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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 18:47:44 GMT 1
Because Boris stated that the new Tiers will be based on regions, not localities. If we are lumped in with West Midlands we are a certain Tier 2 and a possible Tier 3. We will have to wait and see, but there is a big difference between 'West Midlands' the county and 'West Midlands the entire region. I agree, and hope you are right. That's why I said I hope we are not lumped in with West Midlands, which is an entity in itself. Throwing in Worcestershire, Shropshire and Herefordshire with West Midlands is blatantly unfair. However, I'd not be surprised if they did so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 18:50:21 GMT 1
According to latest reports we (Cheshire West & Chester) are at risk of going into tier 3. It’s all about where the club is
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 23, 2020 18:51:09 GMT 1
Where does everyone suddenly get the idea that Shropshire is likely to go into Tier 3 after lockdown? We have only been in Tier 1 Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 18:59:53 GMT 1
Where does everyone suddenly get the idea that Shropshire is likely to go into Tier 3 after lockdown? We have only been in Tier 1 Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue. some people will believe anything, even if its pure fictional
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 19:11:44 GMT 1
Presumably it's not just about the numbers inside the ground, it's about the movement of people to and from the ground and the clusters that form before and after people get inside. That's a lot harder to manage than people in a seated, controlled environment. Yes this is the big issue to consider. It’s people coming from different areas, mixing (all be it distanced) then going back to home towns that is the issue Maybe less of an issue for Town but many sides draw their fan base from long distance away from their home ground particularly in top two leagues Been off here for long time due to work and definitely a willingness to get fans back to sports events locally, but concern about people from different areas mixing is behind any delay Also moving into Christmas support staff like police, medical teams might be needed elsewhere delivering other aspects of the Covid response Good to see you back. Hope you're well.
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Post by servernaside on Nov 23, 2020 19:49:37 GMT 1
Where does everyone suddenly get the idea that Shropshire is likely to go into Tier 3 after lockdown? We have only been in Tier 1 Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue. Thee 'class connotations' exists only in your mind. The point is that Shropshire is a largely rural county with a lower density of population than many other areas.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 19:52:31 GMT 1
if ricketts is still in charge when fans are allowed back , how many will want to go in the away end and taunt those cheering the town on ?
could be quite a clamor ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 19:54:02 GMT 1
According to latest reports we (Cheshire West & Chester) are at risk of going into tier 3. It’s all about where the club is Of course yes. But if I'm in tier 3 then I wouldn't be able to go to the game anyway as I would not be allowed to travel out of my area. Our Council website has up to date COVID cases by Ward. We are currently at 481 per 100,000 but then Tarporley next door is at 971. There are other wards running at 1,300+. When I look at this data it's frightening the level it's at so I wouldn't want to travel anyway, even if I could.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 23, 2020 19:56:41 GMT 1
This is excellent news, mostly I'm delighted about my 11 year old son being able to join his two teams again and he's really missed playing, but any chance of possibly getting back to the football this side of Christmas is fabulous too, even if we will be jostling with others if indeed the capacity is 2000.
The challenge for the club as well here is 2000 will perhaps end up costing the club money, in putting on stewards etc, and only allowing season ticket holders who've already paid in. It's probable that only 4000 would make any money as at least they'll be able to sell some tickets beyond season ticket holders.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 20:00:25 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 20:07:07 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out My thoughts exactly. I've just the latest COVID cases by Ward for my local council and some of the rates are frightening. I want to stay in lockdown.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 20:09:38 GMT 1
Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue. Thee 'class connotations' exists only in your mind. The point is that Shropshire is a largely rural county with a lower density of population than many other areas. It's rural where I am but it wont stop us going into tier3 come Thursday.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 23, 2020 20:14:23 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out Because it’s a political/popular decision and not a medical one. Just like Christmas it’s best if people do what is best for them and what they feel comfortable with. It’s all down to the famous common sense we hear so much about!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 20:20:14 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out My thoughts exactly. I've just the latest COVID cases by Ward for my local council and some of the rates are frightening. I want to stay in lockdown. And you are free to do so. There will be plenty of people who decide they don't want to go and thats fine. Alternatively there will be plenty of people who decide the risk is low so will decide to go. I go to Sainsburys every week and suspect it will be safer to go to a football match with the restrictions that are in place.
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Post by shrewswolf on Nov 23, 2020 20:21:53 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out Because it’s a political/popular decision and not a medical one. Just like Christmas it’s best if people do what is best for them and what they feel comfortable with. It’s all down to the famous common sense we hear so much about!!!! Have you read the SAGE minutes on outdoor spectator sports? Acknowledges very low risk outdoors and that fans arriving from nearby at once is main concern, hence the 2000 limit I suspect. More’s to the point. It’ll be a sterile, socially distanced organised affair to boot. Hardly some free for all, but clubs need it, like any business, these lockdowns cannot go on forever.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 23, 2020 20:25:23 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly. I've just the latest COVID cases by Ward for my local council and some of the rates are frightening. I want to stay in lockdown. And you are free to do so. There will be plenty of people who decide they don't want to go and thats fine. Alternatively there will be plenty of people who decide the risk is low so will decide to go. I go to Sainsburys every week and suspect it will be safer to go to a football match with the restrictions that are in place. the message need to be about complacency its ok washing hands, and spraying them, but i often see people using their phone ( yes me too ) its so easy to forget, you come home, wash hands again and then out comes the phone and we pop it next to our mouth, this after the quick peep at it during the shopping trip or at work etc really surprised this wasnt part of a public safety advert , also with footy fans, the obvious social distancing needs to be taken seriously, peoples lives are in danger if not
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 23, 2020 20:25:24 GMT 1
Certainly all clubs need it but not all clubs will get it if they are in Tier three. I wonder if this will affect the amount paid to each club from the EFL?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 20:28:09 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly. I've just the latest COVID cases by Ward for my local council and some of the rates are frightening. I want to stay in lockdown. And you are free to do so. There will be plenty of people who decide they don't want to go and thats fine. Alternatively there will be plenty of people who decide the risk is low so will decide to go. I go to Sainsburys every week and suspect it will be safer to go to a football match with the restrictions that are in place. Of course, and those that do go I want them to enjoy live football again and feel safe doing so.
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Post by Valerioch on Nov 23, 2020 20:35:13 GMT 1
Where does everyone suddenly get the idea that Shropshire is likely to go into Tier 3 after lockdown? We have only been in Tier 1 Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue. Down to 160 now, peaked at 250. It’s not inconceivable this could be below 100 at the end of lockdown However I think we will be tier 2
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 20:41:22 GMT 1
It’s all about where the club is Of course yes. But if I'm in tier 3 then I wouldn't be able to go to the game anyway as I would not be allowed to travel out of my area. Our Council website has up to date COVID cases by Ward. We are currently at 481 per 100,000 but then Tarporley next door is at 971. There are other wards running at 1,300+. When I look at this data it's frightening the level it's at so I wouldn't want to travel anyway, even if I could. That's very high for Tarporley, a village which I am very familiar with. Half-term breaks abroad perhaps?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 23, 2020 20:50:23 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out Why not ask Brian if he agrees with you - I wouldnt hold your breath though.
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Post by northwestman on Nov 23, 2020 20:50:52 GMT 1
Our infection rate is well over the 100 per 100k rate threshold for tier 1 under the old system (currently hovering somewhere between 180 and 220 odd depending which source you look at). Find it really interesting the trouble people are having believing that "sleepy Shropshire" could be a higher tier. Speaks to the class connotations that have started to build up around the issue. Down to 160 now, peaked at 250. It’s not inconceivable this could be below 100 at the end of lockdown However I think we will be tier 2 If Shropshire's infection rate is below 200, which I believe is the benchmark to be moved from Tier 1 to Tier 2, then I'd hope that our local M.P.s would be raising some questions if we do in fact end up in Tier 2. Then again, I guess that's wishful thinking.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 20:52:54 GMT 1
My thoughts exactly. I've just the latest COVID cases by Ward for my local council and some of the rates are frightening. I want to stay in lockdown. And you are free to do so. There will be plenty of people who decide they don't want to go and thats fine. Alternatively there will be plenty of people who decide the risk is low so will decide to go. I go to Sainsburys every week and suspect it will be safer to go to a football match with the restrictions that are in place. i agree it is all about personal choice and there view on risks
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 23, 2020 20:53:56 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out Why not ask Brian if he agrees with you - I wouldnt hold your breath though. i dont expect him to he is running a business and the club have had a big drop in income
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 23, 2020 20:55:54 GMT 1
I was at the Northampton game, to the club's credit, and the fans who attended, it was a very safe environment. Obviously there's a risk but it's all relative and no one will be forced to go. Even with 1000 in one stand I felt way safer than at any of the supermarkets and pubs and restaurants I've been in since March. With 1000 in each stand, each kept discrete from the others, Town should have this nailed.
Each to their own, but I can wait to get back.
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Post by venceremos on Nov 23, 2020 20:57:18 GMT 1
this makes no sense why not waite till the vaccine is rolled out Why not ask Brian if he agrees with you - I wouldnt hold your breath though. It would certainly help if everyone could hold their breath until they got home.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 21:08:02 GMT 1
Of course yes. But if I'm in tier 3 then I wouldn't be able to go to the game anyway as I would not be allowed to travel out of my area. Our Council website has up to date COVID cases by Ward. We are currently at 481 per 100,000 but then Tarporley next door is at 971. There are other wards running at 1,300+. When I look at this data it's frightening the level it's at so I wouldn't want to travel anyway, even if I could. That's very high for Tarporley, a village which I am very familiar with. Half-term breaks abroad perhaps? I'm not sure to be honest. There was a spike in cases a few weeks back for some reason.
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Post by horse01 on Nov 23, 2020 21:31:33 GMT 1
Is this not potentially going to end up costing the club more than if fans remained away from grounds??
If we end up in a tier whereby 2000 fans can attend, Arguably, the club are going to have to provide stewards for the game, along with sanitising solutions.
And realistically, the majority of those 2000 fans are likely to be season ticket holders, who will have already paid for their season ticket, meaning there will be very little, if not, no income from gate receipts??
Compared to not having to steward the game and not providing 2000 extra people with sanitising products?
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 23, 2020 21:36:47 GMT 1
Why not ask Brian if he agrees with you - I wouldnt hold your breath though. i dont expect him to he is running a business and the club have had a big drop in income Think that has answered it then. The club need it to happen. The numbers allowed in will be reduced to what we would have normally. Those who dont want to be there dont have to. Isn't that a win all round?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2020 21:42:55 GMT 1
Is this not potentially going to end up costing the club more than if fans remained away from grounds?? If we end up in a tier whereby 2000 fans can attend, Arguably, the club are going to have to provide stewards for the game, along with sanitising solutions. And realistically, the majority of those 2000 fans are likely to be season ticket holders, who will have already paid for their season ticket, meaning there will be very little, if not, no income from gate receipts?? Compared to not having to steward the game and not providing 2000 extra people with sanitising products?
I'm assuming these games arent about making a profit, its about starting off the process to get back to normal(ish). It's going to be a gradual process as its not going to be a case of played behind closed doors to then opening everything up. The sooner we can start, the sooner we can get back to normality (of sorts)
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