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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2021 15:29:10 GMT 1
during his answering questions from the commitie via a video call, the committee picked up that he kept looking left prior to answering many of the questions, they asked him was he been coached and he denied it, he was also chalenged and acused of lying during his original written testimony were he said he was not present at any of the salmond meetings at his house, he then admittted he walked in as the meeting was coming to an end.you can make of that what you wish
"Sturgeon's 'shifty' husband accused of being 'coached' off screen at Salmond inquiry"
Scottish Tory MSPs are calling for police to investigate Nicola Sturgeon's husband for alleged perjury after he was accused of lying under oath during a 'dismal and shifty' performance at Holyrood's Alex Salmond inquiry.
In the Zoom call, SNP's chief executive, Peter Murrell also denied being coached by someone off-screen while giving video link evidence when he appeared to look to his left when being asked difficult questions on Monday's inquiry."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2021 18:25:55 GMT 1
the enquiery committee have made a number of complaints about the difficulty in obtaining information they requierd. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-54343018A committee was set up to look into the botched investigation, which the government admitted had been unlawful. But convener Linda Fabiani said it had been "completely frustrated" by the lack of evidence being handed over. She said the committee was still awaiting responses from the government, Mr Salmond and SNP chief Peter Murrell. This has meant the committee has been unable to hold further evidence sessions, with Ms Fabiani saying the inquiry "simply cannot proceed at this stage". Another member of the committee, Labour MSP Jackie Baillie, claimed that it was being treated as a "laughing stock" by the Scottish government and "many others involved in this affair". And Murdo Fraser of the Scottish Conservatives, who is also on the committee, said the inquiry was becoming a "whitewash" www.heraldscotland.com/news/19142338.douglas-ross---scottish-conservatives-will-seek-hold-vote-no-confidence-john-swinney-week/"Mr Ross said the Deputy First Minister "manipulated the flow of information". "He claimed that the documents showed the government did not ignore advice from counsel, which was contradicted by the very documents he published," he said. "John Swinney's position has become untenable. He has disrespected the Scottish Parliament repeatedly, blatantly withheld evidence from a parliamentary inquiry and tried to mislead the public." www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9335783/Scottish-Tories-ahead-vote-no-confidence-Nicola-Sturgeons-deputy.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field"According to the poll, 43 per cent said their trust in Ms Sturgeon had fallen due to the inquiry. The Panelbase research found just one in three Scottish voters believe Ms Sturgeon has been entirely honest about the Salmond affair. A third of voters wanted the First Minister to resign - with the figure rising to 61 per cent if she is found to have broken the ministerial code by an independent review."
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 7, 2021 18:27:07 GMT 1
hardly a suprise this review is needed after the criticism raised by the redaction of some of salmonds evidence www.heraldscotland.com/news/19141113.grandee-ming-campbell-recommends-shakeup-scots-law-system-amid-lord-advocate-impartiality-row/"A SCOTTISH peer has suggested that the country’s legal system may need a rethink in the wake of questions about the impartiality of the role of the Lord Advocate. Liberal Democrat grandee Sir Ming Campbell said Scotland should consider giving greater authority to the Crown Office and Procurator Fiscal Service (COPFS), and appointing a role similar to the Director of Public Prosecutions (DPP) in England and Wales to lead it."
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Post by Worthingshrew on Mar 7, 2021 21:07:44 GMT 1
Fifty times during her questioning in the Scottish parliament, Sturgeon answered..... 'I don't know' or 'I don't recall'. I don't know if she's fit to be First Minister. She should take a leaf from the PM who would just brazenly lie.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 17:54:45 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9342195/Scottish-ministers-say-NO-records-key-meetings-Sturgeon-lawyers.html"Nicola Sturgeon's deputy John Swinney (inset) has confirmed to a Holyrood committee that minutes cannot be found of discussions with lawyers on two key dates. The admission risks fuelling the furious row threatening to tear the SNP and Scottish government apart - with Ms Sturgeon (right) denying that she misled Parliament over the handling of complaints against Alex Salmond (left). According to evidence provided to the committee of inquiry, Ms Sturgeon and Leslie Evans, Scotland's most senior civil servant, held meetings with external legal advisers on November 2 and November 13 2018 about a judicial review brought by Mr Salmond."
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Post by servernaside on Mar 9, 2021 19:11:51 GMT 1
It stinks.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 19:16:33 GMT 1
iv never heard of a meeting were lawyers were present were no notes were taken ? equally lawyers dont tend to mislay notes during sucvh an important meeting not once but twice !!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 19:38:48 GMT 1
sturegons leadership has been a positive for the SNP so the level of trust in sturegon and the snp may not transfer to voting for another party but it has been damaging. www.scotsman.com/news/politics/poll-suggests-no-vote-lead-as-salmond-inquiry-drives-voters-away-from-scottish-independence-3157134"A total of 43 per cent now trust Ms Sturgeon less due to the inquiry, up seven points since December, with 26 per cent trusting her more, also up 7 per cent, with those saying they trust her the same at 25 per cent, down 12 per cent. Trust in the SNP is also dropping, with 45 per cent stating they trust the party less than before the Salmond inquiry, up 8 per cent from the last time this question was asked. Almost half of Scots (46 per cent, up 5 per cent), say they trust the Scottish Government less due to the scandal."
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Post by servernaside on Mar 9, 2021 20:14:33 GMT 1
When, and if, it comes to an independence referendum, I don't see why should voting be restricted only to current residents of Scotland, many of whom may not in fact be Scots. Surely a more representative election on such a crucial issue should include all Scots i.e. people born in Scotland who now be living in different parts of the UK.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 9, 2021 21:18:09 GMT 1
When, and if, it comes to an independence referendum, I don't see why should voting be restricted only to current residents of Scotland, many of whom may not in fact be Scots. Surely a more representative election on such a crucial issue should include all Scots i.e. people born in Scotland who now be living in different parts of the UK. i did not know that which i find odd ,is that the same in welsh and norther ireland parliments .
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Post by servernaside on Mar 10, 2021 9:32:17 GMT 1
When, and if, it comes to an independence referendum, I don't see why should voting be restricted only to current residents of Scotland, many of whom may not in fact be Scots. Surely a more representative election on such a crucial issue should include all Scots i.e. people born in Scotland who now be living in different parts of the UK. i did not know that which i find odd ,is that the same in welsh and norther ireland parliments . I believe so. Referenda have been carried out on the basis of residency, rather than allowing all nationals to vote.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 10:37:40 GMT 1
i did not know that which i find odd ,is that the same in welsh and norther ireland parliments . I believe so. Referenda have been carried out on the basis of residency, rather than allowing all nationals to vote. thanks for that it is a pity because many people are denied a vote.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 10:38:31 GMT 1
Fifty times during her questioning in the Scottish parliament, Sturgeon answered..... 'I don't know' or 'I don't recall'. I don't know if she's fit to be First Minister. She should take a leaf from the PM who would just brazenly lie. one lies and the other has amnesia on key points
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Mar 10, 2021 11:05:05 GMT 1
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Mar 10, 2021 11:07:31 GMT 1
When, and if, it comes to an independence referendum, I don't see why should voting be restricted only to current residents of Scotland, many of whom may not in fact be Scots. Surely a more representative election on such a crucial issue should include all Scots i.e. people born in Scotland who now be living in different parts of the UK. Every Scot who holds a British passport should be allowed a vote, irrespective of where they live.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 11:10:54 GMT 1
When, and if, it comes to an independence referendum, I don't see why should voting be restricted only to current residents of Scotland, many of whom may not in fact be Scots. Surely a more representative election on such a crucial issue should include all Scots i.e. people born in Scotland who now be living in different parts of the UK. Every Scot who holds a British passport should be allowed a vote, irrespective of where they live. i agree they should
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 10, 2021 11:17:18 GMT 1
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 11, 2021 9:38:46 GMT 1
"Channel 4 is a British public broadcast service. Does Sturgeon/Salmond battle mirror deepening cracks in SNP?"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 17, 2021 10:43:21 GMT 1
a daming revelation www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html" david Davis used parliamentary privilege to reveal messages which indicate Miss Sturgeon's chief of staff, Liz Lloyd, knew about complaints in February 2018 - two months before the First Minister said she was told about them. He also said that a whistleblower passed him messages between senior SNP officials, including Miss Sturgeon's husband Peter Murrell, which Mr Davis said suggest a 'concerted effort' to encourage complaints about the former First Minister. David Davis (pictured in the Commons) used parliamentary privilege to reveal messages which indicate Miss Sturgeon's chief of staff, Liz Lloyd, knew about complaints in February 2018 - two months before the First Minister said she was told about them. In an astonishing intervention in the House of Commons, the former Brexit secretary said he has it 'on good authority' there is an exchange of messages from February 6, 2018, between Judith Mackinnon, who carried out the investigation into the complaints about Mr Salmond, and senior government official Barbara Allison 'suggesting that the First Minister's chief of staff is interfering in the complaints process against Alex Salmond'"
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 17, 2021 20:11:13 GMT 1
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9372741/Nicola-Sturgeon-suffers-new-blow-Alex-Salmond-row.html?login#readerCommentsCommand-message-field"Alex Salmond's claim that Nicola Sturgeon's staff leaked the name of one of the women who complained about the former first minister's behaviour has been corroborated by an ex-civil servant. Lorraine Kay told a Holyrood inquiry that a complainer's identity had been shared with Geoff Aberdein, Mr Salmond's chief of staff. Ms Kay, who worked in the then-first minister's private office for five years, is the third person to back up Mr Salmond's statement that a government official revealed the name of one of the women who had come forward with an allegation." "He said Ms Ruddick was nervous about her name coming out as someone 'fishing' for people to come forward. Mr Davis also referred to Mr Murrell's messages saying it was a good time to be 'pressurising' police. He said Mr Murrell told the inquiry these messages 'were 'quite out of character'. That is no defence even were it true'. The former Cabinet minister told the Commons: 'No single sequence of texts is going to provide conclusive proof of what the whistleblower described as a 'criminal conspiracy', but it does show a very strong prima facie case, which demands further serious investigation, by which I mean, at the very least, a thorough review of all the emails and other electronic records for the relevant personnel at all relevant times. 'Together, those form a litany of acts that repeatedly frustrated the Committee and denied the public full transparency and accountability. 'They fit squarely into a pattern of evasiveness and abuse of process that the Scottish Government have woven from the start. 'As I said in opening, the proper place for these matters to be determined is Holyrood. It would be eminently preferable for MSPs to be exposing any relevant evidence, but given the British Government's failure in 1998 to give sufficient power to the Scottish Parliament, and given that the Scottish Parliament derives its authority from this House, certain evidence must now enter the public domain here. 'The Holyrood inquiry has exposed some critical failings at the heart of the Scottish Government. They failed with the complaints process, they failed to heed legal advice, and they failed to honour commitments to ensure a transparent parliamentary review, but perhaps more worryingly the inquiry has revealed the limits of what the Scottish Parliament can expose. 'There is a deficit of power, and with it comes a deficit of accountability."
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Post by highlandshrew on Mar 17, 2021 21:24:11 GMT 1
In the spirit of fairness I'm sure Zen will be along soon to report the Daily Fail's account of Ms Sturgeon 'strongly refuting' the allegations made under parliamentary privilege by Mr Salmond's long-standing pal David Davis. But then again, maybe not?
There are two sides to this story and two ongoing independent investigations. Why not let these run their course and do their jobs, rather than indulging in the sort of trial by (far right-wing) media more commonly associated with the USA?
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 17, 2021 22:08:03 GMT 1
In the spirit of fairness I'm sure Zen will be along soon to report the Daily Fail's account of Ms Sturgeon 'strongly refuting' the allegations made under parliamentary privilege by Mr Salmond's long-standing pal David Davis. But then again, maybe not? There are two sides to this story and two ongoing independent investigations. Why not let these run their course and do their jobs, rather than indulging in the sort of trial by (far right-wing) media more commonly associated with the USA? Of course, Ms Sturgeon will deny, which puts her on a par with most politicians; she is certainly no great saviour of the "body politic" as some would have us believe. But, seriously, "far right wing" media??? I will cheerfully acknowledge "right-wing", but "far"?? Define that adjective, or get a grip! .
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2021 23:55:11 GMT 1
In the spirit of fairness I'm sure Zen will be along soon to report the Daily Fail's account of Ms Sturgeon 'strongly refuting' the allegations made under parliamentary privilege by Mr Salmond's long-standing pal David Davis. But then again, maybe not? There are two sides to this story and two ongoing independent investigations. Why not let these run their course and do their jobs, rather than indulging in the sort of trial by (far right-wing) media more commonly associated with the USA? Of course, Ms Sturgeon will deny, which puts her on a par with most politicians; she is certainly no great saviour of the "body politic" as some would have us believe. But, seriously, "far right wing" media??? I will cheerfully acknowledge "right-wing", but "far"?? Define that adjective, or get a grip! . The Mail have a history of supporting far right wingers eg. Oswald Moseley.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 18, 2021 8:15:09 GMT 1
In the spirit of fairness I'm sure Zen will be along soon to report the Daily Fail's account of Ms Sturgeon 'strongly refuting' the allegations made under parliamentary privilege by Mr Salmond's long-standing pal David Davis. But then again, maybe not? There are two sides to this story and two ongoing independent investigations. Why not let these run their course and do their jobs, rather than indulging in the sort of trial by (far right-wing) media more commonly associated with the USA? if you look at my posts iv used other sources apart from the mail and have put the other viewpoints as well , iv put links to the mail online, two scottish newspaoers , ,the BBC and all jazerra. , im limited in that many are subscription based.there are always two sides i dont think sturegon is any worse than boris and the conservatives and when the dust settles you would hope they will be investigated for the way they awarded the contracts and the there managment of the country during the pandemic. just to be clear i thikn sturgeon is an astute politician who can run rings around boris without breaking a sweat i love scotland and the scottish people and they have the right to choose the path they wont to go down, i hope hte union stays together but if scotland leaves i hope we can have a better relationship and more amicable split than the one with the EU. my issue is accountability and good governance, which is why i have an issue with the SNP and the conservatives , look at my posts on hte handling of covid and i have been equally critical of the conservatives and the labour party for failing to be a creadable oppsition and not as you seem to imply in this post and other that i have it in for sturegom and the SNP. the govermant are there to serve the people in a transparent way and not to possibly abuse there power to stay in power.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 18, 2021 10:04:34 GMT 1
[quote7 source="/post/1525728/thread" author=" armchairfan" timestamp="1616015283"]Of course, Ms Sturgeon will deny, which puts her on a par with most politicians; she is certainly no great saviour of the "body politic" as some would have us believe. But, seriously, "far right wing" media??? I will cheerfully acknowledge "right-wing", but "far"?? Define that adjective, or get a grip! . The Mail have a history of supporting far right wingers eg. Oswald Moseley.[/quote] So, let's get this right: "far-right" is your euphemism for "fascist" and/or supporting fascism; by virtue of an op-Ed from 90 years ago, the Mail remains "far-right" (fascist) Is that what you really mean... no need to be shy about it - if you believe the Mail to be a fascist newspaper, then say so! If, on the other hand, you believe it to simply have a political stance to the right of yours, I will accept that.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 18, 2021 12:50:53 GMT 1
Was it your post which was " " or the " daily Shunt" link? Neither are worthy of reasonable response. I freely admit to being a "non-Mail reader"... never bought it EVER. Neither would I subscribe to the Daily Shunt, assuming that it exists.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Mar 18, 2021 13:18:45 GMT 1
Of course, Ms Sturgeon will deny, which puts her on a par with most politicians; she is certainly no great saviour of the "body politic" as some would have us believe. But, seriously, "far right wing" media??? I will cheerfully acknowledge "right-wing", but "far"?? Define that adjective, or get a grip! . The Mail have a history of supporting far right wingers eg. Oswald Moseley. And Stanley Matthews too.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 18, 2021 18:14:47 GMT 1
🤣🤣🤣 But in addition, I blame Mr Corbyn for the fact that we drive on the bloody left! That said, there is hope for anyone with such a capacity for self-satire🤣
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