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Post by salop27 on Jul 6, 2022 20:43:39 GMT 1
Being reported that Boris refuses to quit. He really is the pits. I hope Zadawi and all the others now resign, so he’s left a cabinet of Dorries and Rees-Mogg. Actually Johnson refusing to quit is the right decision for him and the Conservative MPs. They chose him to lead them and knew better then everyone what his track record was. The general public then gave him a large mandate to govern for five years despite his previous issues as well. So despite everything why should he quit when everyone knew what they were voting for! He was elected democratically and will have to be removed so. Probably starting on Monday when the 1922 committee will no doubt amend the rules and allow another no confidence vote.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 6, 2022 20:45:52 GMT 1
It’s always been about him, not the country, not the Tory party, but him. Sense of entitlement which perhaps comes with an Eton education.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 6, 2022 20:49:09 GMT 1
Being reported that Boris refuses to quit. He really is the pits. I hope Zadawi and all the others now resign, so he’s left a cabinet of Dorries and Rees-Mogg. Actually Johnson refusing to quit is the right decision for him and the Conservative MPs. They chose him to lead them and knew better then everyone what his track record was. The general public then gave him a large mandate to govern for five years despite his previous issues as well. So despite everything why should he quit when everyone knew what they were voting for! He was elected democratically and will have to be removed so. Probably starting on Monday when the 1922 committee will no doubt amend the rules and allow another no confidence vote. But it’s the damage he’s doing to politics in the country, the damage he’s doing to our international reputation that would lead most to make sacrifices for the national good, but not him. As I said above, it’s all about him. The concept of service to the country appears to be alien to him.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jul 6, 2022 21:21:19 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2022 21:23:00 GMT 1
Some interesting observations by Boris's ex mistress, Petronella Wyatt. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10988473/Boris-Johnsons-ex-girlfriend-Petronella-Wyatt-says-PM-bereft-humility-NEVER-resign.htmlThe unpalatable truth is that Boris and Putin share similarities. Johnson's instincts are those of the dictator. 'He once told me that he idolised medieval kings because they didn't 'have to bother with voters' and had 'a free pass to do as they pleased'. 'In the universe of Boris, he is king, not Prime Minister. ' She said the appointment of Rishi Sunak and Sajid Javid as Chancellor and Health Secretary were 'because they were 'yes men'. 'He dislikes cabinet government, and is pathologically intolerant of competition and has from the very beginning appointed yes men and nodding marionettes. 'He would have been shocked that they are no longer agreeing with him. He cannot take unpalatable truths. 'Had he possessed a strategy or any beliefs beyond the conviction he should be in Downing Street, he might have got away with it. 'It is unfortunate that he has no convictions, has always sought to avoid hard work, and becomes bored by detail. As far as Boris in concerned, he is going nowhere. And if his whole cabinet resigned he would simply appoint a new one.'
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2022 21:24:12 GMT 1
Whatever next?!? This is crazy.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 6, 2022 21:30:53 GMT 1
Similarities between Boris and Putin, but more so with Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2022 21:33:45 GMT 1
Boris is acting like a spoilt child, kick him out someone for God's sake 😳
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 6, 2022 21:42:43 GMT 1
Don't worry, I'm sure block12 will be along shortly to tell us we're out of touch and actually the British public love this style of government.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 6, 2022 21:43:59 GMT 1
Yes just get rid of him.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Jul 6, 2022 21:49:56 GMT 1
I think you’re wrong. I think most people have always been happy arguing policy, and let’s be honest there’s been some heated debate about that. No one, and I do mean no one, has ever invited ridicule criticism and bile upon themselves like johnson has on so many levels in such proportions. what's happening in parliament would be deemed as bullying in the workplace if it happened anywhere else would you quit if you a, thought you were going a great job ? b, have done some great things during covid c, stats are very good here and there but several colleagues keep mocking you non stop the real shambles is the system we have for election/de-election its like watching a circus Three points of order: 1) It’s not bullying it’s just the way politics is in this country, archaic yes but still a process. 2) Even if it was bullying, he’s already condoned bullying in government by his lack of action about Priti Patel. 3) It’s far more entertaining than the circus.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 6, 2022 21:57:29 GMT 1
Throw this one into the mix. www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/06/johnson-admits-to-private-meeting-with-ex-kgb-agentBoris Johnson has admitted for the first time that he had met ex-KGB agent Alexander Lebedev at an Italian palazzo without officials present in April 2018, when he was foreign secretary. The prime minister told MPs that he had “certainly met” Lebedev, also the former owner of the Independent, and acknowledged that the meeting took place privately, and, after a pause, said the encounter took place “in Italy as it happens”. In fact, Johnson had made a trip to a restored castle in Perugia owned by Evgeny Lebedev, Alexander’s son, in April 2018 for a weekend long-party immediately after attending a Nato foreign ministers’ meeting in Brussels that discussed the security situation with Russia. Johnson was responding to questions from Labour’s Meg Hillier at the Commons liaison committee on Wednesday. When pressed over whether he had reported the party meeting to Foreign Office officials, he added: “I think I did mention it, yes”. A record of the trip was initially disclosed by Johnson in the register of members’ interests, which recorded that he had an “overnight stay” with Evgeny Lebedev on Saturday 28 April, travelling “accompanied by a spouse, family member or friend”. But Johnson travelled alone.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 6, 2022 21:59:36 GMT 1
Whatever next?!? This is crazy. Revenge for Fove standing against him for the leadership last time when Give said he would back Johnson.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 6, 2022 22:00:12 GMT 1
what's happening in parliament would be deemed as bullying in the workplace if it happened anywhere else would you quit if you a, thought you were going a great job ? b, have done some great things during covid c, stats are very good here and there but several colleagues keep mocking you non stop the real shambles is the system we have for election/de-election its like watching a circus Three points of order: 1) It’s not bullying it’s just the way politics is in this country, archaic yes but still a process. 2) Even if it was bullying, he’s already condoned bullying in government by his lack of action about Priti Patel. 3) It’s far more entertaining than the circus. 4. Is it really possible to bully a bully?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 6:51:20 GMT 1
In a strange (arguably childish) way, I don't want to see him resign, I want to see what he does and how far he goes as he desperately clings onto power. We really are into the final moments of the film when the baddie has lost all the people around him and is holed up in his luxury villa with only his sidekick still with him.
Of course I recognise that its not really a laughing matter as ultimately we (the general public) are being failed as our government implodes and there of course will be implications of this, however it's sure entertaining to watch.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 7, 2022 7:20:37 GMT 1
More resignations already this morning. Lord knows how this is set to play out as anyone else would have stepped aside already by now. Looks as though they went too early on that confidence vote and unless they change the rules somehow, I gather this is now on Johnson and when and whether he wants to stand aside. And if he is determined to stay. Perhaps it will finally come down to how many are left who are willing to fill those ever increasing vacant positions...
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 7, 2022 7:21:53 GMT 1
Protests next, surely?
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 7, 2022 7:26:46 GMT 1
In a strange (arguably childish) way, I don't want to see him resign, I want to see what he does and how far he goes as he desperately clings onto power. I guess as long as he has some within the party who are willing to fill government positions I gather he'll just continue as is. If he means to carry on. Although its not a given he does have those numbers, mind. At 49 now. Lets see how high that goes. Lets see if he has others willing to replace those who have resigned. I gather anyhow. I guess that's how this works.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Jul 7, 2022 8:26:26 GMT 1
Three points of order: 1) It’s not bullying it’s just the way politics is in this country, archaic yes but still a process. 2) Even if it was bullying, he’s already condoned bullying in government by his lack of action about Priti Patel. 3) It’s far more entertaining than the circus. 4. Is it really possible to bully a bully? 5. The whole thing has happened because he ignored the victim of a sexual assault, promoted the perpetrator to a position of care, who then did it again and he lied that he knew about the original case and got some of his ministers to deny that happened on the media rounds only to change the story so they also look ridiculous
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Post by Pilch on Jul 7, 2022 8:29:12 GMT 1
what's happening in parliament would be deemed as bullying in the workplace if it happened anywhere else would you quit if you a, thought you were going a great job ? b, have done some great things during covid c, stats are very good here and there but several colleagues keep mocking you non stop the real shambles is the system we have for election/de-election its like watching a circus Three points of order: 1) It’s not bullying it’s just the way politics is in this country, archaic yes but still a process. 2) Even if it was bullying, he’s already condoned bullying in government by his lack of action about Priti Patel. 3) It’s far more entertaining than the circus. several replied and all jumped on the tongue-in cheek bits but all ignored the important bit , the rules are wrong , they need changing , they are so 1922 😜 they might wake up and change them today
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Post by block12massive on Jul 7, 2022 8:30:54 GMT 1
Don't worry, I'm sure block12 will be along shortly to tell us we're out of touch and actually the British public love this style of government. A timely reminder that even when Johnson is ousted, the rosette of the ruling party will still be the same colour as the background of this forum.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 7, 2022 8:38:07 GMT 1
But hopefully the leader will be someone who we can feel is representing our country rather than himself. Surely not too much to ask.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 7, 2022 8:59:46 GMT 1
Even under May/Cameron if you didn't agree with them you knew they at least respected the office they held, clinging on to power like this is giving me Trump vibes and the only positive we used to have with the state of our politics was at least it wasn't as bad as the US. Don't think we can continue to say that with the current situation.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 9:09:01 GMT 1
So the Chancellor of Exchequer has called for him to go and the Education Secretary has resigned, both of these were appointed by him 2 days ago.
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Jul 7, 2022 9:11:57 GMT 1
I take it back, he's resigning! British politics isn't as bad as I said ten minutes ago!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2022 9:30:20 GMT 1
Supposedly resigning as Tory Leader but will be PM until October. Could be an 'interesting' few months
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 7, 2022 9:35:17 GMT 1
Good news for everyone. Presumably he won’t be able to carry much forward though although I guess now he’s resigned they will fall into line.
Whoever they appoint will have flaws but I’m guessing not as many as Boris!
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Post by Pilch on Jul 7, 2022 9:53:17 GMT 1
But hopefully the leader will be someone who we can feel is representing our country rather than himself. Surely not too much to ask. that's not a problem , some already have a draft written disagreeing with the first decision ( insert name here ) makes 😜
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jul 7, 2022 9:55:48 GMT 1
You really can't help but think that this is the best outcome for the UK. The time and the effort that is being spent and wasted in shoring this premiership up again and again can be better spent. More so with the huge number of challenges currently ongoing. Those around Johnson and the government must be exhausted, having to move from one incident to the next again and again. I mean that Pincher episode was inexcusable and taken in isolation, perhaps could have been excused...but with everything that's come before its hardly surprising that that was the straw that broke the camels back. Soooooo. Who now. Who's next.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 7, 2022 9:58:04 GMT 1
And that’s the point. Too many errors, lies or whatever you want to call them in one man.
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