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Post by northwestman on Jun 8, 2020 16:26:22 GMT 1
I don't particularly appreciate the abuse from Downie either.
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 8, 2020 17:32:12 GMT 1
I don't particularly appreciate the abuse from Downie either. I think there are more of us who appreciate what you do than not so I shouldn’t worry.
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Post by wakemanender on Jun 8, 2020 18:45:32 GMT 1
I think we are very lucky on this board to have someone of Northwestmans knowledge and wisdom. I am always amazed at the lengths he will go to in his investigations into anything and everything. The investigations he carried out into the affairs of Bury and Mr Dale are worthy of the title of Best ever postings on Blue and Amber. Long may he bore the pants off Downie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2020 22:32:42 GMT 1
Thought for the day. Having no particular political affiliation , means you never feel the need to defend the indefensible. Interesting. I suppose having an affiliation to a certain political ideology informs our voting intention. For example, I believe in PR, progressive ideas and Social Democracy, so I waste my vote on the Greens. I often ask people who complain about the Government did they vote, if they didn't my reply is tough.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 9, 2020 6:57:11 GMT 1
Thought for the day. Having no particular political affiliation , means you never feel the need to defend the indefensible. Interesting. I suppose having an affiliation to a certain political ideology informs our voting intention. For example, I believe in PR, progressive ideas and Social Democracy, so I waste my vote on the Greens. I often ask people who complain about the Government did they vote, if they didn't my reply is tough. I support the Green Party, but usually vote Labour. If PR ever comes to pass I will always vote Green and I would imagine a lot more people like me would too.
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Post by londonshrew75 on Jun 9, 2020 7:03:46 GMT 1
And there is the root if the problem. We are one of three countries in the world with are arkaik voting system. This has to change before we make any sort of progress as a nation.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 7:25:14 GMT 1
Thought for the day. Having no particular political affiliation , means you never feel the need to defend the indefensible. This is spot on. I voted for Conservative in 2019, because I agreed with their manifesto more than Labours. Voting for them because I wanted Corbyn and that version of the shadow cabinet nowhere near Downing Street doesn’t make me “A Tory”. It also Doesn’t stop me criticising the s**t show that has ensued this year from the government in a lot of aspects. Can you point out the bits of the Labour manifesto that you disagreed with?
Would it be the green energy bit?
The National Investment Bank bit?
Perhaps it was the bit about expanding bus routes and free travel for under 25s?
The doubling down on fox hunting was a vote winner for me, as was the ending of the badger cull. Perhaps you think they were bad policies.
Maybe it was extra funding for the NHS and Social Care?
Maybe it was pledging to reverse the 21,000 job cuts to the police?
Maybe it was pledging to undo the 12,000 job cuts and dozens of closed stations that the fire service has suffered?
Surely you couldn't be against taking on poverty and inequality.
I'm guessing that the building of more social housing isn't important to you, even though upwards of 40% of ex-council homes are now in the buy-to-let sector.
Maybe it was the thought of stopping MPs taking paid second jobs that put you off Labour.
My guess however is that it was all about Getting Brexit Done, which in effect was the Tory manifesto in 3 words.
In the last 3 years we have had three Conservative sound bites consisting of 3 words, first we had 'Strong and Stable', followed by 'Get Brexit Done' and now we're at 'Let's Move On'. The worst part is that they're all equally inane, but people are still taken in by them.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 7:36:38 GMT 1
I would suggest the current slogan is “blame someone else”?
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Post by ssshrew on Jun 10, 2020 10:16:20 GMT 1
Or even - blame anyone but me.
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Post by martinshrew on Jun 10, 2020 10:17:03 GMT 1
Thought for the day. Having no particular political affiliation , means you never feel the need to defend the indefensible. For example, I believe in PR, progressive ideas and Social Democracy, so I waste my vote on the Greens. That explains a lot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 10:59:53 GMT 1
For example, I believe in PR, progressive ideas and Social Democracy, so I waste my vote on the Greens. That explains a lot. Thank you for your considered contribution. Your posts really add value to the board.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 10, 2020 12:54:57 GMT 1
This is spot on. I voted for Conservative in 2019, because I agreed with their manifesto more than Labours. Voting for them because I wanted Corbyn and that version of the shadow cabinet nowhere near Downing Street doesn’t make me “A Tory”. It also Doesn’t stop me criticising the s**t show that has ensued this year from the government in a lot of aspects. Can you point out the bits of the Labour manifesto that you disagreed with?
Would it be the green energy bit?
The National Investment Bank bit?
Perhaps it was the bit about expanding bus routes and free travel for under 25s?
The doubling down on fox hunting was a vote winner for me, as was the ending of the badger cull. Perhaps you think they were bad policies.
Maybe it was extra funding for the NHS and Social Care?
Maybe it was pledging to reverse the 21,000 job cuts to the police?
Maybe it was pledging to undo the 12,000 job cuts and dozens of closed stations that the fire service has suffered?
Surely you couldn't be against taking on poverty and inequality.
I'm guessing that the building of more social housing isn't important to you, even though upwards of 40% of ex-council homes are now in the buy-to-let sector.
Maybe it was the thought of stopping MPs taking paid second jobs that put you off Labour.
My guess however is that it was all about Getting Brexit Done, which in effect was the Tory manifesto in 3 words.
In the last 3 years we have had three Conservative sound bites consisting of 3 words, first we had 'Strong and Stable', followed by 'Get Brexit Done' and now we're at 'Let's Move On'. The worst part is that they're all equally inane, but people are still taken in by them.
I didn’t agree with trashing a democratic vote in 2016 and having a re-run to get the result the establishment want. I don’t agree with Socialist economic policy I don’t agree with giving the far left wing Marxist mentality that we saw in Bristol a platform and foothold in this country. They are tainting the important BLM movement
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 13:04:55 GMT 1
Can you point out the bits of the Labour manifesto that you disagreed with?
Would it be the green energy bit?
The National Investment Bank bit?
Perhaps it was the bit about expanding bus routes and free travel for under 25s?
The doubling down on fox hunting was a vote winner for me, as was the ending of the badger cull. Perhaps you think they were bad policies.
Maybe it was extra funding for the NHS and Social Care?
Maybe it was pledging to reverse the 21,000 job cuts to the police?
Maybe it was pledging to undo the 12,000 job cuts and dozens of closed stations that the fire service has suffered?
Surely you couldn't be against taking on poverty and inequality.
I'm guessing that the building of more social housing isn't important to you, even though upwards of 40% of ex-council homes are now in the buy-to-let sector.
Maybe it was the thought of stopping MPs taking paid second jobs that put you off Labour.
My guess however is that it was all about Getting Brexit Done, which in effect was the Tory manifesto in 3 words.
In the last 3 years we have had three Conservative sound bites consisting of 3 words, first we had 'Strong and Stable', followed by 'Get Brexit Done' and now we're at 'Let's Move On'. The worst part is that they're all equally inane, but people are still taken in by them.
I didn’t agree with trashing a democratic vote in 2016 and having a re-run to get the result the establishment want. I don’t agree with Socialist economic policy I don’t agree with giving the far left wing Marxist mentality that we saw in Bristol a platform and foothold in this country. They are tainting the important BLM movement Which bits of socialist economic policy do you dislike the most?
Weekends?
Holiday pay?
Overtime pay?
Health and safety?
40 hour working week?
The NHS?
Fair taxation?
Equality?
Social housing?
Social care?
All of these things have been given to this country by socialists and unions. If you don't like them I suggest that you tell your boss that you want a pay cut, to work longer hours for no extra money, in an unsafe job, with no holidays and no weekends, while he gets a lower tax rate.
Might be best if you get some BUPA cover too, as you don't seem to want to use the NHS.
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Post by northwestman on Jun 10, 2020 15:19:33 GMT 1
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Post by stuttgartershrew on Jun 10, 2020 15:36:55 GMT 1
I guess this was inevitable (and it might well only be the start). Could well be an over reach on the part of those who wish to see certain statues removed and that will bring about a reaction to those who feel their heritage and culture are under threat. I mean, I don't think too many will be too concerned about certain statues being removed (although I think most won't want to see a repeat of what we saw in Bristol) but when it comes to Churchill and Nelson for example, that will cause some backlash. I think a lot of people are starting to get angry about what they saw at the protests (the graffiti on the cenotaph and someone trying to burn the flag, for example) and the feeling will be if the police aren't going to make any effort to stop it, someone else will need to. I just can not believe this year. We should be enjoying the Euros now, looking forward to the Olympics. Madness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 15:53:32 GMT 1
There is something strangely ironic about the far right protecting statues and memorials to people who fought to defeat their own ideology.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 10, 2020 16:11:38 GMT 1
I didn’t agree with trashing a democratic vote in 2016 and having a re-run to get the result the establishment want. I don’t agree with Socialist economic policy I don’t agree with giving the far left wing Marxist mentality that we saw in Bristol a platform and foothold in this country. They are tainting the important BLM movement Which bits of socialist economic policy do you dislike the most?
Weekends?
Holiday pay?
Overtime pay?
Health and safety?
40 hour working week?
The NHS?
Fair taxation?
Equality?
Social housing?
Social care?
All of these things have been given to this country by socialists and unions. If you don't like them I suggest that you tell your boss that you want a pay cut, to work longer hours for no extra money, in an unsafe job, with no holidays and no weekends, while he gets a lower tax rate.
Might be best if you get some BUPA cover too, as you don't seem to want to use the NHS.
My working life has been under either Coalition or Conservative governments and I can promise you I have been paid fairly, had fair holiday, overtime pay, and think we have a fair tax system, with this government doubling the Personal Allowance for those on lowest incomes. I’m perfectly happy aswell that this economic policy was driving record high employment, and record low unemployment until Coronavirus I’m also pleased the majority of this country agreed with me and said no to a radical socialist policy. I note you had no reply to the airbrushing of the 2016 referendum fact I stated Don’t understand your NHS point given I’ve paid every penny of tax I’ve ever been asked to pay. Very bizarre point indeed
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Post by blood red shrews on Jun 10, 2020 16:26:23 GMT 1
I think the point was those are things that you and we all are benefiting from that happened and were brought about by socialist ideals/concepts and unions etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 19:04:14 GMT 1
I think the point was those are things that you and we all are benefiting from that happened and were brought about by socialist ideals/concepts and unions etc. Indeed, but Social Democratic polices not socialist. People on the 'right' seem to get confused by the difference.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 19:21:33 GMT 1
I think the point was those are things that you and we all are benefiting from that happened and were brought about by socialist ideals/concepts and unions etc. Exactly, but Valerie is either too obtuse to realise or is trying (and failing) to be funny.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 20:00:05 GMT 1
Which bits of socialist economic policy do you dislike the most?
Weekends?
Holiday pay?
Overtime pay?
Health and safety?
40 hour working week?
The NHS?
Fair taxation?
Equality?
Social housing?
Social care?
All of these things have been given to this country by socialists and unions. If you don't like them I suggest that you tell your boss that you want a pay cut, to work longer hours for no extra money, in an unsafe job, with no holidays and no weekends, while he gets a lower tax rate.
Might be best if you get some BUPA cover too, as you don't seem to want to use the NHS.
My working life has been under either Coalition or Conservative governments and I can promise you I have been paid fairly, had fair holiday, overtime pay, and think we have a fair tax system, with this government doubling the Personal Allowance for those on lowest incomes. I’m perfectly happy aswell that this economic policy was driving record high employment, and record low unemployment until Coronavirus I’m also pleased the majority of this country agreed with me and said no to a radical socialist policy. I note you had no reply to the airbrushing of the 2016 referendum fact I stated Don’t understand your NHS point given I’ve paid every penny of tax I’ve ever been asked to pay. Very bizarre point indeed Record low unemployment at least partly due the fact that we are in the single market and customs union. Record high employment at least partly due to tens of thousands of Europeans taking jobs that British people turn their noses up at. The deeply flawed referendum was won by your side, I can't argue that. My argument is that your bae Fromage stated that a 52/48 split would be, and I quote "unfinished business". Therefore I will contest the decision until we get another referendum. Can you honestly say that if the vote had gone the other way that you would have accepted it? As for your working life being under the Tories. You lot have fought tooth and nail against every single one of the policies I listed and have tried to water them down at every opportunity. I joined the labour market in 1981, with 10% of the country on the dole and have seen manufacturing industry decimated in the last 40 years. Being part of the EU brought Japanese companies to Telford and provided me with my first permanent job. Moving on to your point about the NHS and the government doubling of the personal tax allowance. Yes, you do pay your share of taxes, presumably straight from your pay packet through PAYE. If you could pay £10,000 or £100,000 or £1million less by employing an accountant I imagine you would. Some individuals are legally doing this to the tune of £1.7billion a year. Illegally it's around £5.3billion. Over 5% of the annual running costs for the NHS are avoided or evaded every year that we actually know of and that doesn't include all those companies registered overseas to get out of paying UK taxes. Forgot about tax allowances. The minimum wage was supposed to be £9 per hour this year, but that level was reliant on the average wage going up enough to allow the minimum wage to be a percentage of that average. If the average hasn't hit the expected level, whose fault is that?
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Post by jamo on Jun 10, 2020 20:03:07 GMT 1
There is something strangely ironic about the far right protecting statues and memorials to people who fought to defeat their own ideology. I had the very same thought. It’s quite beautiful really, isn’t it 😊
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Post by jamo on Jun 10, 2020 20:12:51 GMT 1
My working life has been under either Coalition or Conservative governments and I can promise you I have been paid fairly, had fair holiday, overtime pay, and think we have a fair tax system, with this government doubling the Personal Allowance for those on lowest incomes. This is quite brilliant from B&A’s resident shouty man. Was it the Coalition or The Conservatives that gave you such wonderful working conditions ? Along with your weekends, sick pay maternity and paternity leave etc etc etc.... Or were such rights brought about by the co-ordinated organisation of those pesky Left-Wing, Stalinist Marxist, Leninist workers that you so often refer to but so equally obviously know naff all about. What a parody you are
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 10, 2020 20:19:19 GMT 1
My working life has been under either Coalition or Conservative governments and I can promise you I have been paid fairly, had fair holiday, overtime pay, and think we have a fair tax system, with this government doubling the Personal Allowance for those on lowest incomes. This is quite brilliant from B&A’s resident shouty man. Was it the Coalition or The Conservatives that gave you such wonderful working conditions ? Along with your weekends, sick pay maternity and paternity leave etc etc etc.... Or were such rights brought about by the co-ordinated organisation of those pesky Left-Wing, Stalinist Marxist, Leninist workers that you so often refer to but so equally obviously know naff all about. What a parody you are Someone’s still not over the realisation of 5 years of Boris and Priti 😂😂😂
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 20:24:42 GMT 1
This is quite brilliant from B&A’s resident shouty man. Was it the Coalition or The Conservatives that gave you such wonderful working conditions ? Along with your weekends, sick pay maternity and paternity leave etc etc etc.... Or were such rights brought about by the co-ordinated organisation of those pesky Left-Wing, Stalinist Marxist, Leninist workers that you so often refer to but so equally obviously know naff all about. What a parody you are Someone’s still not over the realisation of 5 years of Boris and Priti 😂😂😂 Why hasn't the lovely Ms Patel given any breifings recently? Is it because she can't be trusted to read numbers out loud or have they misplaced the box she has to stand on to deliver them?
Typically you avoid the point.
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Post by jamo on Jun 10, 2020 20:25:29 GMT 1
This is quite brilliant from B&A’s resident shouty man. Was it the Coalition or The Conservatives that gave you such wonderful working conditions ? Along with your weekends, sick pay maternity and paternity leave etc etc etc.... Or were such rights brought about by the co-ordinated organisation of those pesky Left-Wing, Stalinist Marxist, Leninist workers that you so often refer to but so equally obviously know naff all about. What a parody you are Someone’s still not over the realisation of 5 years of Boris and Priti 😂😂😂 On the contrary. I am enjoying every minute of Boris and Priti. Keep shouting.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 10, 2020 20:35:09 GMT 1
Someone’s still not over the realisation of 5 years of Boris and Priti 😂😂😂 Why hasn't the lovely Ms Patel given any breifings recently? Is it because she can't be trusted to read numbers out loud or have they misplaced the box she has to stand on to deliver them?
Typically you avoid the point.
I’m not the one here blinded by Party loyalty unlike the tribalism displayed by a few. There’s a hilarious irony that a poster who literally shouts anyone down who disagrees with his left wing views labelling another as a shouter. But you get used to being told you are wrong by devout lefties so it’s water off a ducks back. I have no allegiance to the Conservatives, think Cummings should’ve been sacked on the spot, and think Boris and Co have made a right royal **** up of the last 3 months. It’s not my fault most of the country thought Labour were unelectable 6 months ago though... I tell you who’s fault it is though, those who since 2015 have blindly sleepwalked Labour in to a humiliation in December... 👀 Anyway, thought Cummings was the purpose of this thread. One thing I’m sure even Jamo won’t disagree with me on but nothing would surprise me 🤦🏻♂️
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2020 20:42:08 GMT 1
There is something strangely ironic about the far right protecting statues and memorials to people who fought to defeat their own ideology. Agreed, seeing a fat skinhead with a swastika tattoo wearing a union jack or Winston Churchill t-shirt is quite entertaining Personally I would also say its a strange old world when people are labelled as racists, nazis, fascists far right or even anti BLM because they are against war monuments being vandalised by 'protesters'.
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Post by neilsalop on Jun 10, 2020 21:24:20 GMT 1
Why hasn't the lovely Ms Patel given any breifings recently? Is it because she can't be trusted to read numbers out loud or have they misplaced the box she has to stand on to deliver them?
Typically you avoid the point.
I’m not the one here blinded by Party loyalty unlike the tribalism displayed by a few. There’s a hilarious irony that a poster who literally shouts anyone down who disagrees with his left wing views labelling another as a shouter. But you get used to being told you are wrong by devout lefties so it’s water off a ducks back. I have no allegiance to the Conservatives, think Cummings should’ve been sacked on the spot, and think Boris and Co have made a right royal **** up of the last 3 months. It’s not my fault most of the country thought Labour were unelectable 6 months ago though... I tell you who’s fault it is though, those who since 2015 have blindly sleepwalked Labour in to a humiliation in December... 👀 Anyway, thought Cummings was the purpose of this thread. One thing I’m sure even Jamo won’t disagree with me on but nothing would surprise me 🤦🏻♂️ Not blinded by party loyalty? Maybe because the Tories aren't right wing enough for you.
I've been having a little dig through some of your previous posts and come up with a few of your pearls of wisdom.
leftist “dimwits”,
Corbyn and his clueless cronies
b******s to them, and the Labour Party
Labour and Remoaners
Desperate Remain liars
losers March
You losers want a losers vote
Good to have Donald Trump here
Communists like McDonell
left wing socialist bullies
Corbyn’s a prickly old barsteward isn’t he
When labour inevitably crash the economy again
Labour are nothing but liars
I would hazard a guess that you think Tommy Robinson is a journalist and Nigel Farage would make a great Prime Minister.
* Please feel free to trawl through my historic posts. I dare say you could find some pearlers in amongst them.
Just for the record I am a Labour party member and a trade unionist, so I do have some loyalty to the party, but if we ever get rid of the archaic FPTP voting system I would more than likely vote Green.
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Post by Valerioch on Jun 10, 2020 21:30:10 GMT 1
I’m not the one here blinded by Party loyalty unlike the tribalism displayed by a few. There’s a hilarious irony that a poster who literally shouts anyone down who disagrees with his left wing views labelling another as a shouter. But you get used to being told you are wrong by devout lefties so it’s water off a ducks back. I have no allegiance to the Conservatives, think Cummings should’ve been sacked on the spot, and think Boris and Co have made a right royal **** up of the last 3 months. It’s not my fault most of the country thought Labour were unelectable 6 months ago though... I tell you who’s fault it is though, those who since 2015 have blindly sleepwalked Labour in to a humiliation in December... 👀 Anyway, thought Cummings was the purpose of this thread. One thing I’m sure even Jamo won’t disagree with me on but nothing would surprise me 🤦🏻♂️ Not blinded by party loyalty? Maybe because the Tories aren't right wing enough for you.
I've been having a little dig through some of your previous posts and come up with a few of your pearls of wisdom.
leftist “dimwits”,
Corbyn and his clueless cronies
b******s to them, and the Labour Party
Labour and Remoaners
Desperate Remain liars
losers March
You losers want a losers vote
Good to have Donald Trump here
Communists like McDonell
left wing socialist bullies
Corbyn’s a prickly old barsteward isn’t he
When labour inevitably crash the economy again
Labour are nothing but liars
I would hazard a guess that you think Tommy Robinson is a journalist and Nigel Farage would make a great Prime Minister.
* Please feel free to trawl through my historic posts. I dare say you could find some pearlers in amongst them.
Just for the record I am a Labour party member and a trade unionist, so I do have some loyalty to the party, but if we ever get rid of the archaic FPTP voting system I would more than likely vote Green.
Tommy Robinson dear me 🤦🏻♂️ Low and massively inaccurate blow I could conceivably vote for labour, but not in its guise the past 5 years and not whilst it’s party membership continues to be full of bullies I stand by those about Remoaners, McDonell and Corbyn. We don’t all have to agree with your opinion you know
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