that either he's incompetent or his players are. But interesting that instead of one of his recognised strikers, he chooses to call out Ogbeta. Ogbeta, who last season looked an excellent acquisition in his 1st few games for us, is now out of sorts - maybe he's reacting to the way he's been handled this season by SC. Can't see him wanting to stay. Can't see many wanting to stay to be honest. May seem too early to say that but any of our saleable assets from 6 months ago are all out of contract - Pierre, Ogbeta and Vela. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 1 of them goes in January if we can recoup a bit of money. Wherever we are next season who knows, but I would imagine a rebuilding project next summer even bigger than this one. And going off that summer I don't hold out much hope. Outside of strikers the only players contracted next season are Marosi, Pennington, Nurse and Leahy.
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Post by martinshrew on Oct 21, 2021 12:39:18 GMT 1
I hate to mention it to SC, but we've only won 3 games at home, whilst losing to Burton, Plymouth and Wycombe. And now he's effectively telling us not to expect much in the way of returns from the away games. We don't. "that’s what happens when you’re a team changing and evolving like ours is". Any of the other managers in League 1 could use this excuse. It's 14 games now, and there isn't much to change in a pitifully thin squad. When the changes come (other than rotation of the non scoring front men) it is invariably players playing out of position where injuries and suspensions take effect, as there's no adequate cover, especially in midfield. Throw in Daniels and Leshabela whom he clearly doesn't want to play, and Pyke who shouldn't, and he's effectively got a squad of 17 players which includes Bloxham and Caton, plus LLoyd and Wilson to fill the bench. "The boss said he ‘can’t do anything about’ his side’s finishing". Well, that's presumably an admission that either he's incompetent or his players are. But interesting that instead of one of his recognised strikers, he chooses to call out Ogbeta. Ogbeta, who last season looked an excellent acquisition in his 1st few games for us, is now out of sorts - maybe he's reacting to the way he's been handled this season by SC. Can't see him wanting to stay. Can't see many wanting to stay to be honest. May seem too early to say that but any of our saleable assets from 6 months ago are all out of contract - Pierre, Ogbeta and Vela. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 1 of them goes in January if we can recoup a bit of money. Wherever we are next season who knows, but I would imagine a rebuilding project next summer even bigger than this one. And going off that summer I don't hold out much hope. Outside of strikers the only players contracted next season are Marosi, Pennington, Nurse and Leahy. If we could get a couple of hundred thousand each + sell on % (Optimistic) for Pierre, Vela & Ogbeta I'd probably take it. Cotterill will have people lined up already, if the budget allows. If it doesn't, we know where to point the finger. I can't see Cotterill letting this window slip by without at least half a dozen signings.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2021 13:20:09 GMT 1
A fair % of whatever we get for Ogbeta will almost certainly be claimed by Manchester City via a sell on clause.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Oct 21, 2021 13:28:05 GMT 1
Can't see many wanting to stay to be honest. May seem too early to say that but any of our saleable assets from 6 months ago are all out of contract - Pierre, Ogbeta and Vela. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 1 of them goes in January if we can recoup a bit of money. Wherever we are next season who knows, but I would imagine a rebuilding project next summer even bigger than this one. And going off that summer I don't hold out much hope. Outside of strikers the only players contracted next season are Marosi, Pennington, Nurse and Leahy. If we could get a couple of hundred thousand each + sell on % (Optimistic) for Pierre, Vela & Ogbeta I'd probably take it. Cotterill will have people lined up already, if the budget allows. If it doesn't, we know where to point the finger. I can't see Cotterill letting this window slip by without at least half a dozen signings. Don't think we have a chance for that much for Vela or Pierre with only 6 months left on the contract. Ogbeta possibly 6 figures if he improves on form this season and given that we would be due some sort of fee at end of the season anyway. Lost faith in SC/Club bringing in players after the dreadful summer. And we could only make that many signings with a decent chunk of outgoings too
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 13:57:34 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2021 14:09:24 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three. I'd sell Vela if Blackpool are still prepared to pay £200k or so for him. He's out of contract at the end of the season and would surely leave for nothing then.
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 21, 2021 14:15:38 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three. I'd sell Vela if Blackpool are still prepared to pay £200k or so for him. He's out of contract at the end of the season and would surely leave for nothing then. Surely staying in League 1 is more important than 200K? The thought of selling one of our best players (again) without a replacement would lead to revolution on the terraces, although we might not have to wait till January for that.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 21, 2021 16:54:26 GMT 1
Can't see many wanting to stay to be honest. May seem too early to say that but any of our saleable assets from 6 months ago are all out of contract - Pierre, Ogbeta and Vela. Wouldn't surprise me if at least 1 of them goes in January if we can recoup a bit of money. Wherever we are next season who knows, but I would imagine a rebuilding project next summer even bigger than this one. And going off that summer I don't hold out much hope. Outside of strikers the only players contracted next season are Marosi, Pennington, Nurse and Leahy. If we could get a couple of hundred thousand each + sell on % (Optimistic) for Pierre, Vela & Ogbeta I'd probably take it. Cotterill will have people lined up already, if the budget allows. If it doesn't, we know where to point the finger. I can't see Cotterill letting this window slip by without at least half a dozen signings. I have huge reservations about the January window tbh based on the (lack of) action we saw in the summer. Whether its SCs fault or the clubs remains to be seen, but whatever it was needs sorting big time. I still keep thinking about or Head of Recruitment, what he actually does to earn his wages. If he had anything about him he would have found us players to sign within whatever our budget was, even if it was Premier League youngsters on season long loans. He couldnt even supply that. To me that position is a complete waste of money.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Oct 21, 2021 19:09:38 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three. I'd sell Vela if Blackpool are still prepared to pay £200k or so for him. He's out of contract at the end of the season and would surely leave for nothing then. then we need to ensure we get his contract renewd and you would hope they do.
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Post by northwestman on Oct 21, 2021 19:25:30 GMT 1
I'd sell Vela if Blackpool are still prepared to pay £200k or so for him. He's out of contract at the end of the season and would surely leave for nothing then. then we need to ensure we get his contract renewd and you would hope they do. I'm not sure we haven't already tried to, with no success.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Oct 21, 2021 20:00:09 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three. Ogbeta has had so little game time lately it tells possible buyers that SC does not rate him so I doubt that we can hold out for a substantial fee for him. It is one of the many mysteries of this season that Ogbeta cannot get into this team.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 20:03:55 GMT 1
Ogbeta is under 23 so if we offer him a new contract and he decides reject and move on then we would get some compensation, I would rather sell Pierre in January out of them three. Ogbeta has had so little game time lately it tells possible buyers that SC does not rate him so I doubt that we can hold out for a substantial fee for him. It is one of the many mysteries of this season that Ogbeta cannot get into this team. But a fee is set for a tribunal if the clubs can’t be agree on a fee. I’d personally support playing him at left back with Leahy in midfield for the foreseeable and see what happens in January.
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Post by belfastshrew on Oct 21, 2021 20:09:52 GMT 1
That Cotteril interview...telling us losing away will likely become a 'trait'....wow. I feel so motivated by that...everyone else feel equally motivated? If I was a player I wouldn't even be asking to play away games. Hope this is SC telling the public one thing (perhaps to lower expectation) and telling the players another.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 21, 2021 20:45:21 GMT 1
I'd sell Vela if Blackpool are still prepared to pay £200k or so for him. He's out of contract at the end of the season and would surely leave for nothing then. then we need to ensure we get his contract renewd and you would hope they do. too late for that, damn bosman , vela would be a fool to sign a new contract with us given he could probably get a nice signing on fee from one or 2 clubs we should be grateful we gave norburn an decent extension then again it backfires sometimes giving too long a contract, we have a few who didnt have a hope in hell of being retained had their contracts ran out last season
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 21, 2021 20:53:35 GMT 1
then we need to ensure we get his contract renewd and you would hope they do. too late for that, damn bosman , vela would be a fool to sign a new contract with us given he could probably get a nice signing on fee from one or 2 clubs we should be grateful we gave norburn an decent extension then again it backfires sometimes giving too long a contract, we have a few who didnt have a hope in hell of being retained had their contracts ran out last season Vela, Ogbeta and Pierre would be the only players I’d suggest that would’ve been unlikely to sign if they were out of contract last summer. Are you suggesting more?
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2021 10:35:21 GMT 1
too late for that, damn bosman , vela would be a fool to sign a new contract with us given he could probably get a nice signing on fee from one or 2 clubs we should be grateful we gave norburn an decent extension then again it backfires sometimes giving too long a contract, we have a few who didnt have a hope in hell of being retained had their contracts ran out last season Vela, Ogbeta and Pierre would be the only players I’d suggest that would’ve been unlikely to sign if they were out of contract last summer. Are you suggesting more? That’s our only assets , and we will lose them for nothing I doubt Tom will be signing an extension , although we are doing a great job of keeping him out of the shop window
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Post by blamber on Oct 22, 2021 11:28:43 GMT 1
Vela, Ogbeta and Pierre would be the only players I’d suggest that would’ve been unlikely to sign if they were out of contract last summer. Are you suggesting more? That’s our only assets , and we will lose them for nothing I doubt Tom will be signing an extension , although we are doing a great job of keeping him out of the shop window It's not unusual for us to have three or four key assets that have contracts coming to an end with the problem of losing them for nothing. Happens every year. But what is encouraging is the likes of Bloxham (he's only 17 so won't start every game), Caton, Wilson and Lloyd looking very promising for the future.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 22, 2021 11:32:53 GMT 1
That’s our only assets , and we will lose them for nothing I doubt Tom will be signing an extension , although we are doing a great job of keeping him out of the shop window It's not unusual for us to have three or four key assets that have contracts coming to an end with the problem of losing them for nothing. Happens every year. But what is encouraging is the likes of Bloxham (he's only 17 so won't start every game), Caton, Wilson and Lloyd looking very promising for the future. Every season ? Which were the 3 or 4 at the end of last season ?
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Oct 22, 2021 12:41:05 GMT 1
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