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Post by vladimir on Jun 1, 2021 22:15:43 GMT 1
Once again the waiscoat w****r goes for his favourites and those that offer "versatility" than picking specialist players in form. He did it in 2018 selecting Dier, Delph and Phil Jones and he's done it again this time selecting 6 full backs including those who have been selected to play very averagely in a 3 .
How Bamford, Lingard or Godfrey /White haven't made this squad is beyond me.
Then again Southgate can best be summed up by the fact we will start against Croatia with Pickford in goal (shudder) and Grealish on the bench.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 1, 2021 22:27:33 GMT 1
The old saying 'a camel is a horse designed by a committee' comes to mind when looking at this squad which looks as if it has been selected by a committee. It looks unbalanced and also repeats the old mistake of taking injured players. Is Jordan Henderson so good he can play any meaningful role after having virtually no match time for three months? I think not. If Maguire cannot play say the first two games is it worth disrupting the defence to play him in the third game? As for the right back situation words fail me.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 1, 2021 22:45:43 GMT 1
Yes, southgates 'old school' ways will be his downfall I'm afraid.i can see pickford, henderson, walker, kane and sterling all starting in these first 3/4 games, then when it's to late bringing in grealish, foden, and t.a Arnold etc.hope I'm very wrong tho
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 2, 2021 11:06:47 GMT 1
Think Sterling can easily be dropped for me, his form since the turn of the year has been abysmal. Grealish or Foden all day over him on the left.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 2, 2021 11:12:16 GMT 1
Yes, southgates 'old school' ways will be his downfall I'm afraid.i can see pickford, henderson, walker, kane and sterling all starting in these first 3/4 games, then when it's to late bringing in grealish, foden, and t.a Arnold etc.hope I'm very wrong tho earlier in the season I had Pickford at number 2 or 3 but he’s been on great form towards the end of the season whereas deano hasn’t had his best period I think Pickford deserves the nod at the moment
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 11:18:15 GMT 1
Yes, agreed
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 2, 2021 11:56:29 GMT 1
I too am absolutely furious that the three time Premier League Golden Boot winner will be starting up front for England over Ollie Watkins.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 12:20:56 GMT 1
Good on ya bob, we'll see what the 3 times golden boot winner is like against the big boys again, if we get that far!!!!👍👍
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 2, 2021 12:26:34 GMT 1
To be fair though, we did make it to the semi finals. For the first time in a good while too.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 13:12:18 GMT 1
😂🤣half the goals he scored were penalties, and one of them was a fluke--- hit someone on the arse and went in !!!
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Post by Bob Rickerton on Jun 2, 2021 15:31:13 GMT 1
Good on ya bob, we'll see what the 3 times golden boot winner is like against the big boys again, if we get that far!!!!👍👍 Four career goals against Dortmund and Man United Six career goals against Liverpool and Chelsea Ten career goals against Everton Eleven career goals against Arsenal and West Ham Sixteen career goals against Leicester If you could kindly provide similar numbers for Ollie Watkins so we can make a comparison between the two that would be much appreciated. Cheers!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 15:33:23 GMT 1
No I wouldn't play sterling and kane, they had there chance in euro16 and world cup 18, kane was poor in world cup semi final against croatia, he was blowing through his arse, and still southgate didnt take him off--- and they had rashford and vardy on the bench, and that's why vardy retired from international football after that.mark my words if kane and sterling start the games---- we will fail again Kane is seen as one of the best strikers in the world, looking at £150m to sign him, finished top scorer in the last World Cup, but you wouldn’t play him because he didn’t have a good game against Croatia? Madness. I like Ollie Watkins but he isn’t and never will be anywhere near the same level as Kane.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 15:36:41 GMT 1
We'll see folks👍👍
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 2, 2021 16:42:09 GMT 1
Gotta get the form players in the team I think - Foden, Mount, James. I'd be disappointed if Sohthate reverts to likes of Sterling and Rashford who are not in form and Henderson, Maguire and Phillips who are not fit. Hope at least the players who have earned spots will feature at the start. Don't quite get the Kane hate though - by far and above the best English striker. Watkins has had a good season but to say he should be starting ahead of Kane is odd.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 18:11:01 GMT 1
Deffo dont hate kane, he just cant do it in big games.ie iceland16 croatia18, liverpool cl final--- never had a kick, but we'll see when the big games come round, come back and see me then, then I'll hold my hands up if he does it👍👍👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 19:00:55 GMT 1
Deffo dont hate kane, he just cant do it in big games.ie iceland16 croatia18, liverpool cl final--- never had a kick, but we'll see when the big games come round, come back and see me then, then I'll hold my hands up if he does it👍👍👍
Everyone was crap against Iceland, not many stood out against Croatia (and rewatch the Columbia game from a week before, he spent 120 minutes having the s**t kicked out of him and was carrying an injury thereafter) and he hadn't played in around 8 weeks before the CL final so was never going to be anywhere near 100%.
Will he have a good tournament, i've no idea. He has the talent, but he can't do it on his own. If he doesn't get the service he won't score, but if he does there's very few (if any) other players I would prefer with the ball in the penalty area.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 21:11:55 GMT 1
What's he been like tonight??? I'm watching wales v france
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 2, 2021 21:12:48 GMT 1
What's he been like tonight??? I'm watching wales v france Missed a one on one that a certain Villa striker may have put away
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 2, 2021 21:18:33 GMT 1
Godfrey just come on!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2021 21:40:12 GMT 1
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 2, 2021 21:50:59 GMT 1
Well all this talk about Trent Alexander-Arnold could well be academic.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 21:56:06 GMT 1
Turned it on (england) last 15 mins, austria should of scored at least 2/3 👍👍
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 2, 2021 22:00:44 GMT 1
Turned it on (england) last 15 mins, austria should of scored at least 2/3 👍👍 Don’t read too much into it, basically our B team, probably only 3 who featured today will start against Croatia in the first game I’d say.
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 2, 2021 22:01:30 GMT 1
Can't see the point of changing half the team in the last 15 minutes - England could well have lost that. Southgate clearly wanted to reward the guys he left out of the Euros squad but the disruption did nothing for the confidence of the others. With two players injured as well it was definitely not a great night.
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Post by filmcrewshrew1 on Jun 2, 2021 22:05:13 GMT 1
Tepid pre tournament performance as per.
Can’t help thinking these games are a Waste of time.
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Post by warringtonsalop on Jun 2, 2021 22:38:48 GMT 1
With TAA injured now it'll give him chance to bolster the midfield. Lingard or Warde-Prowse will probably slot into the final squad now.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 2, 2021 23:13:36 GMT 1
With TAA injured now it'll give him chance to bolster the midfield. Lingard or Warde-Prowse will probably slot into the final squad now. The team Southgate announced yesterday was the final squad.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 2, 2021 23:33:37 GMT 1
Tta wouldn't have started the tournament anyway, walker nailed on to play from the start.trent arnold can go home and rest up now👍👍
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Post by harboroughshrew on Jun 3, 2021 7:44:27 GMT 1
With TAA injured now it'll give him chance to bolster the midfield. Lingard or Warde-Prowse will probably slot into the final squad now. The team Southgate announced yesterday was the final squad. BBC Sport say England are allowed a replacement if TAA is ruled out through injury. Can't see it being another right back and with Grealish getting so many fouls he may well opt for Ward-Prowse.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 3, 2021 8:04:40 GMT 1
The team Southgate announced yesterday was the final squad. BBC Sport say England are allowed a replacement if TAA is ruled out through injury. Can't see it being another right back and with Grealish getting so many fouls he may well opt for Ward-Prowse. Yeah in that case I’d go for Ward-Prowse too.
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