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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 11, 2022 12:13:21 GMT 1
Not even out of administration and offering enough money to blow even big spending Portsmouth out of the water. If they expect any sympathy they can get to ****. Baffling isn't it? You'd like to think Marlon Pack's advisers would be advising against this though given the circumstances but the mere fact that they are quite brazenly offering it is enough as far as I'm concerned. Spending money you haven't got to gain an advantage over other clubs is cheating, plain and simple, but there's too many vested interests on the gravy train now to stop it it seems.
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 11, 2022 12:15:41 GMT 1
Seem to remember both Blackburn and Wigan doing the same. Blackburn had something ridiculous like a wage bill of £16m vs £9m in revenues (town's was about £4m for reference). Yet you still get their fans thinking it's all down to them being a "big club".
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 11, 2022 13:06:08 GMT 1
Yep, all basically 'cheating there way to promotion, ahead of little old shrewsbury, who abide by the rules---- nothing gets done tho
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 11, 2022 14:04:05 GMT 1
Seem to remember both Blackburn and Wigan doing the same. Blackburn had something ridiculous like a wage bill of £16m vs £9m in revenues (town's was about £4m for reference). Yet you still get their fans thinking it's all down to them being a "big club". It’s not an exact science but higher turnover = higher wage bill so club size is directly related to attendances / turnover….
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 11, 2022 14:21:05 GMT 1
Seem to remember both Blackburn and Wigan doing the same. Blackburn had something ridiculous like a wage bill of £16m vs £9m in revenues (town's was about £4m for reference). Yet you still get their fans thinking it's all down to them being a "big club". It’s not an exact science but higher turnover = higher wage bill so club size is directly related to attendances / turnover…. Not the case with Salford though.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 11, 2022 15:12:25 GMT 1
It’s not an exact science but higher turnover = higher wage bill so club size is directly related to attendances / turnover…. Not the case with Salford though. salford has a slightly larger population than derby, is it wrong for them to try and build a bigger club, both are far bigger places than bury, and yet we all still cry for them after they chucked money about until they ran out of it and had to give the club away without realising who to etc
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Post by davycrockett on Jun 11, 2022 15:17:18 GMT 1
It’s not an exact science but higher turnover = higher wage bill so club size is directly related to attendances / turnover…. Not the case with Salford though. You’ll have to explain? Have the been done under FFP since they joined the league? Also was quoting a poster who compared our wage bill with Blackburn Rovers and Wigan. Need to compare turnover not just what you feel.
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 11, 2022 17:12:34 GMT 1
Salford are very unlikely to ever get the sort of attendances to be classed as a “big” club.Their current ground could not accommodate them and the local population that have interest in football will already have allegiances with much larger local clubs higher up the pecking order. ,
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Post by Pilch on Jun 11, 2022 17:58:36 GMT 1
Salford are very unlikely to ever get the sort of attendances to be classed as a “big” club.Their current ground could not accommodate them and the local population that have interest in football will already have allegiances with much larger local clubs higher up the pecking order. , I think most clubs dream of becoming a big club, ALL clubs want to become bigger clubs, some clubs are ambitious and can also afford to attempt to do this quicker than others. Good luck to them, I've never understood why certain clubs are resented for doing this and the same people turn a blind eye to various already big clubs doing it on a much larger scale not caring about what they leave in their wake
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 11, 2022 18:39:43 GMT 1
Not the case with Salford though. You’ll have to explain? Have the been done under FFP since they joined the league? Also was quoting a poster who compared our wage bill with Blackburn Rovers and Wigan. Need to compare turnover not just what you feel. You also need to compare turnover with wage bill though right? Blackburn wage bill in that 17/18 season was quadruple ours and close to double their own turnover. In fact have a look at Blackburn accounts for 17/18; find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00053482/filing-historyThere's a great table in there highlighting the issue. In the 5 years leading up to 17/18 the club's ratio of wage bill to turn over was never less than 100%, peaking at 186% in their league 1 season. The club had run up cumulative losses of £250m by that point and had a net deficit of nearly £100m. If you look at their 17/18 figures, turnover was only around 1/3 of total expenses. You don't have to be a genius to work out Blackburn is a bigger club than Shrewsbury but they aren't that much bigger. Most people accept that clubs with bigger attendances can attract better players but that's another level and totally unfair
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 11, 2022 19:00:28 GMT 1
Very true, not much bigger than us, bet there crowds in the 80's weren't brilliant either.100 million in debt, that's unreal🙈🙈
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Post by frankwellshrews on Jun 11, 2022 19:12:06 GMT 1
Very true, not much bigger than us, bet there crowds in the 80's weren't brilliant either.100 million in debt, that's unreal🙈🙈 That £100m is just the amount liabilities exceeded assets by and that was 4 years ago. The latest info we have (for 20/21) shows another 3 years of losses and a wage to turnover of 170% to achieve a 15th place finish in the championship. Total debt is actually about £170m now and net deficit around £110m. Some geniuses will of course continue to say "but they're just a bigger club", ignoring the totally different financial reality thry are operating in. The risk is it's completely unsustainable. If football ever goes through another period like the 80s where it's deeply unfashionable and the money men walk away the crash will be of epic proportions.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 11, 2022 19:12:11 GMT 1
It’s not an exact science but higher turnover = higher wage bill so club size is directly related to attendances / turnover…. Not the case with Salford though. Another Rushden in the making. Once those funding it lose interest it will fall like a deck of cards. I give them 10 years if that. (And I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will remind me of this.)
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 11, 2022 19:15:34 GMT 1
Not the case with Salford though. Another Rushden in the making. Once those funding it lose interest it will fall like a deck of cards. I give them 10 years if that. (And I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will remind me of this.) I may be barking up the wrong tree, butI suspect that certain people look favourably on Salford because of who the owners are.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Jun 11, 2022 19:21:14 GMT 1
Another Rushden in the making. Once those funding it lose interest it will fall like a deck of cards. I give them 10 years if that. (And I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will remind me of this.) I may be barking up the wrong tree, butI suspect that certain people look favourably on Salford because of who the owners are. Just a case of how long they stay. They will lose interest at some point
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Post by chirkshrew on Jun 11, 2022 19:31:05 GMT 1
Yes, it's all unsustainable, bout time the efl got a grip of it all, I'm sure wigan must be surviving on the edge as well
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Post by Pilch on Jun 11, 2022 20:14:18 GMT 1
Another Rushden in the making. Once those funding it lose interest it will fall like a deck of cards. I give them 10 years if that. (And I'm sure if I'm wrong someone will remind me of this.) I may be barking up the wrong tree, butI suspect that certain people look favourably on Salford because of who the owners are. this is the problem , you go out of your way to moan about them because of the united players , funny watching it 😜 personally i can't stand watching them as the cameras keep switching to the owners , bit like what happened at wrexham the other week and always at wimbledon with family members and celebs , so distracting it out me off watching , i did enjoyed the tv series but i also enjoyed the sunderland one
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 11, 2022 20:50:32 GMT 1
I may be barking up the wrong tree, butI suspect that certain people look favourably on Salford because of who the owners are. this is the problem , you go out of your way to moan about them because of the united players , funny watching it 😜 personally i can't stand watching them as the cameras keep switching to the owners , bit like what happened at wrexham the other week and always at wimbledon with family members and celebs , so distracting it out me off watching , i did enjoyed the tv series but i also enjoyed the sunderland one The United players are no longer a problem for me, but I do wonder what they hope to achieve there. Nowadays, I find myself agreeing with almost everything Gary Neville says, so I have no problem there. I have no doubt you would hold a totally different view if they were former players from further down the Mersey.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 11, 2022 23:41:12 GMT 1
this is the problem , you go out of your way to moan about them because of the united players , funny watching it 😜 personally i can't stand watching them as the cameras keep switching to the owners , bit like what happened at wrexham the other week and always at wimbledon with family members and celebs , so distracting it out me off watching , i did enjoyed the tv series but i also enjoyed the sunderland one The United players are no longer a problem for me, but I do wonder what they hope to achieve there. Nowadays, I find myself agreeing with almost everything Gary Neville says, so I have no problem there. I have no doubt you would hold a totally different view if they were former players from further down the Mersey. oh dear, I've had the finger pointed at me for a made up happening , just as cover for a bizarre hatred of your own
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2022 6:44:54 GMT 1
Not even out of administration and offering enough money to blow even big spending Portsmouth out of the water. If they expect any sympathy they can get to ****. Whilst it shows the ridiculous nature of football finances, it also shows the hypocritical nature of football fans. Pompey fans complaining about clubs being in financial difficulties and overspending is sheer comedy
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 12, 2022 7:17:10 GMT 1
The United players are no longer a problem for me, but I do wonder what they hope to achieve there. Nowadays, I find myself agreeing with almost everything Gary Neville says, so I have no problem there. I have no doubt you would hold a totally different view if they were former players from further down the Mersey. oh dear, I've had the finger pointed at me for a made up happening , just as cover for a bizarre hatred of your own I don’t hate people because of the football team they play for. Hate is far too strong a word. Putin certainly, plus Trump and our current PM for the effect they have had on the lives of millions but footballers? No.
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Post by Pilch on Jun 12, 2022 8:53:25 GMT 1
oh dear, I've had the finger pointed at me for a made up happening , just as cover for a bizarre hatred of your own I don’t hate people because of the football team they play for. Hate is far too strong a word. Putin certainly, plus Trump and our current PM for the effect they have had on the lives of millions but footballers? No. that's a good point , if you take the vaccine i wonder how many lives boris saved , and compare that to blair who's actions resulted in over a million deaths
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 12, 2022 10:29:57 GMT 1
Many Tories and health professionals have been saying that the NHS were the ones that got the vaccine roll out organised and the experts in Labs were the ones who perfected it. I am sure he will be pleased you still stand by him.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 12, 2022 10:37:51 GMT 1
Anyway, back to Derby ...
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 12, 2022 11:03:41 GMT 1
Sorry, but whenever I post anything, my Troll wants to pick an argument. I should follow the advice of a former poster but won’t.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 12, 2022 11:32:24 GMT 1
Sorry, but whenever I post anything, my Troll wants to pick an argument. I should follow the advice of a former poster but won’t. You like my post diverting the attention back to the thread then throw a grenade on the bonfire? I give up sometimes. Maybe we should have a thread with an 18+ warning and everyone can have the off and tell each other what they really think of people that they've mainly never met. (Joke)
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Post by Exkeeper on Jun 12, 2022 11:45:52 GMT 1
Sorry, but whenever I post anything, my Troll wants to pick an argument. I should follow the advice of a former poster but won’t. You like my post diverting the attention back to the thread then throw a grenade on the bonfire? I give up sometimes. Maybe we should have a thread with an 18+ warning and everyone can have the off and tell each other what they really think of people that they've mainly never met. (Joke) Or maybe just an “Ignore” button.
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Post by blueandamber on Jun 12, 2022 12:14:29 GMT 1
At the risk of going back on topic ;-) if Derby aren't sold to someone in the next 2-4 weeks, I don't have faith in the EFL to cover themselves in glory when handling the fall out.
Only being punished if you overspend over 3 seasons? Stuff that. Overspend once and it should be a large, fixed points deduction.
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Post by South Stand Salopian on Jun 12, 2022 13:15:44 GMT 1
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Post by Pilch on Jun 12, 2022 13:21:19 GMT 1
Sorry, but whenever I post anything, my Troll wants to pick an argument. I should follow the advice of a former poster but won’t. it was a sensible debate until you involved Man U and Liverpool with hypothetical situations and made up accusations and then brought politics into it. anyway I don't need to justify anything , its there for all to read zzzzzzzzz
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