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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Nov 25, 2020 10:15:36 GMT 1
Askey went at 2pm the following Monday after a draw
That's the hope today isnt it...
RICKETTS IS DONE
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 25, 2020 10:23:36 GMT 1
It is indeed. We have had some very good keepers over the years, often on loan, so maybe we have been spoilt but I can't remember seeing this many errors. It is rare that there isn't a major keeper error in a game. Arnold and the 3 calamities this season have been ricketts downfall its not really a case of who is better its who is worse a side is only as good as its keeper, its why united never won the league for decades until they found a solld one and i dont think they ever won the league when a dodgy one was in place after schmiechel finished, and liverpool 30 years to replace clemence & grobbelaar who only let goals in if you paid him to ;-) trouble for us is new manager or not we're kind of stuck with what we have at the moment The way i see it is against Swindon and MK we were playing poor teams low on confidence that were there for the taking especially after going two goals down. The difference then showed with two experienced managers outthinking Sam and getting the reaction from their teams to get back into the game while we became a team full of fear and mistakes... with a manager on the sideline thinking the worlds against him and thinking more about referees mistakes than his or the teams We've played teams with poor keepers that have got a result over us, perhaps you can't win the league with a poor keeper but you can compete in the league......The teams good enough to hold our own and deserves better results but with confidence low and a manager accepting their performance and blaming everything else....were doomed
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Post by Mortgagehound on Nov 25, 2020 10:42:06 GMT 1
In the cold light of day, the following thoughts occurred:
1. Goalkeeping dept - once again keepers have cost us points. Selection and training have to be questioned
2. Whalley - what we would do without him - outstanding performance last night
3. Ball bouncing over Daniels head for the second goal - the last time I saw such amateurish attempted heading was by Gary Megson down at the Meadow. He retired the following morning
4. Ricketts was very very unlucky last night. Two good goals chalked off and a couple of other good chances - we could have had 5 or 6 in the net last night. I fuly understand his frustration post match.
5. Giving away two goal leads - not sure what the answer is, however the departure of our performance coach (Mr Pitts) might have a bearing on the matter.
6. I would like to leave Mr Walker in the centre of defence and give Mr Landell a wee rest
7. Mr Miller and Mr Pierre put in good shifts last night
8. I liked the way MK played, keeping the ball on the deck and retaining posession - Town on the other hand were unable to hold onto the ball for any period of time during the 90 minutes. The hof ball from the back from our back three simply gave posession away every time as Pugh and Whalley are not target men.
9. On the basis of last nights events you cannot sack the manager
10. Lets stick eleven past Oxford on Sunday
11 COYBs
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Nov 25, 2020 10:45:48 GMT 1
On 8 - we had 30% possession last night which i believe is the lowest we have had under SR full stop, the lack of ball retention as you say is a major issue. Shows its self straight away last night, had ball from kick off, went long gave them ball back after 6 seconds... We need to treasure possession more... all it does is invite the pressure on.
Once again for a third game in a row the last 15 minutes we likely had around 15% possession... its suicidal!
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Post by electrum on Nov 25, 2020 10:52:17 GMT 1
9. On the basis of last nights events you cannot sack the manager True, but he's not being judged just on last night, he's being judged on 1 win in 13 league games. Or 3 in 27.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 25, 2020 10:55:27 GMT 1
In the cold light of day, the following thoughts occurred: 1. Goalkeeping dept - once again keepers have cost us points. Selection and training have to be questioned 2. Whalley - what we would do without him - outstanding performance last night 3. Ball bouncing over Daniels head for the second goal - the last time I saw such amateurish attempted heading was by Gary Megson down at the Meadow. He retired the following morning 4. Ricketts was very very unlucky last night. Two good goals chalked off and a couple of other good chances - we could have had 5 or 6 in the net last night. I fuly understand his frustration post match. 5. Giving away two goal leads - not sure what the answer is, however the departure of our performance coach (Mr Pitts) might have a bearing on the matter. 6. I would like to leave Mr Walker in the centre of defence and give Mr Landell a wee rest 7. Mr Miller and Mr Pierre put in good shifts last night 8. I liked the way MK played, keeping the ball on the deck and retaining posession - Town on the other hand were unable to hold onto the ball for any period of time during the 90 minutes. The hof ball from the back from our back three simply gave posession away every time as Pugh and Whalley are not target men. 9. On the basis of last nights events you cannot sack the manager 10. Lets stick eleven past Oxford on Sunday 11 COYBs Agree with 9 when considered in isolation, but as I wrote above, when you consider the very clear pattern that has emerged of a tactically naive and inexperienced manager some considerable way out of his depth, and with his inability to influence games and his constant chopping and changing simply not being good enough two years into the job, the bigger picture points to only one thing.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Nov 25, 2020 11:07:40 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally."
Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 25, 2020 11:07:47 GMT 1
As I’ve said before we are walking into relegation and no one seems to care.
Someone has said about last night that SR stood there just watching not knowing what to do. Isn’t that what KR did shortly before we were relegated. Was it at Darlington away that I am particularly remembering?
It would appear that one of our big mistakes was letting him get rid of Danny Coyne. Goal keeping seems to have been a disaster since then.
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Post by ssshrew on Nov 25, 2020 11:08:40 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. That is just so bad to let an opposition manager have a reason to say that. How embarrassing.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2020 11:12:04 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. That is just so bad to let an opposition manager have a reason to say that. How embarrassing. he has only said what many think but it also shows how much in denial ricketts is. the last few games as soon as a team scores we colapsed like a house built on sand. last year we had grant and we dont have player like him who slows the game down gets cheap free kick to give town a breathing space. this team had no idea about game managment.
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Post by staffordshrew on Nov 25, 2020 11:12:07 GMT 1
Agree with all Mortgagehound's points. Keep Mr Dastardly and we can win this year's wacky race to keep our league 1 status.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 25, 2020 11:22:00 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. That's the final nail in an already well nailed down lid.
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Post by scooter on Nov 25, 2020 11:26:59 GMT 1
Arnold and the 3 calamities this season have been ricketts downfall its not really a case of who is better its who is worse a side is only as good as its keeper, its why united never won the league for decades until they found a solld one and i dont think they ever won the league when a dodgy one was in place after schmiechel finished, and liverpool 30 years to replace clemence & grobbelaar who only let goals in if you paid him to ;-) trouble for us is new manager or not we're kind of stuck with what we have at the moment The way i see it is against Swindon and MK we were playing poor teams low on confidence that were there for the taking especially after going two goals down. The difference then showed with two experienced managers outthinking Sam and getting the reaction from their teams to get back into the game while we became a team full of fear and mistakes... with a manager on the sideline thinking the worlds against him and thinking more about referees mistakes than his or the teams We've played teams with poor keepers that have got a result over us, perhaps you can't win the league with a poor keeper but you can compete in the league......The teams good enough to hold our own and deserves better results but with confidence low and a manager accepting their performance and blaming everything else....were doomed Swindon May have had an experienced manager, but he had only been there a day or two. Russell Martin is 34 and been a manager for 12 months, so I am not convinced experience was the difference. If I was an MK fan I would be asking why the hell Carlton Morris and Gladwin hadn’t started
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Post by scooter on Nov 25, 2020 11:32:46 GMT 1
On 8 - we had 30% possession last night which i believe is the lowest we have had under SR full stop, the lack of ball retention as you say is a major issue. Shows its self straight away last night, had ball from kick off, went long gave them ball back after 6 seconds... We need to treasure possession more... all it does is invite the pressure on. Once again for a third game in a row the last 15 minutes we likely had around 15% possession... its suicidal! I am still wary of possession stats. That 30% figure was the same for the first 50 minutes, when we scored 2, could have scored a number more, and always looked the more likely team to score. Earlier in the season we were having much higher possession stats, and people said they weren’t important because we were losing That last 15 minutes stats is a shocker though. I thought it was just mental, but maybe there is a fitness problem
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Post by Exkeeper on Nov 25, 2020 11:34:43 GMT 1
As I’ve said before we are walking into relegation and no one seems to care. Someone has said about last night that SR stood there just watching not knowing what to do. Isn’t that what KR did shortly before we were relegated. Was it at Darlington away that I am particularly remembering? It would appear that one of our big mistakes was letting him get rid of Danny Coyne. Goal keeping seems to have been a disaster since then. I think that the fact that our obvious first choice keeper is still out injured has had a bearing on that, over a couple of months, not just last night.
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Post by electrum on Nov 25, 2020 11:35:25 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." ouch!
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Post by rayh on Nov 25, 2020 11:37:31 GMT 1
If town players were dead on their feet last half hour as suggested. Surely subs should of been used sooner
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Post by davycrockett on Nov 25, 2020 11:42:15 GMT 1
The way i see it is against Swindon and MK we were playing poor teams low on confidence that were there for the taking especially after going two goals down. The difference then showed with two experienced managers outthinking Sam and getting the reaction from their teams to get back into the game while we became a team full of fear and mistakes... with a manager on the sideline thinking the worlds against him and thinking more about referees mistakes than his or the teams We've played teams with poor keepers that have got a result over us, perhaps you can't win the league with a poor keeper but you can compete in the league......The teams good enough to hold our own and deserves better results but with confidence low and a manager accepting their performance and blaming everything else....were doomed Swindon May have had an experienced manager, but he had only been there a day or two. Russell Martin is 34 and been a manager for 12 months, so I am not convinced experience was the difference. If I was an MK fan I would be asking why the hell Carlton Morris and Gladwin hadn’t started Ability to motivate which is gained by experience but some don't gain it because they don't learn by their mistakes.... Ricketts has been too slow to catch on and feels sorry for himself so cant motivate which makes a poor manager
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 25, 2020 11:42:45 GMT 1
On 8 - we had 30% possession last night which i believe is the lowest we have had under SR full stop, the lack of ball retention as you say is a major issue. Shows its self straight away last night, had ball from kick off, went long gave them ball back after 6 seconds... We need to treasure possession more... all it does is invite the pressure on. Once again for a third game in a row the last 15 minutes we likely had around 15% possession... its suicidal! I am still wary of possession stats. That 30% figure was the same for the first 50 minutes, when we scored 2, could have scored a number more, and always looked the more likely team to score. Earlier in the season we were having much higher possession stats, and people said they weren’t important because we were losing That last 15 minutes stats is a shocker though. I thought it was just mental, but maybe there is a fitness problem It's a fair comment but I'm not sure I agree. I think the way we seem to play is unsustainable and we grow gradually more weary and error prone as the game goes on. Can't explain why that is exactly (chasing the ball maybe? Constant movement with man marking etc) but it seems to be linked to the fact we either can't keep or just don't prioritise possession.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 25, 2020 11:43:06 GMT 1
yep they had more shots on target 5 v our 4 the 2 good goals we scored were wiped from history by the men in black heres pugh about to not score I don’t understand your point? I said while stats aren’t everything, MK had the better of every stat available, including 70% possession which is massive, so they would be disappointed if they didn’t pick up a result with those stats. If we had 70% possession, more shots and more shots on target then our opponents but we drew and SR was getting stick on here, you’d use those stats as an argument in his favour, but as soon as it’s the other way around you’re not interested. Regardless of refereeing decisions last night, which I just commented on in another thread saying I feel for SR, that doesn’t excuse his entire league record since being here, it’s one game, those decisions haven’t put us where we are, SR has. What bit don’t you understand ? We scored 4 times yesterday , except 2 of those have been wiped from existence , they never happen , no shots , no goals Possession stats are b******s , they only ever get mentioned when we have less than 50% Fact is we played well last night , deserved to win and got robbed Before the game the moans were about no striker and yet we looked very exciting going forward Conceded 2 sloppy goals and that’s all that’s all that matters I said last week I thought he would be gone today with only 1 point from the 2 games so let’s just sit quietly and if nothing happens we can all get the negative comments ready again for Sunday 😜
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Post by zenfootball2 on Nov 25, 2020 12:07:35 GMT 1
we look a much more dangerous team going forward we now can score goals ,we did desreve to win, we had a clear goal disallowed Napleon alegedly used to ask his generals are you lucky,somtimes you make your own luck but when you cant get a team fit enough to play for 90 minutes or collapse as soon as the other team score, then there is somthing wrong with your coaching and ability to motivate your team
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Post by horse01 on Nov 25, 2020 12:08:43 GMT 1
Is there any reason why a number of posts in this thread have been deleted??
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Nov 25, 2020 12:12:27 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. Wow. Nothing more should be said, an opposition manager literally sums up our season - good in spurts before we run out of gas and bottle it. Damning indictment of Ricketts training and fitness regime.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Nov 25, 2020 12:14:29 GMT 1
On 8 - we had 30% possession last night which i believe is the lowest we have had under SR full stop, the lack of ball retention as you say is a major issue. Shows its self straight away last night, had ball from kick off, went long gave them ball back after 6 seconds... We need to treasure possession more... all it does is invite the pressure on. Once again for a third game in a row the last 15 minutes we likely had around 15% possession... its suicidal! I am still wary of possession stats. That 30% figure was the same for the first 50 minutes, when we scored 2, could have scored a number more, and always looked the more likely team to score. Earlier in the season we were having much higher possession stats, and people said they weren’t important because we were losing That last 15 minutes stats is a shocker though. I thought it was just mental, but maybe there is a fitness problem There is 100% a fitness problem... part how they are trained, part lots of players with bad injury records, part inability for good cover in key positions (CB)
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Post by Pilch on Nov 25, 2020 12:29:33 GMT 1
I am still wary of possession stats. That 30% figure was the same for the first 50 minutes, when we scored 2, could have scored a number more, and always looked the more likely team to score. Earlier in the season we were having much higher possession stats, and people said they weren’t important because we were losing That last 15 minutes stats is a shocker though. I thought it was just mental, but maybe there is a fitness problem There is 100% a fitness problem... part how they are trained, part lots of players with bad injury records, part inability for good cover in key positions (CB) Is it a Shrewsbury problem or a league wide one ? , they just brought in 5 subs as there are issues everywhere
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Post by floreatsalopia1 on Nov 25, 2020 12:29:59 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. Here is a link to Russell Martin. It has to be said Martin is right. Watching the game shouting at the TV that we were looking exhausted at pressing hoping for Barnett on for Pugh. Tracey for Whalley and other options for Edwards who went down were obvious to those Watching. By then MK had made 3 subs and we were crying out for fresh legs to reinvigorate the energy levels.. This is the reason why fitness levels are questioned as well as Managers decisions. Defensive errors were horrendous for both goals. 1st Daniels and the keeper spilling it. 2nd walkers positioning and allowing the attacker to have a shot with no attempt at blocking because of his initial positioning points to individual errors. We should have won the game but to get in a place where you are hanging on for a draw is ridiculous. This is where Ricketts out comes into play. I enjoyed first 60 minutes but you.always had the feeling it was going to happen. AS manager it is your job to see it and make earlier changes rather than just reacting to goals scored.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 25, 2020 12:35:01 GMT 1
MK Dons manager Russell Martin: "for the last half an hour, Shrewsbury were gone physically and mentally." Says it all in a nutshell really. In the next few hours we’ll surely get the news that Ricketts has been relieved of his duties. Here is a link to Russell Martin. It has to be said Martin is right. Watching the game shouting at the TV that we were looking exhausted at pressing hoping for Barnett on for Pugh. Tracey for Whalley and other options for Edwards who went down were obvious to those Watching. By then MK had made 3 subs and we were crying out for fresh legs to reinvigorate the energy levels.. This is the reason why fitness levels are questioned as well as Managers decisions. Defensive errors were horrendous for both goals. 1st Daniels and the keeper spilling it. 2nd walkers positioning and allowing the attacker to have a shot with no attempt at blocking because of his initial positioning points to individual errors. We should have won the game but to get in a place where you are hanging on for a draw is ridiculous. This is where Ricketts out comes into play. I enjoyed first 60 minutes but you.always had the feeling it was going to happen. AS manager it is your job to see it and make earlier changes rather than just reacting to goals scored. Tracey was not on the bench but that's by the by, I agree with your assessment that Sam could and should have tried to influence a game that we could all see with our own eyes was slipping away from us.
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Post by camdenshrew on Nov 25, 2020 12:35:04 GMT 1
Ricketts has been trying to play a pressing game but with players who - either because they are too old, injury prone or didn't get a proper pre-season under their belt - cannot sustain it for longer than 50-60 minutes. The team gets pushed further back until they are just reduced to trying to soak up pressure and hoofing it aimlessly forward, more in hope than expectation. Under those circumstances, I find it astonishing the manager is taking so long to field his substitutes to freshen things up. He either doesn't think they are good enough or just hasn't got a clue how to use them.
Yes, we're starting games more brightly but cannot keep up the momentum and teams know that we will run out of steam and have worked us out. Oxford City - who looked a lot better than Northampton in the FA Cup first round - must be rubbing their hands in anticipation. I can see their right winger Roberts having a field day against Daniels who is clearly past his sell-by date as a defender.
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Post by scooter on Nov 25, 2020 12:39:33 GMT 1
Ricketts has been trying to play a pressing game but with players who - either because they are too old, injury prone or didn't get a proper pre-season under their belt - cannot sustain it for longer than 50-60 minutes. The team gets pushed further back until they are just reduced to trying to soak up pressure and hoofing it aimlessly forward, more in hope than expectation. Under those circumstances, I find it astonishing the manager is taking so long to field his substitutes to freshen things up. He either doesn't think they are good enough or just hasn't got a clue how to use them. Yes, we're starting games more brightly but cannot keep up the momentum and teams know that we will run out of steam and have worked us out. Oxford City - who looked a lot better than Northampton in the FA Cup first round - must be rubbing their hands in anticipation. I can see their right winger Roberts having a field day against Daniels who is clearly past his sell-by date as a defender. Oxford City lost again last night. They haven’t won since Round 1 either
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Nov 25, 2020 16:13:59 GMT 1
Ricketts has been trying to play a pressing game but with players who - either because they are too old, injury prone or didn't get a proper pre-season under their belt - cannot sustain it for longer than 50-60 minutes. The team gets pushed further back until they are just reduced to trying to soak up pressure and hoofing it aimlessly forward, more in hope than expectation. Under those circumstances, I find it astonishing the manager is taking so long to field his substitutes to freshen things up. He either doesn't think they are good enough or just hasn't got a clue how to use them. Yes, we're starting games more brightly but cannot keep up the momentum and teams know that we will run out of steam and have worked us out. Oxford City - who looked a lot better than Northampton in the FA Cup first round - must be rubbing their hands in anticipation. I can see their right winger Roberts having a field day against Daniels who is clearly past his sell-by date as a defender. Oxford City lost again last night. They haven’t won since Round 1 either We haven't won very many since Rd 1 LAST season......😕
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