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Post by Pilch on Jul 4, 2022 12:07:21 GMT 1
some people are total idiots they know who they are The trouble is, Pilch, they don't. There's one in America who still thinks he didn't loose the last election. there are one or two over here who still don't understand how democracy works
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 12:34:42 GMT 1
The trouble is, Pilch, they don't. There's one in America who still thinks he didn't loose the last election. there are one or two over here who still don't understand how democracy works But we make allowances for you. One day you might realise that voting is important and use yours in a democratic election.
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Post by Worthingshrew on Jul 4, 2022 12:52:16 GMT 1
Having the whip withdrawn is hardly a punishment, and they will still vote with the Tories.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 12:57:06 GMT 1
Having the whip withdrawn is hardly a punishment, and they will still vote with the Tories. It is for a lot of Tory MPs, they like the whip and many other perversions. I think it's the Public School background.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2022 13:25:19 GMT 1
Hope so, and if he is found to have broken the law he should resign immediately.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 13:54:06 GMT 1
Hope so, and if he is found to have broken the law he should resign immediately. He did say he would, unlike the leader of another party and the country who shall remain nameless.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 4, 2022 16:33:03 GMT 1
Hope so, and if he is found to have broken the law he should resign immediately. He did say he would, unlike the leader of another party and the country who shall remain nameless. its nothing more than a necessity for labour this as it stands starmer is not going to win the next election, and needs to walk if guilty , he walks and the new leader comes in and batters Boris with how he should have done the same if not guilty starmer stays and has a lifeline and no doubt will mention his morals v those of boris once or twice ( this will be the blue and amber pattern too ) either way labour can't lose, except it means Boris will have to go and then labour lose such is life
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 18:11:06 GMT 1
He did say he would, unlike the leader of another party and the country who shall remain nameless. its nothing more than a necessity for labour this as it stands starmer is not going to win the next election, and needs to walk if guilty , he walks and the new leader comes in and batters Boris with how he should have done the same if not guilty starmer stays and has a lifeline and no doubt will mention his morals v those of boris once or twice ( this will be the blue and amber pattern too ) either way labour can't lose, except it means Boris will have to go and then labour lose such is life So what you are saying is Kier Starmer puts the party first, Boris puts Boris first, every time.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 4, 2022 18:36:40 GMT 1
I don’t know which is worse. Boris saying such behaviour has been dealt with when it hasn’t or Boris saying he knew nothing which would indicate that he has no idea of the calibre of candidate his grass roots party are nominating.
Either way he’s useless.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 19:39:48 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 4, 2022 19:46:34 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/04/no-10-pm-was-aware-of-some-claims-about-chris-pincher-in-februaryA classic exercise in obfuscation by a proven liar. Boris Johnson was aware of some allegations relating to Chris Pincher when the MP for Tamworth was appointed deputy chief whip in February, Downing Street has admitted. No 10 conceded that Johnson was aware of allegations that were “either resolved or did not proceed to a formal complaint” in relation to Pincher, who resigned last week over reports that he drunkenly groped two men in a London club. Since then, a number of further allegations have emerged, which Pincher denies, that he groped people, including Tory MPs. The admission came after No 10 said on Friday that Johnson was not aware of any “specific allegations” about Pincher, who had the whip suspended on Friday when one of his alleged victims made a complaint to the independent complaints and grievance scheme (ICGS). A whips office source subsequently acknowledged on Sunday that a “matter” had been raised about Pincher at the time of the February reshuffle in which he was promoted. Downing Street’s position shifted again on Monday morning. Johnson’s official spokesman said: “At the time of the appointment, the prime minister was not aware of any specific allegations being looked at. The prime minister was aware of media reports that others had seen over the years and some allegations that were either resolved or did not proceed to a formal complaint.”
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 4, 2022 20:16:47 GMT 1
Why would you promote someone who had had allegations levelled at them, especially to the whips office? Are they that short of people willing to work for Boris?
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 4, 2022 21:20:12 GMT 1
I would say he’s running out of ‘buddies’.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2022 7:13:15 GMT 1
I would say he’s running out of ‘buddies’. Don’t worry, he’s still got a few on here who seem to want to do anything except criticise him.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 5, 2022 8:02:05 GMT 1
Time to get real i think. The wheels have well and truly come off.
There's the mountain of sleaze that grows by the day and the conservatives complete lack of ideas in the face of an economic crisis which will soon have most of the public sectir put on strike, egged on by private sector workers also hoping for increased benefits by osmosis. Yesterday's reports on wage stagnation since 2008 are brutal.
All of that should be enough on its own but we've also now got the very real issue of a resurgence of covid (stats conveniently went weekly at the start of this month but for the last ten days or so we've been averaging 1k+ hospital admissions daily) which this government simply doesn't have the moral authority to do anything about so is trying desperately to sweep under the carpet.
People can try and false equivalence their way out of this with "they're all just as bad as each other" but we're beyond that now. The government functionally cannot govern anymore and needs to be replaced by a party that doesn't have 2/3 of the country in open revolt.
As an aside, where's all the "if only we were more like the French" guys now? UK unions and similar are doing a pretty great job of making their voices heard without the need for a single petrol bomb being thrown.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 5, 2022 8:02:58 GMT 1
i looked in here expecting a torrent of angry people wanting to know why beergate decisions wasnt announced yesterday , and then i realised starmer isn't a tory 😜🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 5, 2022 8:05:56 GMT 1
i looked in here expecting a torrent of angry people wanting to know why beergate decisions wasnt announced yesterday , and then i realised starmer isn't a tory 😜🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Looks like that beergate story was a plant by all accounts. Durham police just said they wouldn't reveal anything until the investigation was concluded. Distraction technique basically to try and take some of the heat off Boris.
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Post by staffordshrew on Jul 5, 2022 8:56:01 GMT 1
i looked in here expecting a torrent of angry people wanting to know why beergate decisions wasnt announced yesterday , and then i realised starmer isn't a tory 😜🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Weren't we told to wait for the conclusion of Partygate investigations many times by Boris? Then, when they were complete, Boris sent them £50 and tried to get us all to forget about it. Be patient Starmer bashers.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 8:58:01 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/jul/05/no-10-not-telling-truth-over-chris-pincher-says-former-top-civil-servantBoris Johnson’s claim that he was not aware of prior specific allegations against Chris Pincher is falling apart, after a former top civil servant wrote a formal letter to allege that Downing Street’s version of events was untrue. In a highly unusual move, Simon McDonald, who had been the most senior official in the Foreign Office and is now a crossbench peer, told the parliamentary standards commissioner that the prime minister was briefed in person about a 2019 complaint about alleged groping by the former Tory deputy chief whip. Dominic Raab, who was foreign secretary at the time, confirmed to the BBC that he had launched an investigation into claims about Pincher, then a junior foreign office minister, who resigned as deputy chief whip after being accused of drunkenly groping two men.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 9:03:14 GMT 1
i looked in here expecting a torrent of angry people wanting to know why beergate decisions wasnt announced yesterday , and then i realised starmer isn't a tory 😜🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Weren't we told to wait for the conclusion of Partygate investigations many times by Boris? Then, when they were complete, Boris sent them £50 and tried to get us all to forget about it. Be patient Starmer bashers. Those investigations are not complete. The Met is being taken to Court under the judicial review process because of their failure to adequately investigate a number of the parties.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jul 5, 2022 9:06:41 GMT 1
Put it this way; if there really is a super injunction then GB News, Skwawkbox and other fringe sources that started this rumour will be being sued into oblivion in short order (whole point of a super injunction is it applies to anyone who's aware of its terms so by learning of its existence you become bound by it) and it also suggests a judge felt there were sufficient grounds to grant it, probably on the basis that Starmer would hypothetically be appealing it so in that case, the case isn't really over is it?
I'm no legal expert but did have some professional dealings with these kind of injunctions in the dim and distant past and as far as I'm aware, public interest is generally one of the reasons that prevents one being taken out. Seems more likely that s**t stirrers are aware they can say there's an injunction with impunity and get away with it because none exists whilst respectable sources won't repeat the claim either way (and inevitably be accused of a "cover up").
Any which way you cut it though, the whole thing is a non story because the case evidently hasn't concluded but even if it did result in a fine for Starmer, so what? He quits, someone else takes over, Boris is still doomed. There's probably still a reservoir of sleaze waiting to be leaked on the guy. All a very weak attempt to deflect from Boris' failings.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 10:03:45 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 14:52:18 GMT 1
Lord Kerslake, the former head of the civil service, told Radio 4’s World at One that Downing Street’s handling of the Chris Pincher affair showed a “pattern of constantly trying to mislead, confuse stories and not come clean when the issue arises”.
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Post by Pilch on Jul 5, 2022 15:14:33 GMT 1
i looked in here expecting a torrent of angry people wanting to know why beergate decisions wasnt announced yesterday , and then i realised starmer isn't a tory 😜🍺🍺🍺🍺🍺 Weren't we told to wait for the conclusion of Partygate investigations many times by Boris? remind us if you waited patiently ?
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 15:19:46 GMT 1
"Sir, I am disheartened to learn that Chris Pincher is seeking "professional medical support" after allegedly assaulting two others while severely intoxicated in a private club. I wonder if I might save him the effort. The diagnosis is being unfit for public office. I'm afraid we don't do tablets for that".
Dr C.J.M Lawson. Cardiologist. Usk. Monmouthshire.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 15:47:13 GMT 1
“Hello, is that President Zelenskiy’s office? It’s Downing Street here. Prime Minister Johnson was wondering if the president is free to take a call?”
This seems to be a regular occurrencee in Kyiv and, amazingly, such calls often seem to coincide with days when Boris Johnson is facing some sort of domestic turmoil in London. No 10 has denied that Johnson reaches for the hotline to Ukraine as a distraction technique but, as the i’s Jane Merrick reported recently, the evidence to the contrary is compelling.
And, lo and behold, guess who Boris Johnson has been calling this morning.
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 15:50:01 GMT 1
Sir Roger Gale, the Tory MP and long-standing critic of Boris Johnson, said Simon McDonald’s letter shows the prime minister lied, PA Media reports. Gale said he will now support a change of the rules of the Conservative 1922 Committee to allow a fresh vote of confidence in the PM to go ahead within 12 months of the previous one.
Gale told the BBC:
Mr Johnson has for three days now been sending ministers - in one case a cabinet minister - out to defend the indefensible, effectively to lie on his behalf. That cannot be allowed to continue.
This prime minister has trashed the reputation of a proud and honourable party for honesty and decency and that is not acceptable.
It is so blatant a lie it has to be acted upon as swiftly as possible by my party.
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Post by davycrockett on Jul 5, 2022 15:58:54 GMT 1
Bless him his memory’s going….. www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2022/07/05/boris-johnson-chris-pincher-keir-starmer-brexit-fuel-protests/“ Downing Street has suggested Boris Johnson forgot he was briefed about a formal complaint against Chris Pincher as No 10 rejected accusations it had lied about the scandal.
No 10 initially claimed on Friday that Mr Johnson had not been aware of any “specific allegations” against Mr Pincher at the time of the February reshuffle.
It then changed its position yesterday as it said the PM was aware of claims made against Mr Pincher before he was appointed to the role of deputy chief whip but they had either been “resolved or did not progress to a formal complaint”.
Downing Street today confirmed that Mr Johnson was briefed on a 2019 complaint made against Mr Pincher when he was a Foreign Office minister but the PM had initially failed to “recall” that he had been told about it.”
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Post by northwestman on Jul 5, 2022 16:04:14 GMT 1
Downing Street has suggested Boris Johnson forgot he was briefed about a formal complaint against Chris Pincher as No 10 rejected accusations it had lied about the scandal.
Johnson also 'forgot' to mention about vital whatsapp messages with Lord Brownlow when being investigated by Lord Geidt over 'wallpapergate'.
Very selective memory has Boris.
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Post by ssshrew on Jul 5, 2022 16:04:16 GMT 1
Bless him aren’t the first words that come to my mind I must confess!!
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