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Post by venceremos on May 25, 2021 18:55:12 GMT 1
I'm surprised that Patrick Bamford didn't get the call. I like Bamford, seems a good guy and he's had a really good season to silence the doubters (like me) about whether he could cut it in the Premier League. He's unlucky to be up against some good competition that bring different options to the squad, although I think I might have chosen him ahead of Watkins.
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Post by chirkshrew on May 25, 2021 22:25:21 GMT 1
I like Watkins, him and grealish up top, would be ideal, they know each others game.deffo dont play sterling, he will offer nothing, but southgate will start kane and him, and will pay the price for it
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 1, 2021 10:36:02 GMT 1
Greenwood just withdrawn with an injury (or was told he wasn't in and decided to save face, who knows)
Leaves 6 more to be dropped. Rumours it'll be Ramsdale, Godfrey, Ben White, TAA, Watkins and Saka. (JWP as well, so maybe one of the CB's in)
Still think it's a massive mistake taking Trippier, James and Kyle Walker who are all very similar right back's and leaving TAA at home, sort of implies Southgate is planning to park the bus to the final, but who knows.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Jun 1, 2021 10:36:51 GMT 1
Grealish needs to start at the euros. I think a lot of people still don’t realise just how good/important he will be
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Post by Dancin on Jun 1, 2021 10:49:24 GMT 1
I know of at least three 'pool fans who would be happy for TAA not to go.
What time is the announcement?
I assume its on Sky and the Radio?
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 1, 2021 11:15:00 GMT 1
I know of at least three 'pool fans who would be happy for TAA not to go. What time is the announcement? I assume its on Sky and the Radio? Not sure but news has been leaked already so can't be far away, it has to be announced today though. Yeah might be a good thing for Trent as he gets an extended rest but still think it's a very big mistake.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 1, 2021 11:35:39 GMT 1
Greenwood just withdrawn with an injury (or was told he wasn't in and decided to save face, who knows) Leaves 6 more to be dropped. Rumours it'll be Ramsdale, Godfrey, Ben White, TAA, Watkins and Saka. (JWP as well, so maybe one of the CB's in) Still think it's a massive mistake taking Trippier, James and Kyle Walker who are all very similar right back's and leaving TAA at home, sort of implies Southgate is planning to park the bus to the final, but who knows. Man U have said it’s a pre existing injury and another tournament at this stage isn’t beneficial. I can actually see Watkins getting into the squad now.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 1, 2021 12:12:54 GMT 1
At the end of the day, t.a Arnold is a defender, and he cant do it,his positional play is poor, and a good top class winger, of which there are a few-- will skin him. Also grealish should be playing from the start--- he's way ahead of sterling, but I know what southgate will do---- stick to the 'old guard'
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 1, 2021 12:22:38 GMT 1
At the end of the day, t.a Arnold is a defender, and he cant do it,his positional play is poor, and a good top class winger, of which there are a few-- will skin him. Also grealish should be playing from the start--- he's way ahead of sterling, but I know what southgate will do---- stick to the 'old guard' Why take three " defender" type Right back's though, surely TAA's attacking play would be super useful against the majority of teams England will play against? Best attacking right back in world football
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 1, 2021 12:27:53 GMT 1
Alexander-Arnold’s defensive frailties are over-exaggerated, haven’t seen much of Trippier since he left Spurs but Walker and James certainly both make their fair share of errors including penalties and red cards.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 1, 2021 13:31:03 GMT 1
BBC Sport reporting they understand Lingard won’t make the final squad.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:53:10 GMT 1
Southgate will play walker, of that there is no doubt, kane and sterling up top----sterling has been poor, should be starting with foden or grealish, but he wont, and that will be southgates downfall
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 1, 2021 13:58:16 GMT 1
BBC : squad wil be announced at 17:00
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Post by venceremos on Jun 1, 2021 14:36:28 GMT 1
The Athletic asked 11 of its writers to pick their seven to miss out. If they're right collectively, the seven (in descending order of not being fancied) would be:
Ramsdale (10/11) Saka (10) White (9) Watkins (9) Godfrey (8) Lingard (7) Trippier or Ward-Prowse (6)
Greenwood's gone anyway & it's reported that Lingard will miss out as well. That could mean Watkins stays on, although I think Kane, Rashford, DC-L, Sterling, Foden & Sancho give plenty of options without him.
Maguire, Phillips & Jordan Henderson have fitness question marks so, if they're in the 26, there needs to be experienced cover. Unfortunately, we don't have that at centre back, not top level experience anyway, but it probably rules out Godfrey and White.
I'd certainly take Trippier. I suspect some are stuck with the vision of his errors as he was on his way out of Spurs but he's just played 28 games for the La Liga champions, in one of Europe's best defences, and has the experience against international opponents that others lack.
I'd also take Ward-Prowse, because of the injury risk with Henderson and Phillips.
Personally, I'd take Godfrey rather than Mings, but I may be biased in saying that. And I'd take TAA rather than James. His crossing and set piece delivery is too good to go without.
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Post by BlueAndAmber50 on Jun 1, 2021 14:52:31 GMT 1
Trent won’t go and it’s the right decision I think. James is a better defender than him & Walker is the first choice RB , should we go 5 at back Walker& James can slot in RCB.
Would like to see Trent given a chance as one of the holding midfielders but now isn’t the time for that
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jun 1, 2021 15:27:15 GMT 1
Alas a reason England has not been successful for so long. They genuinely have one of the most talented squads for these Euro's and we're going to be set up with a 3-5-2 with two holding midfielders and defensive wing backs. Why not embrace the attacking talent we have on display for once?
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Post by venceremos on Jun 1, 2021 15:44:26 GMT 1
We have a talented squad but I don't think its spine is strong enough to win a tournament. Hope I'm wrong but I fear we'll be exposed in the centre of defence and midfield.
Remember how Rakitic and Modric dominated midfield for Croatia in the World Cup semi 3 years ago? Many of us thought we were the stronger team going into that match, but it became clear quite quickly that we weren't strong enough where it really mattered.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 1, 2021 15:57:40 GMT 1
Should go 4-3-3 and actually take the game to teams.
3-5-2 is almost 7-2-1 at times with two holding midfielders.
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 1, 2021 17:02:37 GMT 1
We have a talented squad but I don't think its spine is strong enough to win a tournament. Hope I'm wrong but I fear we'll be exposed in the centre of defence and midfield. Remember how Rakitic and Modric dominated midfield for Croatia in the World Cup semi 3 years ago? Many of us thought we were the stronger team going into that match, but it became clear quite quickly that we weren't strong enough where it really mattered. Tend to agree. Rice and an unfit Henderson and Phillips aren't the quality England need in the middle. If you can get Mount playing as a pivot that would help, but will he be played further forward?
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jun 1, 2021 17:02:42 GMT 1
Should go 4-3-3 and actually take the game to teams. 3-5-2 is almost 7-2-1 at times with two holding midfielders. Something like: Pickford TAA - Stones - Maguire - Shaw Bellingham - Rice Sancho - Grealish - Mount Kane would have such exciting potential
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 1, 2021 17:06:12 GMT 1
England squad for UEFA EURO 2020 Goalkeepers: Dean Henderson (Manchester United), Sam Johnstone (West Bromwich Albion), Jordan Pickford (Everton) Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Ben Chilwell (Chelsea), Conor Coady (Wolverhampton Wanderers), Reece James (Chelsea), Harry Maguire (Manchester United), Tyrone Mings (Aston Villa), Luke Shaw (Manchester United), John Stones (Manchester City), Kieran Trippier (Atletico Madrid), Kyle Walker (Manchester City) Midfielders: Jude Bellingham (Borussia Dortmund), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Mason Mount (Chelsea), Kalvin Phillips (Leeds United), Declan Rice (West Ham United) Forwards: Dominic Calvert-Lewin (Everton), Phil Foden (Manchester City), Jack Grealish (Aston Villa), Harry Kane (Tottenham Hotspur), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Bukayo Saka (Arsenal), Jadon Sancho (Borussia Dortmund), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City)
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 1, 2021 17:42:10 GMT 1
according to SSN the players not in the squad were asked if they wanted to stay with the group, suggestions Lingard will actually start in tomorrows friendly!!
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Jun 1, 2021 17:47:31 GMT 1
For such a big squad it lacks depth in some areas and massively over subscribed in some positions. Not a single natural right sided forward or even one who is regularly playing there in their club role, and limited central midfield options. I guess the extra numbers has meant you can include semi fit players but still seems a gamble to not have back ups in the positions they operate in. Ward Prowse has been very unlikely I think, and surprised White and Godfrey both miss out.
Think James' switch to playing RCB recently has meant all 4 RBs are included, but I'm not sure Walker and James are comfortable playing centre back in a back 4, so it still feels a little odd.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 1, 2021 17:47:52 GMT 1
according to SSN the players not in the squad were asked if they wanted to stay with the group, suggestions Lingard will actually start in tomorrows friendly!! Jesse lingard has been in the form of his life since joining west ham, he must be gutted especially with Declan rice getting the nod
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Post by LetchworthShrew on Jun 1, 2021 17:52:43 GMT 1
On SSN Darren Bent's starting XI for Croatia has Henderson in goal
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2021 18:07:16 GMT 1
I like Watkins, him and grealish up top, would be ideal, they know each others game.deffo dont play sterling, he will offer nothing, but southgate will start kane and him, and will pay the price for it I’m glad you’re not England manager if you’d seriously start Grealish and Watkins over Sterling and Kane.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 1, 2021 19:26:38 GMT 1
I take it I’m alone in this but I would’ve took Ward-Prowse. With Grealish hopefully playing a big part just think of how many free kicks he’d win around the edge of the penalty area. Ward Prowse definitely our best free kick taker since Beckham. Shame Godfrey didn’t go but I understand. Not going to argue with any of the others that are left out.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 1, 2021 21:12:23 GMT 1
I take it I’m alone in this but I would’ve took Ward-Prowse. With Grealish hopefully playing a big part just think of how many free kicks he’d win around the edge of the penalty area. Ward Prowse definitely our best free kick taker since Beckham. Shame Godfrey didn’t go but I understand. Not going to argue with any of the others that are left out. Not alone, I'd have taken him. If Henderson or Phillips aren't fully fit we'll look even more stretched in central midfield than we do now.
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Post by venceremos on Jun 1, 2021 21:17:28 GMT 1
For such a big squad it lacks depth in some areas and massively over subscribed in some positions. Not a single natural right sided forward or even one who is regularly playing there in their club role, and limited central midfield options. Think James' switch to playing RCB recently has meant all 4 RBs are included, but I'm not sure Walker and James are comfortable playing centre back in a back 4, so it still feels a little odd. Isn't Sancho a right sided forward? He's listed in the squad as a forward and Man United seem set on him being the answer to their right side attacking deficiencies. I agree about the four right backs. I know Walker and James can play as right sided CBs but not in a back four surely? I'd only have taken one of them. Pretty sure one or two of these RBs will sit out the whole tournament - I just hope we're not desperately short somewhere else as a consequence.
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 1, 2021 21:49:40 GMT 1
No I wouldn't play sterling and kane, they had there chance in euro16 and world cup 18, kane was poor in world cup semi final against croatia, he was blowing through his arse, and still southgate didnt take him off--- and they had rashford and vardy on the bench, and that's why vardy retired from international football after that.mark my words if kane and sterling start the games---- we will fail again
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