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Post by Feedo Gnasher on Mar 28, 2020 20:34:26 GMT 1
All we can do now is delay the impact as much as possible until greater testing, more PPE and capacity, and then a cure will allow us to handle it differently.
Therefore keep social distancing, keep washing your hands, and keep your conscience clear.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2020 20:34:58 GMT 1
There are apparently thousands of Brits stuck in countries all over the world desperate to be repatriated. When that happens I trust that they will be tested and isolated . If not it’s irresponsible to just let them return to their homes even though we are all in lockdown . I say this because I have read that a flight from America landed and passengers we’re allowed to go through customs and then depart without any testing whatsoever , appalling in my opinion. I've just returned home to the UK from a holiday in Thailand. There was no testing on arriving at Manchester. does anyone know of any country were new arrivals are not tested and put into either self isolation or quarantined
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 28, 2020 21:49:31 GMT 1
Where are all the Tory members of this board that defended them in the past? Who voted them in even though they had overseen the cuts in the NHS? Or all the brexiteers who claimed that was most important that got done over anything else in the country which included public services?!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2020 22:16:26 GMT 1
from the mail
The Airlingus pasenger jets are not been currently used and the Irish goverment and northern ireland executive have arranged with the airline to ferry vital protective equipment to Ireland
"The captain of the Aer Lingus jet responding to the message said: 'We are happy to be able to do it.' The flight is the first of several which will bring in more than £200million worth of PPE equipment to last until the end of the year. Between now and Tuesday, ten flights will bring the equipment back to Dublin from where it will be transported across the 32 counties on the island of Ireland. Normally, the Irish government spends around £12m a year on PPE equipment."
the Ireland and the northrn ireland executive arranged it , why has the rest of the uk not done the same? British airways is virtually grounded if seven flights can stock the whole of ireland they have 80,000 nurses the uk has just over 300,000 28 flights to china and supply problem solved.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 28, 2020 23:34:56 GMT 1
bbc wales "Wales star Aaron Ramsey has donated £10,000 to the Cardiff and Vale Health charity. The charity has launched an appeal to raise money for local NHS workers to spend on vulnerable members of the community. Juventus midfielder Ramsey, 29, ensured they hit their £10,000 target thanks to one online donation. "We really appreciate all of your hard work," Ramsey wrote on the charity's JustGiving page.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 29, 2020 7:39:39 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?).
And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief.
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Post by martinshrew on Mar 29, 2020 9:03:02 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?). And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief. That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 9:13:51 GMT 1
Why oh why are we continuing to drag our feet on the number 1 priority - testing?
If we can test a representative sample of the population, then we'll have a much clearer idea as to how many are likely to have been infected, and can draw up future strategies accordingly.
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Post by armchairfan on Mar 29, 2020 9:15:37 GMT 1
from the mail The Airlingus pasenger jets are not been currently used and the Irish goverment and northern ireland executive have arranged with the airline to ferry vital protective equipment to Ireland "The captain of the Aer Lingus jet responding to the message said: 'We are happy to be able to do it.' The flight is the first of several which will bring in more than £200million worth of PPE equipment to last until the end of the year. Between now and Tuesday, ten flights will bring the equipment back to Dublin from where it will be transported across the 32 counties on the island of Ireland. Normally, the Irish government spends around £12m a year on PPE equipment." the Ireland and the northrn ireland executive arranged it , why has the rest of the uk not done the same? British airways is virtually grounded if seven flights can stock the whole of ireland they have 80,000 nurses the uk has just over 300,000 28 flights to china and supply problem solved.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 29, 2020 9:24:26 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?). And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief. That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth. What did I say that isn't true then? And why would I not the accept the election result when it doesn't affect me (I don't even live in the UK), I didn't like Corbyn and I am not even particularly a Labour supporter. I am not bitter about anything, I just look at the approval with incredulity. And yeah, obviously even some labour supporters think they are handling it well, hence the 70%. 57% also think the government have acted too slowly. So the 70% approval is strange.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 9:31:47 GMT 1
Tory MPs cheering the defeat of a pay rise for nurses.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 29, 2020 9:42:41 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?). And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief. That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth. Not competent though. Where's all the protective equipment for NHS staff of for front line workers? Why do we not have more respirators yet turned down the chance to get more in with the EU?
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Post by darkshrew on Mar 29, 2020 9:59:40 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?). And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief. That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth. I think that you are onto a loser there martinshrew - Cummings and his "herd immunity" / "so what if a few pensioners die" positioning which delayed action and putting Brexit ahead of lives with the EU ventilator debacle are plain to see for all but the most obtuse. Boris made some bad choices at the start; but then stopped listening to Cummings. Let's all hope that he will be lauded for great actions from now on - it is not a time for party politics.
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Post by shrewinjapan on Mar 29, 2020 10:05:21 GMT 1
That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth. Not competent though. Where's all the protective equipment for NHS staff of for front line workers? Why do we not have more respirators yet turned down the chance to get more in with the EU? Polling seems to give some strangely incompatible results. Just seen another poll in which only 36% of respondents trust Boris on Covid19
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2020 11:28:33 GMT 1
Tory MPs cheering the defeat of a pay rise for nurses. whilst giving themselves a series of above inflation pay rises
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 11:34:19 GMT 1
The UK government has been reactive rather than proactive despite having advanced warning & the example of the experiences in China, Italy and Spain. They gave mixed messages and set bad examples. And have compounded their years of running down the NHS by their failure to provide the necessary protective equipment, testing kits and ventilators (wtf was that pathetic dog ate my email excuse for not joining the EU procurement scheme!?). And yet I read that the now infected Mr I-shook-everyones-hands Johnson has a 70+% approval rating!!?? Beggars belief. That's just a bitter response from somebody who hasn't accepted the election result. The government has responded admirably in this crisis. Plenty of Labour friends have admitted this, even if it's through gritted teeth. Christ Martinshrew this isn’t about scoring cheap political points or putting the boot into Johnson. Everyone on here knows where I stand , staunchly Labour and vehemently opposed to Tory austerity measures . I am furious that due to Tory policies our NHS is seriously underfunded and now , and the Government have had more than enough warning and time to sort this out , our front line workers are expected to put themselves and their families at risk because of the lack of ppe. The risk of others in the wider community also increases , it’s got to hasn’t it. Those unfortunate to be in hospital from the effects of the virus may suffer and die because of the lack of ventilation machines . Care workers in residential / nursing and community facilities , those very people who look after our mums and dads, bros and sisters , are struggling to cope . They too haven’t got the proper equipment and are working in the wider community, at risk to themselves , the people they look after and everyone else . Why haven’t all our brilliant carers , NHS, Council or private agency workers able to access a reliable testing regime . You know , the one that says test, test and test again . This isn’t about scaremongering or about a difference in political ideologies , it’s about facing up to the bare facts and shouting out . Johnson doesn’t like facts , I’m sure Labour or any other party leader when faced with undeniable facts would squirm under the spotlight of incompetence . Of course it’s not all about Johnson , he inherited from May and Hunt and others a mess . But this is about collective responsibility no doudt. In this Country’s hour of great need we have been let down badly. If you want to see this as something else go ahead , but let me make this clear to you and others on this board of a similar opinion , this is not about scoring cheap political points . I’m scared , I’m angry and I’m frustrated that my Country has been let down badly by political decisions which happen to have been made by a Tory government. I truly pray that all keep well and keep safe through all this.
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Post by salop27 on Mar 29, 2020 11:57:42 GMT 1
Tory MPs cheering the defeat of a pay rise for nurses. whilst giving themselves a series of above inflation pay rises Come on, you know they weren't cheering for that reason🙄
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2020 12:27:06 GMT 1
whilst giving themselves a series of above inflation pay rises Come on, you know they weren't cheering for that reason🙄 Go on then...
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 12:44:04 GMT 1
It would seem that some do not want to encourage talk of how The Tories spent a decade seriously under funding the NHS and blocking a pay rise for its workers, how they have almost certainly increased the likely death toll by their complacent 'do nothing' mentality, based on the now discredited 'herd immunity' policy in the crucial early weeks, or ask questions about lack of PPE for NHS workers, lack of Covid-19 tests, lack of ventilators etc, because all of that is 'politicising the crisis'.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 13:19:24 GMT 1
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2020 14:20:58 GMT 1
Some terrible errors by the government:
They got it themselves due to their carry on regardless attitude. little notice of what happened in China and went for herd immunity instead of a more cautious approach. Something that is missing that would help needs money to rectify-pay up. Let Brexit dogma dictate their action. Issued the advice, backed it up with new laws, then had to issue stricter advice to suit how some Chief Constables decided to interpret the law.
I want them to succeed, I want Boris to come out of this a wiser leader. I don't want to have an inquest now, but I do want them to learn.
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Post by northwestman on Mar 29, 2020 14:36:16 GMT 1
A good example of a complete non-answer by Gove.
Asked why there was still no fixed date for the roll out of mass testing , he said only that the government was setting the NHS Nightingale field hospital to free up the capacity of the equivalent of 50 hospitals.
It was put to Gove that Germany was carrying out half a million tests a week while NHS workers in the UK still did not know when they would get a test.
He said: “It’s certainly the case that the Germans have had success in testing. The acceleration here in the UK is significant. If one looks at, and this is not the way to look at it, but if one looks at a league table then the UK is rising up it.
“We’ve managed to test significantly more of our citizens as a percentage than some other countries but frankly the most important thing is not to look backwards but to look forwards and to do everything that we can to increase the number of tests.”
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2020 14:46:47 GMT 1
Thank goodness Gove is not the Prime Minister. It could have happened, a lucky escape. And also, thank goodness Jeremy Hunt is not still in charge of health, the juries out on Hancock.
Raab and Patel seem to have joined Rees-Mogg and been put out to grass.
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2020 14:48:22 GMT 1
ireland and the northern irealand executive managed to get a year supply of personel equipment from china .
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 29, 2020 14:49:17 GMT 1
A good example of a complete non-answer by Gove. Asked why there was still no fixed date for the roll out of mass testing , he said only that the government was setting the NHS Nightingale field hospital to free up the capacity of the equivalent of 50 hospitals. It was put to Gove that Germany was carrying out half a million tests a week while NHS workers in the UK still did not know when they would get a test. He said: “It’s certainly the case that the Germans have had success in testing. The acceleration here in the UK is significant. If one looks at, and this is not the way to look at it, but if one looks at a league table then the UK is rising up it. “We’ve managed to test significantly more of our citizens as a percentage than some other countries but frankly the most important thing is not to look backwards but to look forwards and to do everything that we can to increase the number of tests.” yet the US bought half a million testing kits from italy a few days ago, a snail on steroids is moving faster than our goverment.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 29, 2020 16:23:16 GMT 1
Thank goodness Gove is not the Prime Minister. It could have happened, a lucky escape. And also, thank goodness Jeremy Hunt is not still in charge of health, the juries out on Hancock. Raab and Patel seem to have joined Rees-Mogg and been put out to grass. How is the jury out on Hancock?
He's been health secretary for over 18 months, including ever since COVID-19 started. How is it his workers - NHS staff - still don't have the right equipment in place to protect them best for this??
Why is it he has been on question time twice in the last month and both times said this equipment would be arriving and distributed very soon, and yet it still hasn't happened?
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Post by staffordshrew on Mar 29, 2020 16:33:37 GMT 1
Thank goodness Gove is not the Prime Minister. It could have happened, a lucky escape. And also, thank goodness Jeremy Hunt is not still in charge of health, the juries out on Hancock. Raab and Patel seem to have joined Rees-Mogg and been put out to grass. How is the jury out on Hancock? He's been health secretary for over 18 months, including ever since COVID-19 started. How is it his workers - NHS staff - still don't have the right equipment in place to protect them best for this?? Why is it he has been on question time twice in the last month and both times said this equipment would be arriving and distributed very soon, and yet it still hasn't happened?
But what do you do? They haven't got anyone better as far as I know. Invite Andy Burnham in, in a sort of coalition? Those that might do it better might have more sense than to grasp the poison chalice.
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 29, 2020 22:39:23 GMT 1
How is the jury out on Hancock? He's been health secretary for over 18 months, including ever since COVID-19 started. How is it his workers - NHS staff - still don't have the right equipment in place to protect them best for this?? Why is it he has been on question time twice in the last month and both times said this equipment would be arriving and distributed very soon, and yet it still hasn't happened?
But what do you do? They haven't got anyone better as far as I know. Invite Andy Burnham in, in a sort of coalition? Those that might do it better might have more sense than to grasp the poison chalice. I can see they won't replace him, but I just don't see how he has done a good job and should be seen as anything other than a failure
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Post by stfcfan87 on Mar 30, 2020 22:44:18 GMT 1
Fairly damning!
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Post by zenfootball2 on Mar 30, 2020 23:33:14 GMT 1
many countries were slow to respond ; in the uk we had the 2017 report highlighting a pandemic scenario and how under resourced the nhs was. no suprise that it was ignored but even when it was very clear what was coming down the road the uk still did not order protective equipment or testing kits or ventilators.
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