|
Post by South Stand Salopian on May 23, 2021 14:14:41 GMT 1
Will be announced on Tuesday afternoon, up from 23 to a 26 member squad for this year. Guess the three goalkeepers pick themselves and I’d expect Pickford to be no.1. As Southgate has stated he hasn’t let England down.
Plenty of choices at right back: Kyle Walker, Kieran Trippier, Reece James, Aaron Wan-Bissaka, Trent Alexander-Arnold, a lot of choice there! Wouldn’t say no to Godfrey at centre back especially with his versatility if we name 5 centre backs, I prefer him to Dier anyway! Left back easy choice is far easier Shaw and Chilwell for me.
Who gets called up in defence is debatable but I don’t think there’ll be any surprises in midfield and attack, I think Greenwood has had a strong last couple of months but I don’t think it’ll be enough when you look at the quality of the other attackers.
I’d go for: GK: Pickford, Henderson, Pope. DF: Walker, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, Coady, Mings, Godfrey, Shaw, Chilwell. MF: Henderson, Rice, Phillips, Ward-Prowse, Bellingham, Mount, Foden, Grealish, Lingard. FW: Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Sancho.
|
|
|
Post by lenny on May 23, 2021 15:06:24 GMT 1
Got some serious depth in the attacking positions now, shame the same isn't true for central defenders/midfielders. Seems quite likely that the likes of Saka and Greenwood will miss out, even with the expanded squad, which is saying something about the players available.
As you say we know who the three keepers will be. Trippier has been excellent for Atletico by all accounts this season and Southgate likes him so he seems nailed on, and Walker will surely go too. I think the extra spots will be used to add versatility in the defence, seems unlikely that TAA will go which I also think is crazy but I think Reece James is also a fine player and seems like he'll go as a versatile option for back 4 or 5 set ups.
At centre back, Stones and Maguire (if fit) are the two first choices and I'd take Mings and Coady as the other two, with James and Walker adding extra cover. Big fan of Godfrey but there's no way I can see him getting in - Michael Keane I would expect to be ahead of him in the pecking order if we have another body there. LB picks itself, agreed.
Midfielders - Rice, Henderson, Phillips and Bellingham seems like the nailed on quartet. Henderson even if he's not fully fit given what he brings off the pitch.
Attacking midfielders/forwards: Mount, Sancho, Sterling, Grealish, Sancho, Rashford, Kane and Calvert Lewin all nailed on. Leaves two more spots - reckon they'll go to centre backs or centre mids (Keane/Ward Prowse probably) if Henderson and Maguire aren't 100% fit, otherwise Lingard might well have played himself in (personally I'd prefer Saka as he's been good all season).
Picking a first 11 is very tough - I think probably a 4-2-3-1 with Pickford, Trippier, Maguire, Stones, Shaw, Henderson, Rice, Mount, Foden, Sterling, Kane but Grealish, Rashford, Sancho and Bellingham all could come in without really changing the quality or balance of that team I think.
|
|
|
Post by The Tactician on May 23, 2021 15:20:58 GMT 1
Pickford, D. Henderson, Pope
Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker, Coady, Maguire, Stones, Mings, Shaw, Chilwell
J. Henderson, Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Maddison, Lingard
Kane, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Rashford, Sancho, Grealish, Foden, Saka
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on May 23, 2021 15:53:40 GMT 1
Pickford, D. Henderson, Pope Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker, Coady, Maguire, Stones, Mings, Shaw, Chilwell J. Henderson, Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Maddison, Lingard Kane, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Rashford, Sancho, Grealish, Foden, Saka Not ruling it out but I don’t think he’ll name 3 right backs though I know Walker can play as right centre back if we play 3 at the back. Put Wan-Bissaka’s defending and Alexander-Arnold’s attacking together and you basically have the ultimate right back but I don’t think either of them will be in the squad. Name Godfrey in the squad as the extra defender and you’ve basically put an extra RB, CB and LB in the squad because of his versatility but I doubt he’d actually play unless there’s a major injury crisis. Ok I maybe have my Salop supporting specs on but Dier, Keane, Tarkowski are hardly must picks as the fifth centre back.
|
|
|
Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 23, 2021 18:49:32 GMT 1
The players on the edge depends on how much Southgate wants a back 3 or back 4 I think, and a few players bit questionable on fitness, but:
Who I'd pick: GK: Pickford, Henderson, Pope. DF: TAA, James, Walker, Maguire, Stones, Coady, Keane, Shaw, Chilwell. MF: Henderson, Rice, Ward-Prowse, Bellingham, Mount, Foden, Grealish, Saka FW: Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Sancho, Greenwood
What I expect:
GK: Pickford, Henderson, Pope. DF: Walker, Trippier, James, Maguire, Stones, Coady, Dier, Mings, Shaw, Chilwell. MF: Henderson, Rice, Phillips, Ward-Prowse, Bellingham, Mount, Foden, Grealish, FW: Kane, Rashford, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Sancho.
|
|
|
Post by horse01 on May 24, 2021 8:00:15 GMT 1
Just putting this out there, but what about Patrick Bamford? His record is second only to Harry Kane this season.
Kane - scored 23, assists 14 Bamford - scored 17, assists 7 Calvert-Lewin - scored 16, assists 0 Vardy - scored 15, assists 9 Watkins - scored 14, assists 5
|
|
|
Post by harboroughshrew on May 24, 2021 10:08:16 GMT 1
Pickford, D. Henderson, Pope Alexander-Arnold, Trippier, Walker, Coady, Maguire, Stones, Mings, Shaw, Chilwell J. Henderson, Rice, Bellingham, Mount, Maddison, Lingard Kane, Sterling, Calvert-Lewin, Rashford, Sancho, Grealish, Foden, Saka Not ruling it out but I don’t think he’ll name 3 right backs though I know Walker can play as right centre back if we play 3 at the back. Put Wan-Bissaka’s defending and Alexander-Arnold’s attacking together and you basically have the ultimate right back but I don’t think either of them will be in the squad. Name Godfrey in the squad as the extra defender and you’ve basically put an extra RB, CB and LB in the squad because of his versatility but I doubt he’d actually play unless there’s a major injury crisis. Ok I maybe have my Salop supporting specs on but Dier, Keane, Tarkowski are hardly must picks as the fifth centre back. Agree about Godfrey - he has been one of the standout defenders in the Premier League this season and his versatility makes him worth a place in the squad. For me Coady would start at centre-back but he has the disadvantage of not playing for one of the 'big six' teams. I do think Alexander-Arnold could well get his place back now he has recovered his form for Liverpool - his assist record is outstanding. Southgate's biggest headache is who to pick in attack alongside Kane - Sterling and Rashford have never let England down but neither are playing that well compared to their own very high standards. For me Foden must start - he is the most talented young English player I have seen since Gascoigne and I think Saka could also play some part, every time I watch an Arsenal game he is the best player on the pitch.
|
|
|
Post by sheltonsalopian on May 24, 2021 11:16:05 GMT 1
Would be an absolutely awful decision to leave TAA at home. The kid is 22 years old and is the most creative player in a team that's won the league and the champions league.
Pickford TAA Maguire Stones Shaw Bellingham Rice Sancho Mount Grealish Kane
Maybe swap in Rashford/Foden for one of the other two on the wings but that's our best 11 in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by chirkshrew on May 24, 2021 13:06:20 GMT 1
I would play Watkins and grealish together up top, drop kane---- well he couldn't do it in euro16 nor world cup18 against croatia when you needed him to do it, he always fails in the big game---- liverpool in cl final-- nowhere to be seen, but obviously a nailed on for southgate.we'll see when he plays against the big boys in the later rounds
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 24, 2021 13:31:06 GMT 1
Is Pope going to be fit? Must be a big doubt with a knee op. Is Jordan Henderson fit enough? He can't be yet but I expect the risk will be taken.
I hope Greenwood is chosen. He's a better finisher than Calvert-Lewin (who I'd also include for his aerial threat) or Watkins - or Sterling for that matter, but he has experience and brings something different.
Should be a decent squad on paper but then we've heard that often enough before.
|
|
|
Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 24, 2021 14:34:11 GMT 1
I was about to nominate Greenwood as the type of pure finisher we may need to come off the bench.
|
|
|
Post by chirkshrew on May 24, 2021 16:51:28 GMT 1
Sterling has had a poor season, and shocking on one v ones, he should never be starting games before foden
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on May 25, 2021 9:47:59 GMT 1
|
|
|
Post by sheltonsalopian on May 25, 2021 12:40:08 GMT 1
Reece James is in the provisional so can only assume that means TAA is left out. Think you've got this one very wrong Gareth.
|
|
|
Post by Chief Inspector Swan on May 25, 2021 12:59:37 GMT 1
Astonished nobody has commented on Godfrey making the provisional squad. Well done feller.
|
|
|
Post by South Stand Salopian on May 25, 2021 13:09:47 GMT 1
Provisional 33 man squad announced:
Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Manchester United), Sam Johnstone (West Brom), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Aaron Ramsdale (Sheffield United)
Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Ben Chilwell (Chelsea), Conor Coady (Wolves), Ben Godfrey (Everton), Reece James (Chelsea), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Tyrone Mings (Aston Villa), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City, Kieran Trippier (Atletico Madrid), Kyle Walker (Manchester City), Ben White (Brighton)
Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Jesse Lingard (West Ham), Mason Mount (Chelsea), Kalvin Phillips (Leeds), Declan Rice (West Ham), James Ward-Prowse (Southampton)
Forwards: Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Everton), Phil Foden (Man City), Jack Grealish (Aston Villa), Mason Greenwood (Manchester United), Harry Kane (Tottenham), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund), Raheem Sterling (Man City), Ollie Watkins (Aston Villa)
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 13:10:24 GMT 1
Reece James is in the provisional so can only assume that means TAA is left out. Think you've got this one very wrong Gareth. No, he's in. It's a 33 man provisional squad.
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 13:15:48 GMT 1
Pope not expected to recover from his minor op in time then. Feel sorry for him, he deserved a place.
Johnstone & Ramsdale are both good keepers but their clubs finished 19th & 20th and conceded 139 goals between them - they're used to being kept a lot busier than we'd hope an England goalkeeper would be!
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 13:29:28 GMT 1
The international nature of the Premier League (& top level club football generally) is illustrated by the fact that this squad isn't dominated by the "big six" but has players from 15 PL clubs. Only Burnley (who would have had Pope in), Palace, Newcastle, Fulham and, most surprisingly, Leicester don't provide any players.
There are 17 players from clubs in the Champions League (this season and next - same four clubs!), including the two from Dortmund and one from Atletico Madrid, which must help England's chances.
Man United provide 5 players (6 if Lingard is included), City 4, Chelsea, Everton and Villa 3, Liverpool & West Ham (with Lingard) 2. Spurs and Arsenal only have one each.
Be interesting to see the total numbers of players from each club going to the Euros when this squad is trimmed and other countries are included - well I think so anyway!
|
|
electrum
Midland League Division Two
Posts: 183
|
Post by electrum on May 25, 2021 13:51:19 GMT 1
Congratulations Ben Godfrey!!!
|
|
|
Post by LetchworthShrew on May 25, 2021 13:51:55 GMT 1
The international nature of the Premier League (& top level club football generally) is illustrated by the fact that this squad isn't dominated by the "big six" but has players from 15 PL clubs. Only Burnley (who would have had Pope in), Palace, Newcastle, Fulham and, most surprisingly, Leicester don't provide any players. There are 17 players from clubs in the Champions League (this season and next - same four clubs!), including the two from Dortmund and one from Atletico Madrid, which must help England's chances. Man United provide 5 players (6 if Lingard is included), City 4, Chelsea, Everton and Villa 3, Liverpool & West Ham (with Lingard) 2. Spurs and Arsenal only have one each. Be interesting to see the total numbers of players from each club going to the Euros when this squad is trimmed and other countries are included - well I think so anyway! Was looking at the Spain 26 man squad earlier which doesn't have any Real Madrid players in it.
There are 10 players from the PL (Man City 4, Brighton, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Man Utd & Wolves).
Man City have the largest single representation followed by Barcelone & Atletico Madrid with 3 each.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 14:08:45 GMT 1
I didn't make the cut.
Gutted.
|
|
|
Post by sheltonsalopian on May 25, 2021 14:46:35 GMT 1
Reece James is in the provisional so can only assume that means TAA is left out. Think you've got this one very wrong Gareth. No, he's in. It's a 33 man provisional squad. So he is... will be pleasantly surprised if he makes the full squad though
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 15:07:05 GMT 1
Congratulations Ben Godfrey!!! And Dean Henderson. Shouldn't take it for granted and it's great to have two ex-Salopians in the England squad.
|
|
|
Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 15:08:48 GMT 1
The international nature of the Premier League (& top level club football generally) is illustrated by the fact that this squad isn't dominated by the "big six" but has players from 15 PL clubs. Only Burnley (who would have had Pope in), Palace, Newcastle, Fulham and, most surprisingly, Leicester don't provide any players. There are 17 players from clubs in the Champions League (this season and next - same four clubs!), including the two from Dortmund and one from Atletico Madrid, which must help England's chances. Man United provide 5 players (6 if Lingard is included), City 4, Chelsea, Everton and Villa 3, Liverpool & West Ham (with Lingard) 2. Spurs and Arsenal only have one each. Be interesting to see the total numbers of players from each club going to the Euros when this squad is trimmed and other countries are included - well I think so anyway! Was looking at the Spain 26 man squad earlier which doesn't have any Real Madrid players in it.
There are 10 players from the PL (Man City 4, Brighton, Chelsea, Leeds, Liverpool, Man Utd & Wolves).
Man City have the largest single representation followed by Barcelone & Atletico Madrid with 3 each.
How many would have bet on Brighton, Leeds & Wolves having more players in the Spanish squad than Real Madrid!?
|
|
|
Post by lenny on May 25, 2021 15:29:27 GMT 1
Congratulations Ben Godfrey!!! And Dean Henderson. Shouldn't take it for granted and it's great to have two ex-Salopians in the England squad. Chuffed for them both, well deserved in each case after fantastic seasons. Huge squad - guess Southgate wanted to buy himself more time to wait on fitness for several players rather than sticking with naming the final squad today. At least 7 to drop out - if that's two keepers, potentially three unfit players with Henderson, Maguire and Phillips and one of the many RBs in this expanded group, then suddenly Godfrey has a really great shout at being in the final squad.
|
|
|
Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 25, 2021 15:31:55 GMT 1
Gareth is hedging his bets somewhat. From everyone's predictions above basically everyone is included!
Makes sense to assess fitness, but 33 seems like an awful lot.
|
|
|
Post by Rusholme Ruffian on May 25, 2021 15:44:22 GMT 1
And Dean Henderson. Shouldn't take it for granted and it's great to have two ex-Salopians in the England squad. Chuffed for them both, well deserved in each case after fantastic seasons. Huge squad - guess Southgate wanted to buy himself more time to wait on fitness for several players rather than sticking with naming the final squad today. At least 7 to drop out - if that's two keepers, potentially three unfit players with Henderson, Maguire and Phillips and one of the many RBs in this expanded group, then suddenly Godfrey has a really great shout at being in the final squad. Possibly depending on fitness it may be one of the utility defenders - so Godfrey v White Surprised not another holding midfielder as Phillips and Henderson could both miss out. Would presume GK X 1 CBs x 1/2 - Stones probably the only definite RB X 1 CM X 1 (or 2 if Henderson and Phillips are both not fit) Forwards X 1/2 - from Lingard, Watkins, Greenwood or Saka
|
|
|
Post by LetchworthShrew on May 25, 2021 16:49:30 GMT 1
Also Man City, Chelsea & Man Utd still have Euro finals to play yet so could pick up injuries.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on May 25, 2021 17:54:57 GMT 1
I'm surprised that Patrick Bamford didn't get the call.
|
|