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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 24, 2020 22:47:34 GMT 1
And I thought Steve Arnold was bad, **** me that's shocking🙈🙈🙈
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MKD away
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Post by horse01 on Nov 24, 2020 22:48:40 GMT 1
After an interview like that, he deserves to go even more.
Extremely rude to Stuart Dunn.
‘We have no luck’?!
Tell that to Burton and the corner they conceded from!!
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Post by Pilch on Nov 24, 2020 22:49:25 GMT 1
VERY unwise of Sam to blame the ref BUT didn't watch were our goals disallowed onside and was their second goal offside ? Anyone? check my pic from a couple of posts higher the edwards goal was inconclusive, he was out of shot until the ball arrived by which time he was slightly off but i think would have been on when the ball was played
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Post by Worthingshrew on Nov 24, 2020 22:52:48 GMT 1
Pitch, you sound like a Republican lawyer supporting Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2020 22:54:56 GMT 1
MK were hauling players off after 30 mins in an effort to change things, and made changes at half time. Sam waited until much later to make his changes. With five subs available it was a bold move by MK and perhaps betrays Sam's inexperience yet again that he wasn't able to respond. Sam's been with us for nearly 2 years as a manager, had all that experience as a player, including at international level. Yes he's learning all the time (well I hope so) but if he can't respond now to what is happening on the pitch then when will he and what are his support staff saying/doing to assist him?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 24, 2020 22:56:01 GMT 1
Disappointing, but hardly surprising to throw away another lead was it? MK had a lot more possession, more shots and more shots on target, while stats aren’t everything, you can’t really argue about a draw after that. Don’t see much point in commenting on Ricketts anymore, we all know what the vast majority of the fans want but it’s not up to us, honestly don’t know what will happen now, only thing predictable at the moment is our ability to throw away points. The common thread seems to be possession is massively weighted in favour of the opposition. Same in the last 3 games with the same end result. To defend a lead for that long you need a really solid defence. We have some decent defenders for league 1 but we make too many mistakes. The ball just does not seem to stick in midfield, possibly because playing 2 or 3 wingers up front gives you zero hold up play and our midfield seems to get overrun in this bizarre 5 2 3 set up we have.
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Post by cabanas2017 on Nov 24, 2020 22:56:25 GMT 1
VERY unwise of Sam to blame the ref BUT didn't watch were our goals disallowed onside and was their second goal offside ? Anyone? He may well be right but he should have avoided the interview if he was raging. He is almost forcing the issue to sack him, time the Board spoke.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 24, 2020 22:56:32 GMT 1
MK were hauling players off after 30 mins in an effort to change things, and made changes at half time. Sam waited until much later to make his changes. With five subs available it was a bold move by MK and perhaps betrays Sam's inexperience yet again that he wasn't able to respond. Sam's been with us for nearly 2 years as a manager, had all that experience as a player, including at international level. Yes he's learning all the time (well I hope so) but if he can't respond now to what is happening on the pitch then when will he? Totally agree, who knows if it would have made any difference but he just sat there letting the game play itself.
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Post by R6ix on Nov 24, 2020 22:57:39 GMT 1
if the goals dissalowwed were good goals then i understand sams displeasure,he knows his neck is on the block, so to lose 2 good goals and a 4-0 lead is a hard one to swallow?
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 24, 2020 22:59:25 GMT 1
Irrespective of any goal incorrectly given as offside, we should be beating a p**s poor team like MK Dons from 2-0 up. Exactly. The disallowed goals thing is incredibly unfortunate if even one was incorrectly ruled out but come on, throwing away another two goal lead is appalling regardless.
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Post by RBA on Nov 24, 2020 23:00:02 GMT 1
Sam's been with us for nearly 2 years as a manager, had all that experience as a player, including at international level. Yes he's learning all the time (well I hope so) but if he can't respond now to what is happening on the pitch then when will he? Totally agree, who knows if it would have made any difference but he just sat there letting the game play itself. I agree but I am not so angry as most at the interview the guy is under immense pressure BUT he just needs to go now
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 24, 2020 23:00:04 GMT 1
if the goals dissalowwed were good goals then i understand sams displeasure,he knows his neck is on the block, so to lose 2 good goals and a 4-0 lead is a hard one to swallow? The first disallowed goal was inconclusive, and I didn't think MK's 2nd was offside but Pugh's was clearly on but you make your own luck and town still retreated too deeply in the 2nd half and Sam sat their passively when he should have been more adventurous with his subs. The guy's out of his depth.
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Post by randomtictacs on Nov 24, 2020 23:01:23 GMT 1
Taxi !
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Post by frankwellshrews on Nov 24, 2020 23:03:32 GMT 1
Like I say above, one win in 13 isn't on the officials. Nor is 2 schoolboy goalkeeping errors Keeping errors seem to be snother common thread. Who's ultimate responsibility is it to keep standards high? Feels like our players are sloppy and think they can get away with it. You have to question ricketts ability to hold them to account at this point.
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Post by chirkshrew on Nov 24, 2020 23:05:46 GMT 1
Well if he's in charge sunday and we lose,there could be a really big meltdown on here. Best he goes now me thinks🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️
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Post by aghabullogueshrew on Nov 24, 2020 23:06:12 GMT 1
What makes me laugh(!) is the fact that the only league game we have won this season is from an injury time winner! This means we didn't have a chance to sit too deep, switch off at the back, make schoolboy errors and goalkeeping howlers! If you keep making the same mistakes in your normal day job, you either get re-trained, moved to a different post or fired! These players need the to be better trained, dropped from the starting eleven or shown the fecking door!
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Post by R6ix on Nov 24, 2020 23:12:37 GMT 1
Well if he's in charge sunday and we lose,there could be a really big meltdown on here. Best he goes now me thinks🙋♂️🙋♂️🙋♂️ we wont get beat by oxford city
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Post by stfcfan87 on Nov 24, 2020 23:23:00 GMT 1
thats the thing, if we are as poor as teams around us then why should we be beating them? im sure fans from all the other struggling teams will all be making the same points tonite on there own forums? we have no divine right to be up there,apart from the hurst miracle we seem to be at the level we always have been in this division? We don't have a divine right to be up there but fans aren't asking to be 'up there'. We are saying we shouldn't be second bottom with 1 win in 13 or 3 wins in 27. But maybe you think we are asking too much. Not just that, Ricketts himself said pre-match we have a good squad that should be far higher.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 24, 2020 23:41:13 GMT 1
ok, apologies for getting involved in the stuff thrown my way can we move on now thanks ;-)
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 24, 2020 23:52:57 GMT 1
Pugh & Whalley either side of Clarke is nailed on goals in this league. Playing young, inexperienced keepers who simply are nowhere near good enough is nailed on goals for the opposition every week. Think we need a new man at the helm, the ground wouldn't be a nice place with fans in it at the moment. Problem is with Pugh he doesn't put in a shift, off the ball he stands there and watches. Walley is chasing things down, like Cummings did tonight, just thinking Pugh is too lazy and we play a man down without the ball I didn't watch tonight, but that sounds very different from the Pugh I knew as a player over the last few years and was the particular point QPR fans said of him last season. So where has that gone? Motivation of the players as a whole looks very low all over the pitch and Ricketts doesn't seem the man to do that, and I don't hear anything of the rest of the coaching staff either. Also I don't get the lack of subs. Again the team was well on the decline in the match when the first sub was made. Surely he could see 10 or 15 mins earlier than things needed to change. Stuart Dunn certianly did. We have 5 subs.Why not say to Pugh or Vela etc, you have 45 mins to run and run and then someone else can come on and do the same. Tonight Udoh and Zamburek sat on the bench and Daniels getting a few mins. Again it just comes back to poor man management, planning and being able to manage a team for a full game, which time and time again Ricketts is showing he isnt capable of doing
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Post by Rusholme Ruffian on Nov 24, 2020 23:56:27 GMT 1
Nor is 2 schoolboy goalkeeping errors Keeping errors seem to be snother common thread. Who's ultimate responsibility is it to keep standards high? Feels like our players are sloppy and think they can get away with it. You have to question ricketts ability to hold them to account at this point. It is indeed. We have had some very good keepers over the years, often on loan, so maybe we have been spoilt but I can't remember seeing this many errors. It is rare that there isn't a major keeper error in a game.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 25, 2020 0:05:49 GMT 1
Keeping errors seem to be snother common thread. Who's ultimate responsibility is it to keep standards high? Feels like our players are sloppy and think they can get away with it. You have to question ricketts ability to hold them to account at this point. It is indeed. We have had some very good keepers over the years, often on loan, so maybe we have been spoilt but I can't remember seeing this many errors. It is rare that there isn't a major keeper error in a game. Arnold and the 3 calamities this season have been ricketts downfall its not really a case of who is better its who is worse a side is only as good as its keeper, its why united never won the league for decades until they found a solld one and i dont think they ever won the league when a dodgy one was in place after schmiechel finished, and liverpool 30 years to replace clemence & grobbelaar who only let goals in if you paid him to ;-) trouble for us is new manager or not we're kind of stuck with what we have at the moment
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Post by harboroughshrew on Nov 25, 2020 0:09:23 GMT 1
Our games are becoming increasingly bizarre - surely the MK Dons defence in the first half was the worst display ever against us. Whalley was brilliant and outplaying them on his own at times. We should have been 4-0 up with better finishing or if a couple of tight offside decisions had gone our way. But somehow we managed to turn a comfortable 2-0 lead into a Groundhog Day and threw away the lead with rank bad defending. It looks like neither Iliev or Burgoyne are good enough for League 1 yet but we employ a former Premier league keeper as their coach and the question must be asked - what is he doing to improve them?Where do we go from here - this team does not look capable of beating anyone at the moment and I have no confidence we will even progress in the Cup on Sunday. I have said for some time that this is a weak squad - we have a lot of young players who are struggling for form in a constantly changing team and too many old players who have seen better days and can't last for ninety minutes. Relegation looks inevitable at the moment and the focus of the boardroom seems to be on ensuring club survival in League 2 rather than trying to stay in League 1. We thought being a well- run club would be an advantage in the pandemic but it looks as if it does not matter.
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Post by Pilch on Nov 25, 2020 0:19:06 GMT 1
Our games are becoming increasingly bizarre - surely the MK Dons defence in the first half was the worst display ever against us. Whalley was brilliant and outplaying them on his own at times. We should have been 4-0 up with better finishing or if a couple of tight offside decisions had gone our way. But somehow we managed to turn a comfortable 2-0 lead into a Groundhog Day and threw away the lead with rank bad defending. It looks like neither Iliev or Burgoyne are good enough for League 1 yet but we employ a former Premier league keeper as their coach and the question must be asked - what is he doing to improve them?Where do we go from here - this team does not look capable of beating anyone at the moment and I have no confidence we will even progress in the Cup on Sunday. I have said for some time that this is a weak squad - we have a lot of young players who are struggling for form in a constantly changing team and too many old players who have seen better days and can't last for ninety minutes. Relegation looks inevitable at the moment and the focus of the boardroom seems to be on ensuring club survival in League 2 rather than trying to stay in League 1. We thought being a well- run club would be an advantage in the pandemic but it looks as if it does not matter. maybe just maybe, our rare formation caught them out, after all we had attack after attack, 2 disallowed, pugh also missed a sitter and a couple of other decent crossed went begging so near yet so very far
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Post by thesensationaljt on Nov 25, 2020 8:31:09 GMT 1
In 13 league games we've had 12 referees who were rubbish.
It's no laughing matter, those 82 penalties we should have had could cost us a place in the play-offs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2020 9:16:56 GMT 1
Disappointing, but hardly surprising to throw away another lead was it? MK had a lot more possession, more shots and more shots on target, while stats aren’t everything, you can’t really argue about a draw after that. Don’t see much point in commenting on Ricketts anymore, we all know what the vast majority of the fans want but it’s not up to us, honestly don’t know what will happen now, only thing predictable at the moment is our ability to throw away points. yep they had more shots on target 5 v our 4 the 2 good goals we scored were wiped from history by the men in black heres pugh about to not score I don’t understand your point? I said while stats aren’t everything, MK had the better of every stat available, including 70% possession which is massive, so they would be disappointed if they didn’t pick up a result with those stats. If we had 70% possession, more shots and more shots on target then our opponents but we drew and SR was getting stick on here, you’d use those stats as an argument in his favour, but as soon as it’s the other way around you’re not interested. Regardless of refereeing decisions last night, which I just commented on in another thread saying I feel for SR, that doesn’t excuse his entire league record since being here, it’s one game, those decisions haven’t put us where we are, SR has.
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Post by Minormorris64 on Nov 25, 2020 9:43:28 GMT 1
yep they had more shots on target 5 v our 4 the 2 good goals we scored were wiped from history by the men in black heres pugh about to not score I don’t understand your point? I said while stats aren’t everything, MK had the better of every stat available, including 70% possession which is massive, so they would be disappointed if they didn’t pick up a result with those stats. If we had 70% possession, more shots and more shots on target then our opponents but we drew and SR was getting stick on here, you’d use those stats as an argument in his favour, but as soon as it’s the other way around you’re not interested. Regardless of refereeing decisions last night, which I just commented on in another thread saying I feel for SR, that doesn’t excuse his entire league record since being here, it’s one game, those decisions haven’t put us where we are, SR has. And also conceded 13 fouls compared to their single figure total
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Post by harboroughshrew on Nov 25, 2020 9:46:07 GMT 1
Our games are becoming increasingly bizarre - surely the MK Dons defence in the first half was the worst display ever against us. Whalley was brilliant and outplaying them on his own at times. We should have been 4-0 up with better finishing or if a couple of tight offside decisions had gone our way. But somehow we managed to turn a comfortable 2-0 lead into a Groundhog Day and threw away the lead with rank bad defending. It looks like neither Iliev or Burgoyne are good enough for League 1 yet but we employ a former Premier league keeper as their coach and the question must be asked - what is he doing to improve them?Where do we go from here - this team does not look capable of beating anyone at the moment and I have no confidence we will even progress in the Cup on Sunday. I have said for some time that this is a weak squad - we have a lot of young players who are struggling for form in a constantly changing team and too many old players who have seen better days and can't last for ninety minutes. Relegation looks inevitable at the moment and the focus of the boardroom seems to be on ensuring club survival in League 2 rather than trying to stay in League 1. We thought being a well- run club would be an advantage in the pandemic but it looks as if it does not matter. maybe just maybe, our rare formation caught them out, after all we had attack after attack, 2 disallowed, pugh also missed a sitter and a couple of other decent crossed went begging so near yet so very far That is a good point about the formation - the false 9 is a tactic not often seen in our league and Whalley and Pugh played it really well in the first half. MK did contribute to that though - I cant remember seeing a keeper so far out of his goal so often for no good reason (he made Deano look like a line keeper!) and they persisted in playing balls out to Keogh (not the best with his feet) who often had two of our players bearing down on him with no other defender in sight. This season has been so frustrating - terrible luck with long-term injuries and in virtually every game until the end but often let down by inexplicable errors by individuals who looked so solid last season. I also think that a lot of the criticism of the manager is fair comment but there is too much unwarranted abuse. Whether or not he is the man to lead the club forward is open to question but lets try to get behind him and the team to turn this season around.
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Post by Stowmarket Shrew on Nov 25, 2020 9:58:50 GMT 1
maybe just maybe, our rare formation caught them out, after all we had attack after attack, 2 disallowed, pugh also missed a sitter and a couple of other decent crossed went begging so near yet so very far That is a good point about the formation - the false 9 is a tactic not often seen in our league and Whalley and Pugh played it really well in the first half. MK did contribute to that though - I cant remember seeing a keeper so far out of his goal so often for no good reason (he made Deano look like a line keeper!) and they persisted in playing balls out to Keogh (not the best with his feet) who often had two of our players bearing down on him with no other defender in sight. This season has been so frustrating - terrible luck with long-term injuries and in virtually every game until the end but often let down by inexplicable errors by individuals who looked so solid last season. I also think that a lot of the criticism of the manager is fair comment but there is too much unwarranted abuse. Whether or not he is the man to lead the club forward is open to question but lets try to get behind him and the team to turn this season around. I respect your rallying call I really do, but we're well beyond that. Yes, we should have won comfortably last night against a poor side and yes we were clearly unlucky with wrong decisions but the Pugh goal would only have given us a two goal lead, hardly enough with this team to say we'd have gone on and won. Regardless of the individual circumstances of individual games, for me, nothing trumps the bigger picture. The pattern emerging very clearly demonstrates a man that clearly still doesn't know his best formation or personel, who doesn't have the ability to impose himself and his will on those players and, most crucially, also does not seem able to properly influence games while they're taking place. For someone finding their feet at a new club that's one thing but for someone to still clearly be betraying his inexperience and tactical naivety after over two years in the job simply isn't good enough for a team that has aspirations way higher than Sam is presently able to deliver. No one can accuse the board of making a knee jerk reaction. They've been patient, more so than before when comparably bad managers were sacked. As many have speculated, and as I am minded to agree, the costs associated with sacking Sam now would not appear terminal, and with a bail out still be be agreed and the hope that fans might be back in the next few weeks, hopefully some of that pressure will be relieved. Clearly last night would not have been appropriate to sack someone while emotions were running high and they were travelling home, but with clear heads and a nights' sleep it's inconceivable to think that there won't be intense conversations going on at the club this morning and it's likely Brian and Roland probably discussed and agreed their position last night, but, whatever that position, surely we'll hear from Brian today as the continuing silence is baffling. I think most of us quite rightly expect an announcement today that he's leaving but if not, surely we should see a 'vote of confidence' statement? If not then, frankly, and given the near universal disdain for everything Ricketts right now, it would be a disgrace.
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Post by stainesr on Nov 25, 2020 10:11:57 GMT 1
Didn't watch last night as I am broke. will catch one soon once I get paid. But conceding late goals all the time means the players aren't fit enough. Cummings has never been fit, apparently Shilow can't make it through 90 minutes. We have excellent players, probably better on paper than the squad Hurst had.
So what's the difference? The manager isn't training them properly, he spends his time talking rubbish to reporters about European scouting networks when he should be focusing on the training ground. Hurst got his players fit and they could play to the whistle. I ref u-9 matches and you can see the kids who have trained properly will probably win because they can run harder and faster, and they are able to concentrate better because they aren't blowing all the time.
Sam Ricketts is probably the worst manager we have ever had. He is complacent and he is not taking this club seriously. Sack him now.
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