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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 28, 2020 19:10:58 GMT 1
I don't think they're talking about us... Teams suffering an uncharacteristic slump in form will bounce back and return to their normal long-term position in the league, regardless of whether they replace their manager or not.
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Post by salop27 on Oct 28, 2020 19:15:12 GMT 1
Three wins this calendar year in the league. We're not on a bad run we are bad. Sam Ricketts is not a football league manager. I believe we do have a backbone of a good team in Cummings, Vela, Norburn, Pierre, EBL and RSW. However its very clear that the current manager cannot coach them to improve, to inspire or even implement a tactically suitable game plan. I ask the board to be proactive and take some positive action. Politely ask Sam to stand down and get someone in with league one experience. My suggestion is Nigel Clough.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2020 19:16:08 GMT 1
I don't think they're talking about us... Teams suffering an uncharacteristic slump in form will bounce back and return to their normal long-term position in the league, regardless of whether they replace their manager or not.it works both ways 2018 Teams enjoying an uncharacteristic rise in form will bounce back and return to their normal long-term position in the league
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 19:55:52 GMT 1
If we include caretakers, we've had 9 managers since 2007.
If SR is to go in the next few weeks, it will be 10.
If that's the case our managers last an average of 1.3 years.
I wonder if this is something worth considering?
Is worth sticking with him to see the long term benefits, if any?
Or do we continue with a shorter term view?
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Post by comradecharles on Oct 28, 2020 20:03:33 GMT 1
As much as Paul Cook would be my choice, I have a suspicion he might now see himself as a Championship/top of League 1 manager (justifiably), with salary demand to match. The bottom end of League 1 might not look very attractive. There's no doubt that Paul Cook could just as soon take over at Derby as he could us. But he's exactly the calibre of manager this club hasn't had in years and is someone if we were really serious about challenging in the division we should be targeting. FWIW I couldn't see him joining us. However someone like Cowley or Clough just might.
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Oct 28, 2020 20:35:44 GMT 1
If we include caretakers, we've had 9 managers since 2007. If SR is to go in the next few weeks, it will be 10. If that's the case our managers last an average of 1.3 years. I wonder if this is something worth considering? Is worth sticking with him to see the long term benefits, if any? Or do we continue with a shorter term view? The 10 are: Gary Peters (Nov 2004 -Mar 2008) - mutual consent John McMahon (Mar 2008) - CARETAKER manager Paul Simpson (Mar 2008 - Apr 2010) - sacked Graham Turner (Jun 2010 - Jan 2014) - resigned/retired Michael Jackson (Jan 2014 - May 2014) - long term CARETAKER Micky Mellon (May 2014 - Oct 2016) - left to join Tranmere Danny Coyne (Oct 2016) - CARETAKER manager Paul Hurst (Oct 2016 - May 2018) - left us to go on to ‘better things’ John Askey (Jun 2018 - Nov 2018) - sacked Danny Coyne (Nov 2018) - CARETAKER manager Sam Ricketts (Dec 2018 - present) If you sack off John McMahon and Danny Coyne, who were in charge very much whilst looking for a new manager, and leave in Jackson who was given an extended run and as such I’d consider was on trial for the role, you’re looking at 8 permanent managers since 2004, an average of 2 years per manager. The only ones we explicitly sacked were Paul Simpson (following a poor season but it was his comments on the fans which sealed his fate) and John Askey (a disgrace to sack someone so quickly in my opinion). I think with Peters, Turner and Mellon they all had a good run and I’ll always remember them positively but I think most would agree the time was right for a change in all three cases. Then there’s Hurst, who could still be in charge now if he hadn’t been so successful. Ricketts is into his third season now although he hasn’t actually done a full season yet. Season 1 was pretty poor and a number of fans did turn quickly (can remember the abuse and chanting to get Docherty off the bench) but I always backed him as every manager deserves time and the opportunity to build their own squad. Season 2 started okay but from Christmas onwards was a real slog, and into season 3 which has started terribly. The conclusion of this long winded essay is that in my opinion we as a club (not necessarily the whole fan base mind) do give managers time, 2-3 seasons is enough time to see if it’s working with someone or not.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2020 20:48:12 GMT 1
If we include caretakers, we've had 9 managers since 2007. If SR is to go in the next few weeks, it will be 10. If that's the case our managers last an average of 1.3 years. I wonder if this is something worth considering? Is worth sticking with him to see the long term benefits, if any? Or do we continue with a shorter term view? The 10 are: Gary Peters (Nov 2004 -Mar 2008) - mutual consent John McMahon (Mar 2008) - CARETAKER manager Paul Simpson (Mar 2008 - Apr 2010) - sacked Graham Turner (Jun 2010 - Jan 2014) - resigned/retired Michael Jackson (Jan 2014 - May 2014) - long term CARETAKER Micky Mellon (May 2014 - Oct 2016) - left to join Tranmere Danny Coyne (Oct 2016) - CARETAKER manager Paul Hurst (Oct 2016 - May 2018) - left us to go on to ‘better things’ John Askey (Jun 2018 - Nov 2018) - sacked Danny Coyne (Nov 2018) - CARETAKER manager Sam Ricketts (Dec 2018 - present) If you sack off John McMahon and Danny Coyne, who were in charge very much whilst looking for a new manager, and leave in Jackson who was given an extended run and as such I’d consider was on trial for the role, you’re looking at 8 permanent managers since 2004, an average of 2 years per manager. The only ones we explicitly sacked were Paul Simpson (following a poor season but it was his comments on the fans which sealed his fate) and John Askey (a disgrace to sack someone so quickly in my opinion). I think with Peters, Turner and Mellon they all had a good run and I’ll always remember them positively but I think most would agree the time was right for a change in all three cases. Then there’s Hurst, who could still be in charge now if he hadn’t been so successful. Ricketts is into his third season now although he hasn’t actually done a full season yet. Season 1 was pretty poor and a number of fans did turn quickly (can remember the abuse and chanting to get Docherty off the bench) but I always backed him as every manager deserves time and the opportunity to build their own squad. Season 2 started okay but from Christmas onwards was a real slog, and into season 3 which has started terribly. The conclusion of this long winded essay is that in my opinion we as a club (not necessarily the whole fan base mind) do give managers time, 2-3 seasons is enough time to see if it’s working with someone or not. No, that's great thanks. Good point about who has actually been sacked. I am more thinking about long term stability and the constant rebuilding of a squad when a new manager comes in, etc. For example, I would hate to think how many players we've used in 13 years.
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Post by SamHarvey on Oct 28, 2020 22:04:14 GMT 1
Been thinking about this throughout day and voted no. I’m not by any means making excuses for Sam, but we’re only 8 league games into the season. He’s brought in new players and trying a completely new system. This is with little to no time to work on it in training with games coming so fast. I would say over those 8 games we’ve at times be unfortunate to draw or lose. The problem once again seems to be putting the ball in the net, but we are making chances. It may seem we look weaker in defence, but we’ve only conceded 8 goals. Compare that to the other teams around us (Burton conceded 18, Oxford 14, Swindon 13, Northampton 18) and it’s clear that isn’t the problem. But, like I’ve said, I don’t want to make excuses. We’ve a good squad here and we should by no means be scrapping around in the bottom 4-6. I’m willing to give it more games yet, up to 15 games, a third of the season, and if we’re still struggling we might need to look elsewhere as relegation would be such a step back.
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Post by Lancsman on Oct 28, 2020 22:12:38 GMT 1
Good thinking ........I can’t think why I’m not in agreement. See you in League 2 then.
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Post by SamHarvey on Oct 28, 2020 22:28:24 GMT 1
Good thinking ........I can’t think why I’m not in agreement. See you in League 2 then. All opinions mate.
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Post by GrizzlyShrew on Oct 28, 2020 22:31:10 GMT 1
Been thinking about this throughout day and voted no. I’m not by any means making excuses for Sam, but we’re only 8 league games into the season. He’s brought in new players and trying a completely new system. This is with little to no time to work on it in training with games coming so fast. I would say over those 8 games we’ve at times be unfortunate to draw or lose. The problem once again seems to be putting the ball in the net, but we are making chances. It may seem we look weaker in defence, but we’ve only conceded 8 goals. Compare that to the other teams around us (Burton conceded 18, Oxford 14, Swindon 13, Northampton 18) and it’s clear that isn’t the problem. But, like I’ve said, I don’t want to make excuses. We’ve a good squad here and we should by no means be scr@pping around in the bottom 4-6. I’m willing to give it more games yet, up to 15 games, a third of the season, and if we’re still struggling we might need to look elsewhere as relegation would be such a step back. Be interesting to see how we set up on Tuesday and the score. Burton letting them in for fun, Town who cant score..... One team will likely improve on their current form one way or the other.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 28, 2020 23:39:34 GMT 1
Three wins this calendar year in the league. We're not on a bad run we are bad. Sam Ricketts is not a football league manager. I believe we do have a backbone of a good team in Cummings, Vela, Norburn, Pierre, EBL and RSW. However its very clear that the current manager cannot coach them to improve, to inspire or even implement a tactically suitable game plan. I ask the board to be proactive and take some positive action. Politely ask Sam to stand down and get someone in with league one experience. My suggestion is Nigel Clough. cloughs style ? hoof and negative mostly i heard although he did ok at sheffield , got them 11th in league one they won the league next season, and then got to the premier and stayed there but dont worry he visited the championship with burton tell us more about clough or was it just a random name ? and remind us how many managers RW has appointed that we've heard of and want a decent salary ? ps let us know how you get on when youve asked the board to be proactive, and good luck asking sam to politely step down cloud cuckoo land
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Post by salop27 on Oct 29, 2020 1:43:25 GMT 1
Three wins this calendar year in the league. We're not on a bad run we are bad. Sam Ricketts is not a football league manager. I believe we do have a backbone of a good team in Cummings, Vela, Norburn, Pierre, EBL and RSW. However its very clear that the current manager cannot coach them to improve, to inspire or even implement a tactically suitable game plan. I ask the board to be proactive and take some positive action. Politely ask Sam to stand down and get someone in with league one experience. My suggestion is Nigel Clough. cloughs style ? hoof and negative mostly i heard although he did ok at sheffield , got them 11th in league one they won the league next season, and then got to the premier and stayed there but dont worry he visited the championship with burton tell us more about clough or was it just a random name ? and remind us how many managers RW has appointed that we've heard of and want a decent salary ? ps let us know how you get on when youve asked the board to be proactive, and good luck asking sam to politely step down cloud cuckoo land Who knows what style Clough would play. He's had success in League One before, he' a different name to the normal suspects, he's available and he's not Sam Ricketts. Your post reminds me why I don't come on Blue and Amber much,to many nobs👍
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Post by Pilch on Oct 29, 2020 9:35:18 GMT 1
cloughs style ? hoof and negative mostly i heard although he did ok at sheffield , got them 11th in league one they won the league next season, and then got to the premier and stayed there but dont worry he visited the championship with burton tell us more about clough or was it just a random name ? and remind us how many managers RW has appointed that we've heard of and want a decent salary ? ps let us know how you get on when youve asked the board to be proactive, and good luck asking sam to politely step down cloud cuckoo land Who knows what style Clough would play. He's had success in League One before, he' a different name to the normal suspects, he's available and he's not Sam Ricketts. Your post reminds me why I don't come on Blue and Amber much,to many nobs👍 his name is different ? You couldn’t be more wrong His name got him into management in the first place because it was the same as you know who’s
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 29, 2020 9:50:49 GMT 1
Who knows what style Clough would play. He's had success in League One before, he' a different name to the normal suspects, he's available and he's not Sam Ricketts. Your post reminds me why I don't come on Blue and Amber much,to many nobs👍 his name is different ? You couldn’t be more wrong His name got him into management in the first place because it was the same as you know who’s How can you come to that conclusion, what's that based on? He was a decent player who played at the very highest level who then moved in to management. Just like so many other players have done before him. Just like our very own Sam Ricketts. If he had just landed a management job out of nothing (having had no experience in football) the I think you might of had a point. But that's way off for me, big time.
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Post by Pilch on Oct 29, 2020 10:19:16 GMT 1
his name is different ? You couldn’t be more wrong His name got him into management in the first place because it was the same as you know who’s How can you come to that conclusion, what's that based on? He was a decent player who played at the very highest level who then moved in to management. Just like so many other players have done before him. Just like our very own Sam Ricketts. If he had just landed a management job out of nothing (having had no experience in football) the I think you might of had a point. But that's way off for me, big time. i was replying to someone who knows probably nothing about clough apart from what he looks like many of his clubs the fans moaned about the negative defensive tactics, i kind of remember we dont like that here couldnt do the job at sheffield and yet look at them since the second he left and hes available ? more like hes out of work and probably available at the right price, which is i guess more than RW would want to pay, and for what ? i mean lets get graham turner back hes had success in league 1 and hes available zzzzzzzzz
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 29, 2020 10:31:58 GMT 1
How can you come to that conclusion, what's that based on? He was a decent player who played at the very highest level who then moved in to management. Just like so many other players have done before him. Just like our very own Sam Ricketts. If he had just landed a management job out of nothing (having had no experience in football) the I think you might of had a point. But that's way off for me, big time. i was replying to someone who knows probably nothing about clough apart from what he looks like many of his clubs the fans moaned about the negative defensive tactics, i kind of remember we dont like that here couldnt do the job at sheffield and yet look at them since the second he left and hes available ? more like hes out of work and probably available at the right price, which is i guess more than RW would want to pay, and for what ? i mean lets get graham turner back hes had success in league 1 zzzzzzzzz I think for the most part people will just look to his record and his record isn't that bad, especially at this level. Clough is only in his 50's and was managing at this level only this year. I don't think too many of us take much notice about what other clubs fans may think about this manager or that.👍 Clough isn't a bad shout at all.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 10:41:32 GMT 1
I'm sure Nigel Clough would figure highly on our wishlist as our next manager and why not? He's certainly got a decent track record. Ultimately it depends on what route the Chairman wants to take next time around. Up and coming young manager or experienced old head?
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 29, 2020 10:45:39 GMT 1
Let me get this straight then, what's proposed is that right now, just a few games in, we sack our manager and recruit a manager another club has sacked?
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Post by davycrockett on Oct 29, 2020 10:53:59 GMT 1
Portvale a punt on Askey and he’s done well 👍sometimes clubs sack managers as a knee jerk reaction to a few bitter fans......
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Post by sheltonsalopian on Oct 29, 2020 11:00:00 GMT 1
My as well let him do Peterborough and Burton, would be tough to get anything in the first game, but nothing against Burton and he'll be gone
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Post by northwestman on Oct 29, 2020 11:06:14 GMT 1
Let me get this straight then, what's proposed is that right now, just a few games in, we sack our manager and recruit a manager another club has sacked? Clough wasn't sacked by Burton. He voluntarily stood aside, as the Club are under financial pressures and presumably couldn't afford his salary.
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 29, 2020 11:28:07 GMT 1
Let me get this straight then, what's proposed is that right now, just a few games in, we sack our manager and recruit a manager another club has sacked? Clough wasn't sacked by Burton. He voluntarily stood aside, as the Club are under financial pressures and presumably couldn't afford his salary. Probably knocks the idea of bringing Clough in on the head then. In these Covid times I don't suppose we are much richer than Burton. If Clough can't get the wage he wants there I don't suppose the idea of travelling all the way to Shrewsbury to not get the wage he wants is going to appeal.
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Post by El Huracán!!!! on Oct 29, 2020 11:36:34 GMT 1
Im all for Clough Getting an ex liverpool player in as manager might actually push Pilch over the edge
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2020 11:59:15 GMT 1
Let me get this straight then, what's proposed is that right now, just a few games in, we sack our manager and recruit a manager another club has sacked? There's very few football managers that would be candidates who haven't failed somewhere, particularly in the modern game where there is little patience. However most of them will have achieved something, Ricketts has not, unless you class managing 20 games for Wrexham as an achievement If you look at some of of the names being suggested as a replacement Clough - Did well at Burton, sacked from Derby & Sheff Utd Hurst - Did well at Ilkeston, Boston, Grimsby & us, sacked from Ipswich & Scunny Cook - Did well at Sligo, Chesterfield, Portsmouth & Wigan, sacked from Southport
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 29, 2020 12:18:49 GMT 1
Let me get this straight then, what's proposed is that right now, just a few games in, we sack our manager and recruit a manager another club has sacked? There's very few football managers that would be candidates who haven't failed somewhere, particularly in the modern game where there is little patience. However most of them will have achieved something, Ricketts has not, unless you class managing 20 games for Wrexham as an achievement If you look at some of of the names being suggested as a replacement Clough - Did well at Burton, sacked from Derby & Sheff Utd Hurst - Did well at Ilkeston, Boston, Grimsby & us, sacked from Ipswich & Scunny Cook - Did well at Sligo, Chesterfield, Portsmouth & Wigan, sacked from Southport I've looked, I'd stick.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Oct 29, 2020 13:20:52 GMT 1
There's very few football managers that would be candidates who haven't failed somewhere, particularly in the modern game where there is little patience. However most of them will have achieved something, Ricketts has not, unless you class managing 20 games for Wrexham as an achievement If you look at some of of the names being suggested as a replacement Clough - Did well at Burton, sacked from Derby & Sheff Utd Hurst - Did well at Ilkeston, Boston, Grimsby & us, sacked from Ipswich & Scunny Cook - Did well at Sligo, Chesterfield, Portsmouth & Wigan, sacked from Southport I've looked, I'd stick. Christ if wouldn't appoint someone who has been sacked elsewhere then Alex Ferguson (sacked by St Morten) and arsene Wenger (sacked by Monaco & arse) would be out of contention too
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Post by staffordshrew on Oct 29, 2020 13:28:15 GMT 1
Christ if wouldn't appoint someone who has been sacked elsewhere then Alex Ferguson (sacked by St Morten) and arsene Wenger (sacked by Monaco & arse) would be out of contention too Not quite. I'm saying that now is not the time to sack one and get another sacked one in. Christmas might be, but at this moment we are a few games into having some great signings.
If he got sacked at Christmas, resigned or left at the end of his contract then we interview and take the one who seems the right "fit" for Shrewsury Town.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Oct 29, 2020 14:30:55 GMT 1
Christ if wouldn't appoint someone who has been sacked elsewhere then Alex Ferguson (sacked by St Morten) and arsene Wenger (sacked by Monaco & arse) would be out of contention too Just to say its St Mirren our kid, from Paisley. Morton are from just up the road in Greenock. Big rivals as it happens. 👍
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Post by Pilch on Oct 29, 2020 14:34:10 GMT 1
Christ if wouldn't appoint someone who has been sacked elsewhere then Alex Ferguson (sacked by St Morten) and arsene Wenger (sacked by Monaco & arse) would be out of contention too No, fergie should be available for us He wasn’t sacked for anything to do with results Give him a ring As for wenger , who wants a manager who only guarantees champions league football every season for decades Get rid , we want our arsenal back 😜
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