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Post by servernaside on Dec 27, 2020 16:37:42 GMT 1
VAR is living proof that the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 27, 2020 17:02:35 GMT 1
before VAR we often saw top clubs getting favourable decisions
with VAR we often see top clubs getting favourable decisions
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Dec 28, 2020 11:30:00 GMT 1
Is there still a 'joke of the year competition' ??
If so VAR will walk it this year.
Everyone we hear talking about about it - fans, commentators, players, managers & pundits - seem to have
a problem with it somewhere. It's time for a big re-think by the 'rulers' of the game.
It's ruining watching the game for millions of fans. Me included.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 13:08:21 GMT 1
Is there still a 'joke of the year competition' ?? If so VAR will walk it this year. Everyone we hear talking about about it - fans, commentators, players, managers & pundits - seem to have a problem with it somewhere. It's time for a big re-think by the 'rulers' of the game. It's ruining watching the game for millions of fans. Me included. Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 13:32:42 GMT 1
Is there still a 'joke of the year competition' ?? If so VAR will walk it this year. Everyone we hear talking about about it - fans, commentators, players, managers & pundits - seem to have a problem with it somewhere. It's time for a big re-think by the 'rulers' of the game. It's ruining watching the game for millions of fans. Me included. Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... To pick up on CLEAR and OBVIOUS errors, not a players bootlace being in an offside position or a ball hitting the skin on the arm below the sleeve.
The CLEAREST and most OBVIOUS error was at Sheffield Utd - Villa game last season that ended up relegating Bournmouth and neither VAR nor Hawkeye spotted it. If the technology isn't going to pick up stuff like that, but will pick up a goalkeeper 3mm off his line for a penalty then you have to ask whether it is actually fit for purpose.
The referees in the PL are supposed to be the best of the best and they get millions of pounds worth of tech to help them, while those in the EFL and below get no help at all and yet both set of officials still make mistakes that cost teams games.
If we are going to continue with its use it should be used on the same basis as technology is in cricket, with a set no. of appeals against the umpires decision. Only 2 or 3 uses of VAR per game per team would at least allow fans to actually celebrate again when they score, instead of constantly waiting for VAR decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2020 14:59:57 GMT 1
Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... To pick up on CLEAR and OBVIOUS errors, not a players bootlace being in an offside position or a ball hitting the skin on the arm below the sleeve.
The CLEAREST and most OBVIOUS error was at Sheffield Utd - Villa game last season that ended up relegating Bournmouth and neither VAR nor Hawkeye spotted it. If the technology isn't going to pick up stuff like that, but will pick up a goalkeeper 3mm off his line for a penalty then you have to ask whether it is actually fit for purpose.
The referees in the PL are supposed to be the best of the best and they get millions of pounds worth of tech to help them, while those in the EFL and below get no help at all and yet both set of officials still make mistakes that cost teams games.
If we are going to continue with its use it should be used on the same basis as technology is in cricket, with a set no. of appeals against the umpires decision. Only 2 or 3 uses of VAR per game per team would at least allow fans to actually celebrate again when they score, instead of constantly waiting for VAR decisions.
So a goal allowed that is clearly and obviously off side will be allowed to stand even though proof can be given that it should not be because 2 minutes earlier a team asked a question about something not related. Btw, I agree with you in much that you say, but if it can not be decided within 20 seconds of a check, it is not clear and obvious. However remember why the technology is here in the first instance, it’s the interpretation that is the problem, and PGMO is happy for it to fail |
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Post by servernaside on Dec 28, 2020 15:31:23 GMT 1
I'm getting so tired of the nonsense surrounding Premier League football what with VAR, accidental handballs and 'taking the knee', that I'm not sure I want to watch it any more. What a turn off.
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Post by shropshirelad42 on Dec 28, 2020 15:41:19 GMT 1
Is there still a 'joke of the year competition' ?? If so VAR will walk it this year. Everyone we hear talking about about it - fans, commentators, players, managers & pundits - seem to have a problem with it somewhere. It's time for a big re-think by the 'rulers' of the game. It's ruining watching the game for millions of fans. Me included. Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... But the joy of living in a democracy is that 'people can change their minds if things don't work !! |
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on Dec 28, 2020 15:44:43 GMT 1
Just because technology is available doesn’t make it desirable, VAR for checking goals needs to be stopped. I don’t mind it for serious foul play which could have a beneficial effect.
I like the old football saying that there are only 3 unbiased people at a game, the officials do their best and, as human beings, sometimes make mistakes. Moaning about decisions is part of the fun of the game. Staring at a screen for ages to decide whether a goal can stand isn’t.
One of the attractions of football is that the game played on a park pitch has the same rules as the game played at top level and VAR makes it a different game. People may point to goal line technology and I concede that it’s a good thing. However, I guess it’s fairly cheap and could be applied a long way down the pyramid.
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Post by Pilch on Dec 28, 2020 15:46:34 GMT 1
Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... To pick up on CLEAR and OBVIOUS errors, not a players bootlace being in an offside position or a ball hitting the skin on the arm below the sleeve.
The CLEAREST and most OBVIOUS error was at Sheffield Utd - Villa game last season that ended up relegating Bournmouth and neither VAR nor Hawkeye spotted it. If the technology isn't going to pick up stuff like that, but will pick up a goalkeeper 3mm off his line for a penalty then you have to ask whether it is actually fit for purpose.
The referees in the PL are supposed to be the best of the best and they get millions of pounds worth of tech to help them, while those in the EFL and below get no help at all and yet both set of officials still make mistakes that cost teams games.
If we are going to continue with its use it should be used on the same basis as technology is in cricket, with a set no. of appeals against the umpires decision. Only 2 or 3 uses of VAR per game per team would at least allow fans to actually celebrate again when they score, instead of constantly waiting for VAR decisions.
if we adopted the same procedure as cricket the following could happen sheffield united think they have scored a goal DRS is called for did haweye say the ball crossed the line ? no did the ball hit the back of the net ? no refs call, no goal |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2021 21:51:40 GMT 1
another farcical day
i saw the sheff united player foul a newcastle player and win a penalty
cavani gets ripped up when clean thorugh on goal, verdict free kick to burnley 1/2 mile away for a good challenge by luke shaw ;-)
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Post by shrewsdownunder on Jan 12, 2021 21:55:40 GMT 1
That was studs up from Shaw and he is lucky to say on the pitch ...
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2021 21:56:20 GMT 1
That was studs up from Shaw and he is lucky to say on the pitch ... he won the ball |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 21:56:52 GMT 1
About time VAR got something right 👍
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2021 22:02:15 GMT 1
About time VAR got something right 👍 var worried united might go top  |
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Post by venceremos on Jan 12, 2021 22:12:06 GMT 1
That was VAR at its worst - five minutes to make a decision is unacceptable. At least they got it right in not giving Shaw a red card for being first to a 50:50 ball. The disallowance of Maguire’s goal would rule out 75% of headed goals for similar “fouls” if applied consistently. Perhaps this is the start of heading being removed from the game altogether ...  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 22:20:00 GMT 1
That was VAR at its worst - five minutes to make a decision is unacceptable. At least they got it right in not giving Shaw a red card for being first to a 50:50 ball. The disallowance of Maguire’s goal would rule out 75% of headed goals for similar “fouls” if applied consistently. Perhaps this is the start of heading being removed from the game altogether ... Even Gary Neville said Shaw was lucky to escape with only a yellow. |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2021 22:20:38 GMT 1
That was VAR at its worst - five minutes to make a decision is unacceptable. At least they got it right in not giving Shaw a red card for being first to a 50:50 ball. The disallowance of Maguire’s goal would rule out 75% of headed goals for similar “fouls” if applied consistently. Perhaps this is the start of heading being removed from the game altogether ... VAR were worried for a sec that the ref wasnt going to give it so did a freeze frame to try and persuede him |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 12, 2021 22:21:23 GMT 1
That was VAR at its worst - five minutes to make a decision is unacceptable. At least they got it right in not giving Shaw a red card for being first to a 50:50 ball. The disallowance of Maguire’s goal would rule out 75% of headed goals for similar “fouls” if applied consistently. Perhaps this is the start of heading being removed from the game altogether ... Even Gary Neville said Shaw was lucky to escape with only a yellow. and also said harry maguire got robbed of a goal |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2021 23:38:36 GMT 1
Even Gary Neville said Shaw was lucky to escape with only a yellow. and also said harry maguire got robbed of a goal But not by VAR |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 13, 2021 0:24:24 GMT 1
He's borrowed fergie's specs🤣🤣🤣 try watching without your stolen scouse blinkers on No var is very selective remember ( back on page 1 of this thread) |
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Post by venceremos on Jan 13, 2021 1:04:09 GMT 1
That was VAR at its worst - five minutes to make a decision is unacceptable. At least they got it right in not giving Shaw a red card for being first to a 50:50 ball. The disallowance of Maguire’s goal would rule out 75% of headed goals for similar “fouls” if applied consistently. Perhaps this is the start of heading being removed from the game altogether ... Even Gary Neville said Shaw was lucky to escape with only a yellow. Gary Neville repeatedly said Shaw didn’t get the ball, even as video replays kept showing clearly that he did. He also called Mee’s face block a handball. Remember your specs next time, Gary. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2021 10:20:23 GMT 1
Even Gary Neville said Shaw was lucky to escape with only a yellow. Gary Neville repeatedly said Shaw didn’t get the ball, even as video replays kept showing clearly that he did. He also called Mee’s face block a handball. Remember your specs next time, Gary. The ball might have been a 50-50 and Shaw might have got a foot on the ball but it is the follow through that counts and it was dangerous and reckless. |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2021 20:59:31 GMT 1
good old VAR, fails to spot a city player who was just 25 yards offside |
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Post by kl8-2 on Jan 20, 2021 21:16:39 GMT 1
good old VAR, fails to spot a city player who was just 25 yards offside Correct decision to allow the goal. From Law 11 (Offside) A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. |
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Post by Pilch on Jan 20, 2021 21:26:54 GMT 1
good old VAR, fails to spot a city player who was just 25 yards offside Correct decision to allow the goal. From Law 11 (Offside) A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. yeah i know what they came up with having had their solicitors rapidly dig them out of a hole, but he was still interfering with play wasnt too bothered as i bet on city to win at half time and time was running out |
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Post by kl8-2 on Jan 20, 2021 21:33:56 GMT 1
Correct decision to allow the goal. From Law 11 (Offside) A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. yeah i know what they came up with having had their solicitors rapidly dig them out of a hole, but he was still interfering with play wasnt too bothered as i bet on city to win at half time and time was running out Irrelevant, it is not an offence to be in an offside position unless certain criteria are met. It would be difficult to referee games without a set of laws to adhere to. |
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Post by greeny on Jan 20, 2021 21:34:12 GMT 1
good old VAR, fails to spot a city player who was just 25 yards offside Correct decision to allow the goal. From Law 11 (Offside) A player in an offside position receiving the ball from an opponent who deliberately plays the ball, including by deliberate handball, is not considered to have gained an advantage, unless it was a deliberate save by any opponent. I think most fans would agree that it’s not right seeing players coming back from that far offside and affecting the play. Just doesn’t sit right. |
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Post by servernaside on Jan 21, 2021 17:45:38 GMT 1
Again, I will refer everyone moaning about it, to the fact VAR is here is because all the clubs and fans demanded it.... But the joy of living in a democracy is that 'people can change their minds if things don't work !! Where's the 'democracy' in the FA/EUFA/FIFA changing laws without any input from the fans ? |
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Post by chirkshrew on Jan 21, 2021 18:44:34 GMT 1
Should of blown for offside way before mings touched the ball.the city guy was active in the villa penalty area for a start!!! Joke rule
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