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Post by staffordshrew on May 24, 2020 23:31:12 GMT 1
Good job they hadn't thought to have a contact tracing app in place then, that would have been very interesting. Cummings may be the super spreader that introduced Covid 19 to the Durham area. we do have 11,000 anpr cameras in the uk these and the mobile phone records are the equivalent of leaving finger prints everywhere you go You would have to have someone right at the top of government in your pocket to get all those records erased.
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Post by davycrockett on May 25, 2020 7:33:13 GMT 1
I thought he should have gone, but he didn't. The thing that worries me now, is that it's distracting attention from the very serious situation we should be concentrating on with this virus. That just makes Boris’s decision all the more wrong.... He will go so it’s Boris faffing about in his ‘I’ll do what I want’ way. He just can’t get his head round rules that he thinks are for everyone else except him and his mates
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 8:12:55 GMT 1
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 8:19:21 GMT 1
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/24/boris-johnson-defence-dominic-cummings-anger-from-allies-and-opponents-alikeThree members of SPI-B, the Sage subcommittee providing advice from behavioural scientists to government on how the public might respond to lockdown measures, reacted with disdain to Johnson’s defence of Cummings. Prof Stephen Reicher, of St Andrews University, tweeted: “I can say that in a few short minutes tonight, Boris Johnson has trashed all the advice we have given on how to build trust and secure adherence to the measures necessary to control Covid-19. “Be open and honest, we said. Trashed. Respect the public, we said. Trashed. Ensure equity, so everyone is treated the same, we said. Trashed. Be consistent we said. Trashed. Make clear ‘we are all in it together’. Trashed. “It is very hard to provide scientific advice to a government which doesn’t want to listen to science. I hope, however, that the public will read our papers … and continue to make up for this bad government with their own good sense.” He was backed by Prof Susan Michie and Prof Robert West.
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Post by ssshrew on May 25, 2020 9:15:27 GMT 1
We’re all in this together has never been Tory policy. David Cameron tried that - huh.
We just never learn do we.
I feel for the scientists who have done their best through this only to be undermined by a couple of selfish, not fit for purpose, people who are running the country. One as a figurehead and the other as a dangerous puppet master.
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Post by staffordshrew on May 25, 2020 9:57:27 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 25, 2020 10:29:37 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!!
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 10:36:31 GMT 1
Tweet from Lord Falconer - ex Lord Chancellor.
'Williamson says Cummings has satisfied the PM he hasn’t broken the law, and that’s the end of the matter. A word with the PM and the law can be ignored. Will anybody in the government stand up for the law? The AG? The Lord Chancellor? The Cabinet Secretary? Anybody?'
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Post by Pilch on May 25, 2020 10:38:20 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!! welcome back stutty, I think one or two thought you were corona'd and sent me looking for you
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Post by Pilch on May 25, 2020 10:42:35 GMT 1
I heard he also went fishing on the tyne with Gazza , there is photo evidence but its a bit foggy
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 25, 2020 10:49:27 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!! welcome back stutty, I think one or two thought you were corona'd and sent me looking for you Thanks Pilch. I'm OK, we're all OK. Touch wood anyhow. Things very much getting back to normal now here in Germany. No Kickers though. And with the lack of football just haven't felt inclined to visit and contribute. Hope everyone at B&A is fit and well anyhow.
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 10:51:24 GMT 1
I heard he also went fishing on the tyne with Gazza , there is photo evidence but its a bit foggy I remember watching Lindisfarne, of 'Fog on the Tyne' fame, at the old theatre at Ashton, near Manchester. There was a pub over the road, and all the group were in there for some time before the concert even started, sinking pints and signing autographs.
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Post by davycrockett on May 25, 2020 11:05:34 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!! Welcome back typical Tory defences when up against the wall to call out labour. Happened all the way through Brexit Dont think anyone has tried to defend any politician on political grounds in fact don’t think anyone cares if other MPs are sacked or reprimanded. Your in a very small minority trying to defend the undefendabel. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that your out of touch after your self imposed ‘isolation’ B & A ( your we’re missed and enquiries made to make sure you were ok) His wife had the virus so on that point alone they should of all been self isolating. He’d been in Close contact with Boris so should have been self isolating on that point alone. He didn’t have the virus at the time he travelled so could look after his own son. Plenty of support from local authorities and NHS volunteers so no safeguarding issues. His wife’s Brother lives in London. I’d be very surprised if as working busy people they didn’t have a nanny prior to lockdown but thats a guess. Relatives could and should have travelled to care for his son (within lockdown rules) 68% think he’s done wrong so plenty of Tories including 17 MPs and rising. Could go on but there’s plenty of other views and quotes with only brown nosing MPs like our beloved DK backing him. Anyway As I say welcome back
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 11:15:23 GMT 1
Gosh, even though this is from an unnamed source, the cynic in me suggests it's not far off the mark.
'Inside Downing Street, they believed they could see off damage from the story by focusing on Cummings’s wish to protect his son in case both he and his wife were struck down by the disease. A source said: “They were saying, ‘The kid is the trump card".'
The Guardian.
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Post by ssshrew on May 25, 2020 11:18:07 GMT 1
Probably Trump isn’t the best word to use either.
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Post by Pilch on May 25, 2020 11:23:57 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!! Welcome back typical Tory defences when up against the wall to call out labour. Happened all the way through Brexit Dont think anyone has tried to defend any politician on political grounds in fact don’t think anyone cares if other MPs are sacked or reprimanded. Your in a very small minority trying to defend the undefendabel. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that your out of touch after your self imposed ‘isolation’ B & A ( your we’re missed and enquiries made to make sure you were ok) His wife had the virus so on that point alone they should of all been self isolating. He’d been in Close contact with Boris so should have been self isolating on that point alone. He didn’t have the virus at the time he travelled so could look after his own son. Plenty of support from local authorities and NHS volunteers so no safeguarding issues. His wife’s Brother lives in London. I’d be very surprised if as working busy people they didn’t have a nanny prior to lockdown but thats a guess. Relatives could and should have travelled to care for his son (within lockdown rules) 68% think he’s done wrong so plenty of Tories including 17 MPs and rising. Could go on but there’s plenty of other views and quotes with only brown nosing MPs like our beloved DK backing him. Anyway As I say welcome back but this is like the Brexit argument, the sensible ones have better things to do than keep shouting and wasting their time, the only ones shouting are those who are objecting, bit like a courtroom, you only ever hear the word 'objection' shouted, no one ever shouts 'yes I agree'
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Post by davycrockett on May 25, 2020 11:26:25 GMT 1
Welcome back typical Tory defences when up against the wall to call out labour. Happened all the way through Brexit Dont think anyone has tried to defend any politician on political grounds in fact don’t think anyone cares if other MPs are sacked or reprimanded. Your in a very small minority trying to defend the undefendabel. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that your out of touch after your self imposed ‘isolation’ B & A ( your we’re missed and enquiries made to make sure you were ok) His wife had the virus so on that point alone they should of all been self isolating. He’d been in Close contact with Boris so should have been self isolating on that point alone. He didn’t have the virus at the time he travelled so could look after his own son. Plenty of support from local authorities and NHS volunteers so no safeguarding issues. His wife’s Brother lives in London. I’d be very surprised if as working busy people they didn’t have a nanny prior to lockdown but thats a guess. Relatives could and should have travelled to care for his son (within lockdown rules) 68% think he’s done wrong so plenty of Tories including 17 MPs and rising. Could go on but there’s plenty of other views and quotes with only brown nosing MPs like our beloved DK backing him. Anyway As I say welcome back but this is like the Brexit argument, the sensible ones have better things to do than keep shouting and wasting their time, the only ones shouting are those who are objecting, bit like a courtroom, you only ever hear the word 'objection' shouted, no one ever shouts 'yes I agree' You might be right we’ll see soon enough
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 11:29:43 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 25, 2020 11:33:25 GMT 1
I see B&A is as lively as ever!! Hope everyone is well. Thought I'd pop over and see what the reaction to this would be. Once again we see the staggering hypocrisy from Labour and the left? Or did I miss all the posts and furore on here demanding Kinnock, Ali and other Labour MP's be sacked? Apologies if so. But that we have Starmer and others within Labour asking for Cummings to be sacked whilst Labour no action against Kinnock, Ali and Jones just shows this up for what it is, its political. And don't let anyone tell you otherwise. As for Cummings, if he made the one trip in order to make sure that his kid was cared for then I'll give him the benefit of doubt and I don't think he should be sacked. And I don't think any of those Labour MP's should be sacked either. However, if it is proved that he did make more than the one trip then he should be sacked for sure. That's how I see it anyhow. Bleibt gesund!! Up the Town!! Dont think anyone has tried to defend any politician on political grounds in fact don’t think anyone cares if other MPs are sacked or reprimanded. Not 100% I have that right but if so then sure, that's my point. No one seems to care that others have broken the lock down rules but they most certainly now care because it happens to be Cummings. I have all the time in the world for those who were demanding that Kinnock, Ali and Jones be sacked at the time of their indiscretions (not that I would agree with them). I have absolutely no time for those who didn't but who are now demanding Cummings be sacked. And that is what Labour appear to be doing and so its clear to me that this is political, nothing more. As to what he could of done, should have done. Sure, we can all speculate. But clearly he thought the best place to make sure that his kid would be cared for was up in Durham. Its a scary thought, trust me. It is something my wife and I have discussed since all this started. We are a long way from home with no immediate family nearby and if we were both to become ill, it scares you. And my kids are older than his.
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Post by The Shropshire Tenor on May 25, 2020 11:36:15 GMT 1
The Labour Party aren’t the ones making the rules and appearing daily in front of a Stay Home slogan, nor are their wives writing misleading accounts of their lockdown experiences in the national press.
As far as I recall there wasn’t any support for Kinnock on here, but he is irrelevant anyway.
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 11:42:01 GMT 1
Dont think anyone has tried to defend any politician on political grounds in fact don’t think anyone cares if other MPs are sacked or reprimanded. Not 100% I have that right but if so then sure, that's my point. No one seems to care that others have broken the lock down rules but they most certainly now care because it happens to be Cummings. I have all the time in the world for those who were demanding that Kinnock, Ali and Jones be sacked at the time of their indiscretions (not that I would agree with them). I have absolutely no time for those who didn't but who are now demanding Cummings be sacked. And that is what Labour appear to be doing and so its clear to me that this is political, nothing more. As to what he could of done, should have done. Sure, we can all speculate. But clearly he thought the best place to make sure that his kid would be cared for was up in Durham. Its a scary thought, trust me. It is something my wife and I have discussed since all this started. We are a long way from home with no immediate family nearby and if we were both to become ill, it scares you. And my kids are older than his. Cumming's brother in law lives nearby in London.
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 25, 2020 11:42:08 GMT 1
Gosh, even though this is from an unnamed source, the cynic in me suggests it's not far off the mark. 'Inside Downing Street, they believed they could see off damage from the story by focusing on Cummings’s wish to protect his son in case both he and his wife were struck down by the disease. A source said: “They were saying, ‘The kid is the trump card".' The Guardian. But isn't that obvious. Isn't that is the absolute crux of it. If there was no child then obviously they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. If they weren't looking to get somewhere where they could be sure their child would be cared for because they were soon to be ill then they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. If he has made more than one trip then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. I mean... Cummings’s wish to protect his son in case both he and his wife were struck down by the disease....is the story. They're isn't anything more to it is there?
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Post by zenfootball2 on May 25, 2020 11:44:09 GMT 1
welcome back stutty, I think one or two thought you were corona'd and sent me looking for you Thanks Pilch. I'm OK, we're all OK. Touch wood anyhow. Things very much getting back to normal now here in Germany. No Kickers though. And with the lack of football just haven't felt inclined to visit and contribute. Hope everyone at B&A is fit and well anyhow. glad to to see you back posting stuttgartershrew
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Post by stuttgartershrew on May 25, 2020 11:45:18 GMT 1
Not 100% I have that right but if so then sure, that's my point. No one seems to care that others have broken the lock down rules but they most certainly now care because it happens to be Cummings. I have all the time in the world for those who were demanding that Kinnock, Ali and Jones be sacked at the time of their indiscretions (not that I would agree with them). I have absolutely no time for those who didn't but who are now demanding Cummings be sacked. And that is what Labour appear to be doing and so its clear to me that this is political, nothing more. As to what he could of done, should have done. Sure, we can all speculate. But clearly he thought the best place to make sure that his kid would be cared for was up in Durham. Its a scary thought, trust me. It is something my wife and I have discussed since all this started. We are a long way from home with no immediate family nearby and if we were both to become ill, it scares you. And my kids are older than his. Cumming's brother in law lives nearby in London. Sure. But clearly he thought the best place for his kid was to be closer to his immediate family in Durham.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 11:50:16 GMT 1
The Labour Party aren’t the ones making the rules and appearing daily in front of a Stay Home slogan, nor are their wives writing misleading accounts of their lockdown experiences in the national press. As far as I recall there wasn’t any support for Kinnock on here, but he is irrelevant anyway. Indeed, except that I’m guessing he is Neil Kinnocks son, I’ve no idea who Stephen Kinnock is or what he does. If they’ve broken the rules, whoever they are, they should feel the full force of the law, as many hundreds have! The fact that cummings hides behind this utter bulls**t excuse treating us like idiots really rubs salt into the wounds. But then there’s always plenty of sycophantic brown nosing tory apologists on hand to put us right.
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Post by ssshrew on May 25, 2020 12:15:43 GMT 1
The Labour Party aren’t the ones making the rules and appearing daily in front of a Stay Home slogan, nor are their wives writing misleading accounts of their lockdown experiences in the national press. As far as I recall there wasn’t any support for Kinnock on here, but he is irrelevant anyway. Precisely it’s the sheer hypocrisy. Also had he come clean at the beginning it would have given others in similar situations and opportunity to make informed decisions as to what to do instead of automatically thinking they had no choice but to get on with it. it was a situation no one had thought of when introducing the lock down he could have chosen to do something about that,
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 12:20:58 GMT 1
Gavin Williamson on Sky News: “If he’s made it clear to the PM that he didn’t break the law, I absolutely believe that assurance. You wouldn’t expect someone to be not giving the absolute categorical truth to the Prime Minister." Says the man who got sacked by May for this - www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-48126974
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Post by Feedo Gnasher on May 25, 2020 12:33:52 GMT 1
Some people show more loyalty to the Tories than their football team. This party was elected by the public and are the most powerful politicians in the country, of course it’s worse than a random Labour MP breaking the rules. In the same way that a Labour MP breaking the rules is bigger news than a parish councillor breaking the rules.
About time the Tories some responsibility and their supporters looked at things objectively. Too much criticism of the party just gets met with ‘Labour are worse’ or ‘bitter remainer’. And it won’t get any better, another 4 years of this sham government of charlatans.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2020 12:37:33 GMT 1
Gosh, even though this is from an unnamed source, the cynic in me suggests it's not far off the mark. 'Inside Downing Street, they believed they could see off damage from the story by focusing on Cummings’s wish to protect his son in case both he and his wife were struck down by the disease. A source said: “They were saying, ‘The kid is the trump card".' The Guardian. But isn't that obvious. Isn't that is the absolute crux of it. If there was no child then obviously they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. If they weren't looking to get somewhere where they could be sure their child would be cared for because they were soon to be ill then they wouldn't have a leg to stand on. If he has made more than one trip then he hasn't got a leg to stand on. I mean... Cummings’s wish to protect his son in case both he and his wife were struck down by the disease....is the story. They're isn't anything more to it is there? Welcome back Stutty , glad to hear that you and your family are well . Always enjoyed reading your insightful posts , usually well balanced and fair minded . Until now , very disappointed with your response I must say . Johnson , by his complete lack of moral fibre has just given Carte Blanche to every clown and their family to totally ignore government guidelines and do what the **** they like . There are enough out there who don’t need much encouragement in the first place . Is it political , of course it is , does anyone really think it isn’t . If the shoe was on the other foot it would be the same . But whether it is or not isn’t the point surely you can see that . Cummings , if he had anything about him should have seen that this was going to hurt the government and resigned , no doubt . But he hadn’t got the back bone to do it because it’s always been about him and power . Johnson is , to my mind just his stooge , a clown to be taken advantage off . I cannot think of any current politician in the world who has allowed himself to be manipulated to such an extent . It truly is pitiful . Now , instead of concentrating on how to get this Country back on track socially and economically including working on Brexit , the focus of government has been taken over by this ballocks . What a time to choose don’t you agree . Anyway , my views and I am furious that this has happened , glad to see you back in good spirits although somewhat off track 😉
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Post by northwestman on May 25, 2020 12:44:22 GMT 1
Breaking news. Dominic Cummings is going to make a statement and answer questions this afternoon!
No time given.
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